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Old 01-07-20, 01:23 AM
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Well, wireless headset/earbud users... things are about to get interesting. ..

Yeah, your expensive earbuds are about to go obsolete. Bluetooth has just revealed a better audio standard... that makes new wireless earbuds almost as good as wired sound... maybe better, in that there new features. (Of course, you'll still have to charge them)

The new Bluetooth standard will be known as LE Audio and one of the biggest improvements it will include will be a feature called Multi-Stream Audio. Bluetooth is currently limited to streaming audio to just a single device. That’s fine for portable speakers and headphones where both sides are connected with a wire, but for wireless earbuds, such as Apple’s AirPods, your smartphone can actually only connect to one side. That earbud then has to forward the audio stream onto the one in your other ear, which requires some clever software tricks to ensure everything remains in sync.

Multi-Stream Audio will solve that, as it will allow a single device, such as a smartphone, to stream flawlessly synced audio to multiple audio devices at the same time. The most obvious benefit is that it will be much easier to make wireless earbuds work more reliably, without any audio lag issues. But the feature promises to also benefit those who want to use their wireless headphones with multiple devices at the same time, such as a tablet, phone, and a laptop, streamlining the process of switching between each audio source without having to go through an annoying disconnect/reconnect process each time.
You can also choose different audio channels, and likely the fidelity will be higher.

You just have to BUY new headsets... welcome to the world of mandatory upgrades. Oh, what the hell, the batteries only last a few years anyway.

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What? I can't hear you, my wired earbuds work perfectly!
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Yeah, your expensive earbuds are about to go obsolete.
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You just have to BUY new headsets... welcome to the world of mandatory upgrades....
You seem to not understand what "obsolete" or "mandatory" means.
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Originally Posted by njkayaker View Post
You seem to not understand what "obsolete" or "mandatory" means.
You seem to not understand what "churn" in the consumer products industry means... still have any 3.5 inch "floppy disks" around?

Since wireless headset batteries die in about 2 years or so, old BT headsets will quickly go the way of those floppies.
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Man, I'm still waiting for the ANT+ Audio standard so I can stream the music stored in my heart rate monitor or powermeter to the speaker in my Garmin 520. What ever will I do?

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Originally Posted by njkayaker View Post
You seem to not understand what "obsolete" or "mandatory" means.
he seems to always be confused when writing about wireless headsets

“Since wireless headset batteries die in about 2 years or so, old BT headsets will quickly go the way of those floppies.”

.....he doesn’t even know I can replace my airpods under warranty if the time comes the battery fails.....$29 for replacement during the 2 year warranty period and $49 after for replacement and more important with excellent recycling too. The pair of AirPods i gave a work colleague when i got my now Airpod pro’s are still working well and have for over 3 years now with no need for anything….and she likes them!


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You seem to not understand what "churn" in the consumer products industry means... still have any 3.5 inch "floppy disks" around?
This is dumb.

Do you still find 3.5 inch disk useful? Do you really still want to be using the computers those were appropriate for?

You earned a living by the so-call "churn" you despise. Bizarre.

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Since wireless headset batteries die in about 2 years or so, old BT headsets will quickly go the way of those floppies.
That they have improved BT headsets has no bearing on this issue.

(I think headphone jacks should still be provided.)

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Originally Posted by clemsongirl View Post
he seems to always be confused when writing about wireless headsets
“Since wireless headset batteries die in about 2 years or so, old BT headsets will quickly go the way of those floppies.”
.....he doesn’t even know I can replace the batteries in my airpods when that time comes.....and so it goes

eta...and he doesn't understand a lot of what he writes
He was a cellphone engineer. The confusion and the general hatred of improved technology is odd.
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Originally Posted by njkayaker View Post
He was a cellphone engineer. The confusion and the general hatred of improved technology is odd.
Removing a feature, such as a headphone jack, and limiting users to low fidelity limited run time headsets is NOT a technical improvement. Welcome to the world of marketing. They got you... hook, line and sinker.

The ability to use wireless headsets has existed for a long time. The ability to use better quality wired headsets has been removed.

@clemsongirl... Apple can change the airpod batteries... you cannot.
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Originally Posted by genec View Post
Removing a feature, such as a headphone jack, and limiting users to low fidelity limited run time headsets is NOT a technical improvement. Welcome to the world of marketing. They got you... hook, line and sinker.

