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Old 08-21-19, 01:32 PM
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The upside of aging

Any mistake you could possibly make at work (and in many other contexts), you can just say "oh, man, I never did dumb stuff like that before I turned 40" and all is forgiven, plus everybody gets a chuckle.
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Old 08-21-19, 03:11 PM
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You let other people carry heavy stuff for you......like 90 pound bags of cement
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You can date women half your age.
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You can date women half your age.
Heck, I did that when I was 20...
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J.U.S.T. Kidding.
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Ha, he's calling 40 old...
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Old 08-21-19, 09:18 PM
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I don’t care what you have. I don’t care if I have more and you have less. I’m glad you’re car is fancier. You have a bigger house? Well good for you. I don’t care! Well I could go on and on and on but I bet you don’t care The beauty of living past 40 and in my case early 50s. Seattle Forrest is exact right.
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Old 08-22-19, 03:37 AM
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You can take a nap, in the middle of the afternoon, and it's OK.
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Don't forget the "over the hill" discounts that stores and restaurants try to push on people.

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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest View Post
Any mistake you could possibly make at work (and in many other contexts), you can just say "oh, man, I never did dumb stuff like that before I turned 40" and all is forgiven, plus everybody gets a chuckle.
Or they decide to replace you with someone younger and cheaper.
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Old 08-22-19, 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by jon c. View Post
Or they decide to replace you with someone younger and cheaper.
Some industries are having a hard time finding "younger and cheaper..."

Printed circuit design has long been considered a "graying industry," as few young folks seek to take on the long hours, crushing deadlines and tedious painstaking work that typically defines the industry. This is not an industry for folks with short attention spans or the need to "go out and play." The average age of designers tends to approach the 50's and few colleges offer training in the industry. At my particular location, of the dozens of designers, only 2 are below 40 years of age. This was also a similar situation at other locations I have worked. HR folks tend to be rather uneducated about the industry in general. Engineers will say... "we need a designer..." only to be stymied by HR departments that don't understand the requirements. I was hosted, not long ago, at a group lunch by a bunch of HR folks that wanted to understand exactly what a PCB designer did.

Everyone is talking about the graying of our industry and the lack of qualified applicants for jobs ranging from manufacturing personnel to engineers and even management. Who will take over when we retire? Who will run the PCB fabrication business in another five, 10, or 15 years? Are the millennials we keep hearing about going to pick up the slack or not? (You don’t want to hear that again, do you?) Way back in January you may recall the results of our 2017 industry hiring survey, where more than half of respondents planned to bring on new employees this year, and half of those were talking the first six months. It appeared that most of the hires would be for technical, operations and sales personnel, which we felt pointed to an expansion in the industry. But the greatest challenge by far that respondents pointed to was a shortage of skilled or qualified applicants. One thing we can learn from reading or watching news is that it’s not just our segment of manufacturing that has this problem. It is pretty much the entire manufacturing industry that is struggling to find people to work in their factories and engineers to keep them running
https://www.magazines007.com/pdf/PCB-May2017.pdf

There are some "pipelines" seeking to fill the roles of the aging and retiring largely self taught PCB designer... but such training opportunities are few and far between.
Moderated by Phil Marcoux, one of the first engineers to introduce SMT assembly to the US, the session sought to consider whether the “graying” of the industry was indeed occurring and, if so, the recruiting and management techniques needed to attract – and keep – millennials. Panelists included representatives from Silicon Valley area universities, junior colleges, high schools, and businesses. Contrary to popular wisdom, they reported extensive programs around the Bay Area focused on design engineering at all levels.
https://pcdandf.com/pcdesign/index.p...est-recap-1810

Folks like myself are being called back from retirement, or are being retained (usually with bonuses and liberal work hours) in an effort to fulfill the demands of the industry. Off shore designers are increasing in number, but some companies fear "industrial sabotage" should their designs "leave the house."

Honestly, any young person wanting a rewarding, well paying career, albeit with a tendency for steady stress, mind numbing process control, and "vampire" working conditions (dark offices with glowing computer screens as the only light) should consider ECAD design... either in Printed Circuit Boards (also known as Printed Wire Boards) or IC design.

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Old 08-22-19, 09:13 AM
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You can take a nap, in the middle of the afternoon, and it's OK.
I had a boss once who would put a meeting on her calendar so people would think she was doing something, and then crawl under her desk and nap. Helps that's she was like 5'2".
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Originally Posted by jon c. View Post
Or they decide to replace you with someone younger and cheaper.
Point well taken. . Don't push it.
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Old 08-22-19, 11:24 AM
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I had a boss once who would put a meeting on her calendar so people would think she was doing something, and then crawl under her desk and nap. Helps that's she was like 5'2".
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Holy *****... speaking of getting older, in a graying industry... I just saw a guy three months from retirement getting special 1:1 instruction on a very complex design and using very advanced features of the design tools.

In three months, that "corporate knowedge" is leaving.

Talk about teaching an old dawg new tricks.

Now where is that "younger and cheaper?"
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Ha, he's calling 40 old...
What, who did? In my day, we listened to Radiohead, and wore button up shirts without buttoning them. When we wanted internet, we had to go to a coffee shop, damnit, and phones were for talking.
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Sometimes I'll say it to someone older than I am, like if I forget to ask for cash back at the grocery store. The most frightening thing I've ever heard in my life is when they say "it gets worse."

I was talking to a lady in her 90s, she couldn't reach something on a high shelf and obviously needed help, in the span of 5 minutes she asked me if I knew what "The Stepford Wives" was 3 times.
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Frankly I can't think of much good about aging. After years of nursing and being caregiver for three consecutive older family members until they died, I was looking forward to fewer responsibilities now that I'm too old to lift aging bodies anymore. Problem is, now I'm too old to lift my own body some days. I could barely get out of bed Wednesday, after feeling like super-grayhair on Tuesday's 43 mile club ride. I suppose the 103F heat might have been a factor.

But, dangit, the 80something year old guy in the group ride was faster and livelier than me later. If I gotta be old, I wanna be *that* kind of old. Also, I want his bikes. Guy has impeccable taste in bikes. Especially the one with full Campy and Delta brakes. I don't care if those brakes aren't functional, they look like works of art.

And I wouldn't want to be young again, unless I could also take along the life lessons of aging. But that never seems to work out in the many variations of fables along those lines.

I kinda miss middle age. That was pretty good. I was never gonna be a world class athlete anyway, so being in my prime wouldn't have been much benefit. But I enjoyed my jobs, was reasonably healthy. That 30-50 period wasn't bad, in retrospect. Just old enough to not be as stupid as I was when I was a kid.
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J.U.S.T. Kidding.
This isn't the post a lie thread
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You can take a nap, in the middle of the afternoon, and it's OK.
We used to do that at my first job out of college on Friday afternoons. It was glorious.
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i have been getting calls from jobs lately,
people seem to miss the half dead thing,
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Originally Posted by genec View Post
You can take a nap, in the middle of the afternoon, and it's OK.
And when you were a toddler you fought like crazy not to have to.
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