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Old 12-19-19, 12:05 AM
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Why do we have no base on the moon?

All the talk about going to Mars and we haven’t developed the moon? Let me tell you I have been to Mars several times and it is over rated just go to Sedona or Moab It makes more sense to establish a moon base first so we can really study that big ball of cheese before we try to land on Mars. That’s makes more sense to me unless there is something there already that told off to stay off the moon. I wouldn’t want humans infesting the moon if I was already there. If we landed there in 1969 and today in 2019 we have done nothing. So I’m trying to figure out what is real as far as space exploration or the made up stuff they want the public to believe. What do you guys think?

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Old 12-19-19, 12:48 AM
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Exploring sounds exciting. Adventurers explore.

Establishing a base sounds like work. Administrators establish bases. I mean, "establish", WTF is that anyway? Sounds like something you put on your resume when you were in the vicinity of other people doing work.
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Old 12-19-19, 03:35 AM
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Laws, yes! We need a base. And some fiddle too. M-O-O-N, that spells moonifest destiny.

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Perhaps the easist answer is the need to constantly supply resources to a moon base, which would make it vulnerable to launch failures.

Apparently research is being done to make a base self sustainable... water, of course being a critical component. Until recently, any "base on the moon" would have been little more than a risky extended camping trip.

Launch vehicles themselves are still in development... Boeing, SpaceX and NASA are all working to develop systems for both launch, and systems for longer term base station survivability. We just are not quite there yet, and the taxpayer doesn't like footing the bill, (uh, science, duh), so it takes time.

That's the straight answer Jimmy. It will happen... eventually.
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The moon landing was faked. Watch "Capricorn One" if you don't believe me.
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I'll tell you why there's no base on the moon. Space 1999.

That show probably turned off more adults from space exploration than any other. Don't believe me? Watch an episode.
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The moon landing was faked. Watch "Capricorn One" if you don't believe me.
There are no white Ford Broncos in space.

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Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
The moon landing was faked. Watch "Capricorn One" if you don't believe me.
I don't know about the moon landing, but the mars landing was definitely faked. That janitor from Boston may have been secretly wicked smaht, but no way in hell did they let him go to mars after he killed all those gub'mint agents. That's some bull**** right there.
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I'll tell you why there's no base on the moon. Space 1999.

That show probably turned off more adults from space exploration than any other. Don't believe me? Watch an episode.
Well, it was about a nuclear waste explosion that sent the Moon away from the earth. It was a bummer, but especially in the same way Buck Rogers In The 25th Century was, the writing sucked after the first season.
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Originally Posted by Hondo Gravel View Post
All the talk about going to Mars and we havenít developed the moon? Let me tell you I have been to Mars several times and it is over rated just go to Sedona or Moab It makes more sense to establish a moon base first so we can really study that big ball of cheese before we try to land on Mars. Thatís makes more sense to me unless there is something there already that told off to stay off the moon. I wouldnít want humans infesting the moon if I was already there. If we landed there in 1969 and today in 2019 we have done nothing. So Iím trying to figure out what is real as far as space exploration or the made up stuff they want the public to believe. What do you guys think?
Actually....the question isn't "why haven't we..." the question is "why would we?" We humans only do something for money. Chris Columbus didn't get a gigantic pile of money to get ships built to sail the oceans for fun and sport---his Lord wanted gold.

Similarly, why would we make a moon base? What is there that is worth the colossal effort and expense? A whole lot of dust and barren rock--not even air to breathe or drinkable water. Every pound lifted into Low Earth Orbit is on the order of $20,000USD. What is on the Moon or even Mars that is worth sums of money exceeding the entire value of entire countries and everything in them, on Earth? These are questions no one has come up with an answer to....and hence the lack of real effort making bases.
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There's no base of the moon because the acid there neutralized it. It's basic chemistry.
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Originally Posted by genec View Post
Perhaps the easist answer is the need to constantly supply resources to a moon base, which would make it vulnerable to launch failures.

Apparently research is being done to make a base self sustainable... water, of course being a critical component. Until recently, any "base on the moon" would have been little more than a risky extended camping trip.

Launch vehicles themselves are still in development... Boeing, SpaceX and NASA are all working to develop systems for both launch, and systems for longer term base station survivability. We just are not quite there yet, and the taxpayer doesn't like footing the bill, (uh, science, duh), so it takes time.

That's the straight answer Jimmy. It will happen... eventually.
For the past decade-plus, there has been speculation of adequate polar water sources. Conservation would be key. Once it is gone, it isn't coming back any time soon. Lunar rock is oxygen rich, but carbon/nitrogen/hydrogen poor.

A polar base could be designed to get adequate sun/shade/temperature without the long nights and scorching days. We have the technology for centrifugal gravity if desired.

It is my belief that a lunar station could be used as a stepping stone for deep spaced exploration.

One could build massive ships on the lunar surface, and use electromagnetic launching. A while ago I had thought about electromagnetic launching from the moon. I think one could get the fastest launch speeds with the least acceleration by drilling a core through the center of the moon, and launching from a tunnel 2,150 miles long... say a few seconds at 10G to 100G???