The ability to use wireless headsets has existed for a long time. The ability to use better quality wired headsets has been removed.
You missed where I said that headphone jacks should still be provided.

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... still have any 3.5 inch "floppy disks" around?
This is deranged.

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Yeah, your expensive earbuds are about to go obsolete.
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You just have to BUY new headsets... welcome to the world of mandatory upgrades....
This is dumb. Why would you say this nonsense?

Making improved BT headphones doesn't make existing BT headphones "obsolete" or require "mandatory upgrades".

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My BT earbuds are several years old. They still work. The music sounds good through them. I'll buy a new set when they stop working.
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Originally Posted by njkayaker View Post
He was a cellphone engineer. The confusion and the general hatred of improved technology is odd.
from the misinformation in his tech posts here i actually doubt that he was.

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“Apple can change the airpod batteries... you cannot.”

the point is my AirPods can have it's battery replaced until well past when i've gotten my moneys worth of use, enjoyment, convenience and the freedom from a corded phone. (eta...and probably longer than the cheap simple wired headsets you've written you use) By then i'll be happy to get another tech better wireless headset....like technology improvements give us!!

“They got you... hook, line and sinker.”

“Customers scrambled for those... like fish in a barrel.”

“now lost due to “style”

“and you just proved it. Thanks for playing”

Perhaps some of us just like the convenience of not having the phone or headset cords you seem to love so much and are much less market gullible than you seem to know about. For working with a PHONE I’ve had no problems or complaints in the years i’ve used wireless. If you can’t afford new technology then just be satisfied with less…if you can’t be satisfied then that’s on you. It’s not like there aren’t lots of cheap options that make sense to many people and work very well. For those who like new tech that makes them more productive in work, for especially the convenience of everyday use/abilities and for other positive reasons, why do they seem to also be a problem for you?

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Originally Posted by njkayaker View Post
You missed where I said that headphone jacks should still be provided.


This is deranged.


This is dumb. Why would you say this nonsense?

Making improved BT headphones doesn't make existing BT headphones "obsolete" or require "mandatory upgrades".
Yet. Give it a couple years.

and no, I missed "keep the headphone jacks" comment.
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Originally Posted by clemsongirl View Post
from the misinformation in his tech posts here i actually doubt that he was.

“Apple can change the airpod batteries... you cannot.”
the point is your obsolete theory is BOGUS!!
These days I design Satcom stuff... have not worked on cell phones in 4 years.

I guess these guys don't know what they are talking about...
As discovered by The Washington Post, Apple’s technicians and Geniuses aren’t all on the same page about the options for customers with consumed AirPods batteries. And there’s no replacing the batteries in the ones you have, Apple didn’t design the wireless earphones that way.

You may be presented with the option to replace them at the Genius Bar for $138 but that’s not much below the price of picking up new ones. However, Apple’s AirPods service and repair document notes that there is a “battery service” for $49 per AirPod.
Wow... too bad.

https://9to5mac.com/2019/10/08/airpo...vice-for-less/
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These days I design Satcom stuff... have not worked on cell phones in 4 years.
The cell phone industry (which you made money from) has been "churn" city for years. Why is it only BT headphones that bother you?

Originally Posted by genec View Post
Yet. Give it a couple years.
You aren't making a coherent argument.

Using 3.5 disks as an example of "churn" is especially nutty.

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Removing a feature, such as a headphone jack, and limiting users to low fidelity limited run time headsets is NOT a technical improvement. Welcome to the world of marketing.
Your original post wasn't addressing this.

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Originally Posted by njkayaker View Post
The cell phone industry (which you made money from) has been "churn" city for years. Why is it only BT headphones that bother you?


You aren't making a coherent argument.

Using 3.5 disks as an example of "churn" is especially nutty.
3.5 disks is an example of newer tech obsoleting older tech. Like the new BT standard WILL obsolete the old standard.
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BT headsets don't bother me... removing the other choice, the audio jack, bothers me... and according to your post, you too.

I am merely chuckling at all those very expensive earbuds going obsolete as users scramble for the "next better thing..." That IS churn.
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3.5 disks is an example of newer tech obsoleting older tech.
Sure, but so what? Is anybody doubting new tech obsoleting older tech?