Satellites slung back to Earth could be done with a much shorter surface launch system.

Enormous lunar surface telescopes could make the Hubble and JWST obsolete overnight.

Resupplying the moon would be much easier than resupplying Mars.
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Dr Evil has a base there. And a laser.
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Originally Posted by CliffordK View Post
One could build massive ships on the lunar surface, and use electromagnetic launching. A while ago I had thought about electromagnetic launching from the moon. I think one could get the fastest launch speeds with the least acceleration by drilling a core through the center of the moon, and launching from a tunnel 2,150 miles long... say a few seconds at 10G to 100G???

Satellites slung back to Earth could be done with a much shorter surface launch system.

Enormous lunar surface telescopes could make the Hubble and JWST obsolete overnight.

Resupplying the moon would be much easier than resupplying Mars.
Those are all good ideas. If you haven't yet you should read the Heinlein novel The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, in which a moon colony launches (electromagnetically I believe) rocks at the earth in rebellion against their exploitation
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Dr Evil has a base there. And a laser.
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One could build massive ships on the lunar surface, and use electromagnetic launching. A while ago I had thought about electromagnetic launching from the moon. I think one could get the fastest launch speeds with the least acceleration by drilling a core through the center of the moon, and launching from a tunnel 2,150 miles long... say a few seconds at 10G to 100G???
A sci-fi reference to something I haven't read or seen?
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A sci-fi reference to something I haven't read or seen?
Nope, some calculations I had made a few years ago. I'll have to either dig them up, or try to recreate.

I had thought about trying to write some science fiction, and may still do it in the future, but I had hoped to design a Sci-Fi world that would use technology based on current physics. Centrifugal artificial G. No greater energy source than antimatter/matter anialation. At the moment anti-electrons, anti-hydrogen, and anti-helium have been made, but in theory one could make heavier elements.

Anyway, it is my belief that the moon has many benefits that would be great for early exploration, as well as a stepping stone to get deeper into space. Another star?

My goal was to see how fast one could launch with an external electromagnetic launch apparatus.

Cargo could presumably sustain some pretty strong G-Forces, but for humans, somewhere around 10G's will cause blackouts. Uncomfortable, but reasonably safe. Somewhere between 10G and 100G would be lethal for sustained acceleration.

At some point, we may be able to ship the species to distant planets using frozen embryos and an artificial womb, thus removing some of the limits of speed/time/food/etc. But, that would be moving humanity rather than individuals. Exporting artificial intelligence in our place?

Anyway, for the lunar launcher, the question I had asked... Say one made a surface rail launch circumferential around the moon. With low friction (magnetic?), one could do a slow rear acceleration, but one rapidly gets to a point where the centrifugal acceleration hits into that blackout/lethal range.

What I had discovered was that drilling the straight shaft, through the moon, one could arrive at higher overall velocity with lower acceleration on the load than doing the surface railway.

Although, I think velocity comes into the power equation, so the power consumption to do sustained 10G acceleration would be low at the beginning, but massive towards the end. Nonetheless, if one could build the apparatus, one could get a mighty fast magnetic launch.

One issue with anything done on the moon is that no matter what, any launch must pose absolutely ZERO danger to Earth. So, say one did the circumferential rail launch, would it ever approach a tangent of Earth? Could it be knocked a couple of degrees off course towards Earth?

The tunnel launcher out the dark side of the moon would have absolutely minimal impact to Earth. In fact, if we could lower the lunar orbit slightly, it might not be a bad thing (assuming one didn't destroy the moon in the process).

Over the course of a month, an appropriately constructed tunnel out the dark side of the moon would sweep the plane of the solar system, and I think the Galaxy.

Oops, maybe the 5 degree tilt of the lunar orbit to the solar system would cause problems, so perhaps the sweep would be a combination of the Earth and Moon's orbit. So annual launch windows?

And the galactic plane is off by about 60 degrees, so it might require multiple tunnels/launchers and complex slingshot maneuvers around Jupiter and Saturn.

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Originally Posted by RubeRad View Post
Those are all good ideas. If you haven't yet you should read the Heinlein novel The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, in which a moon colony launches (electromagnetically I believe) rocks at the earth in rebellion against their exploitation
Hmmm... it might be an interesting book. I may look it up.

I have thought of all the good stuff a lunar colony could provide Earth or humanity, but would there become a point where the moon would provide the Earth more than it would get back. For example, say the moon constructed and launched all the future Earth satellites... how would it be paid for?

Nonetheless cutting the umbilical cord is a harsh step.
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I say we send Musk to Antarctica for ten years and see what he comes up with. He can take whatever fits in a Starhopper.
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I say we send Musk to Antarctica for ten years and see what he comes up with. He can take whatever fits in a Starhopper.
Antarctica might be an interesting place to do lunar research. Cold winters, long nights, hot summers (relatively speaking), and long days.

Somewhere there is a monster truck down there, although I think it may have ended up in the bottom of the ocean.

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Because there is no moon. We've been over this before. The moon is a Chinese propaganda hoax.
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The only reason to go to the moon is nostalgia. We need to go to Titan.
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Conservation would be key.
Yeah but you've seen how we're doing with that on Earth ...
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