Why 3.5 inch disk? Why not 5.25 inch ones?
You really should be talking about buggy whips.

You aren't making much sense.

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Like the new BT standard WILL obsolete the old standard.
BT seems to retain a lot of backward compatibility. So, the 3.5 disk example makes no sense.

It seems like you think the new standard shouldn't have been developed.

It's too much work trying to figure out what you are trying to say. That's assuming there's something there (evidence doesn't support that assumption).

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BT headsets don't bother me... removing the other choice, the audio jack, bothers me... and according to your post, you too
Your original post missed making that point.

BT is old and in every phone. Improving it doesn't seem like a bad thing.

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I am merely chuckling at all those very expensive earbuds going obsolete as users scramble for the "next better thing..." That IS churn.
Repeating this nonsense doesn't make it less dumb.

Who is "scrambling" anyway?

They aren't "going obsolete". They still work.

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Originally Posted by njkayaker View Post
Sure, but so what? Is anybody doubting new tech obsoleting older tech?

Why 3.5 inch disk? Why not 5.25 inch ones?
You really should be talking about buggy whips.

You aren't making much sense.
You choose your obsolete tech example, I'll choose mine.

I still want my audio jack as a choice. That tech was not obsolete... it was higher quality... and now lost due to "style," not "superiority." That "thin" argument went away with the latest bigger battery phones.

My many years (decades) in the cell phone industry showed me how gullible users are manipulated by marketing departments depending on churn for sales.

Features were often available in hardware, and simply not turned on until mid season releases... with new shiny colors of cases. Customers scrambled for those... like fish in a barrel. Accessories were made with different connectors... so customers would have to buy new ones.

It's a game. Lots of folks play it. Thanks for the stock options.
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You choose your obsolete tech example, I'll choose mine.
Mentioning 3.5 inch disk was pointless as far as anybody can tell.

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I still want my audio jack as a choice. That tech was not obsolete... it was higher quality... and now lost due to "style," not "superiority." That "thin" argument went away with the latest bigger battery phones.
No, it's not obsolete. But that has no bearing on whether BT should be improved. Your original post wasn't talking about headphone jacks. So, you aren't making your point.
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It's not obsolete TODAY.

Give it a couple years. .. as I mentioned...about then, time for batteries to fail. Then users go in and want batteries installed... at $49 dollars or whatever... BINGO... "oh, you want the newer tech..." or "oh we don't carry that any more, cause there is newer tech..."

Planned obsolescence and CHURN!

And no... my original post had NOTHING to do with headphone audio jacks... as those still work... where available... and don't require new batteries or a visit to a "genius bar." They just keep on working.
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It's not obsolete TODAY.

Give it a couple years. .. as I mentioned...about then, time for batteries to fail. Then users go in and want batteries installed... at $49 dollars or whatever... BINGO... "oh, you want the newer tech..." or "oh we don't carry that any more, cause there is newer tech..."

Planned obsolescence and CHURN!
You are making no sense.

Why would people want to replace dead BT headphones with the same headphones when they could get improved BT headphones?

And some people might choose to spend $50 to keep using still-fine headphones rather than spending $200 for new ones.

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BT headsets don't bother me..
Given your incoherent ranting here about BT headsets that don't bother you, I'd like to see what you say about something that does bother you.

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And no... my original post had NOTHING to do with headphone audio jacks... as those still work... where available... and don't require new batteries or a visit to a "genius bar." They just keep on working.
So, it was irrelevant to bring it up.

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Originally Posted by njkayaker View Post
You are making no sense.

Why would people want to replace dead BT headphones with the same headphones when they could get improved BT headphones?

And some people might choose to spend $50 to keep using still-fine headphones rather than spending $200 for new ones.


What??


So, it was irrelevant to bring it up.

Oh man... you went right for the planned obsolescence answer. See... as I said in the OP... all those existing expensive BT headsets just became obsolete... and you just proved it. Thanks for playing.

As far as the headset jack... I didn't mention it at all at first... I only responded to the "get off my lawn joke" with an "ancient technology" response.

Hey, who knows... maybe the NEXT new "upgrade" will offer the same fidelity as my "ancient technology."
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