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Old 02-13-20, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by kingston View Post
I find that a handful of mixed nuts can get me through afternoon if I get really hungry. About a quarter cup has just enough protein and the good kind of fat.
Oh man, I REALLY enjoy a good can of mixed nuts. My biggest issue there is I have a serious problem keeping that down to a handful. Those new lightly salted premium (no peanuts, no almonds) from Planters are like crack.
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Oh man, I REALLY enjoy a good can of mixed nuts. My biggest issue there is I have a serious problem keeping that down to a handful. Those new lightly salted premium (no peanuts, no almonds) from Planters are like crack.
I get the big jar of unsalted mixed nuts from costco and these ziplock bags from the hobby store in different sizes so I can measure stuff out in advance into single serving doses.
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This study, and others. It would take too long to scroll through his Facebook posts to find the other references.
Interesting, thanks. Probably won't work for snuggling up in front of the fireplace with a glass of chardonnay, but from the abstract I get the gist of what kind of analysis they're doing. Interesting to see the study is based on hundreds of thousands of subjects. I'm guessing this data is just piling up, and enabling studies like these .
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Old 02-13-20, 06:33 PM
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In my own journey over the last few years I would say that nothing works better than eat what you want and exercise like crazy.....however, in the lack of time and motivation to do so, I have been trying various methods over the last couple of years. We have done juicing/fresh food/smoothie, only whole foods, vegetarian, Keto, and now I am attempting the Soylent route. Of all of them the fresh smoothie/juicing thing actually worked the best in light of how we felt and weight loss. It is time consuming and expensive. Just prep and clean up alone made it the most lengthy of the methods. We still attempt to adhere to the whole foods aspect of that, trying not to eat processed foods much. The vegetarian thing lasted just over a month. We both felt dead from a couple of days in until the end. Back in Nov we went Keto for about six weeks, really would have to call it Keto light. My wife's ongoing issues with dietary health didn't agree with the plan. In spite of both of us losing over 10lbs over that period my wife's liver enzymes and cholesterol numbers went through the roof. Her doctor advised her to immediately stop, and to advise me to do the same. He calls is a risky and unhealthy diet "fad". He also noted (along with much reading) that the moment you stop to resume more healthy eating habits including carbs, that the weight typically all comes back in short order. It did for both of us. We did cut potatoes, rice, and bread as staples of our previous 'normal' diet plan.

A friend of mine lost an insane amount of weight over the last year using what he calls 'the water diet'. It is along the lines of a meal plan thing like Jenny C. No specific products to buy just counting calories, measuring servings....but the trick he said is that every time you get a hunger pang drink a 12oz glass of water. I am going to incorporate that last bit into my hangry time late afternoon and see if it helps.
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Interesting, thanks. Probably won't work for snuggling up in front of the fireplace with a glass of chardonnay, but from the abstract I get the gist of what kind of analysis they're doing. Interesting to see the study is based on hundreds of thousands of subjects. I'm guessing this data is just piling up, and enabling studies like these .
Over 60something years I've seen a few phases for diet and weight loss, with conventional wisdom changing every decade or so.

Turns out most of the "healthy, balanced diet" food pyramid stuff we were taught in the 1960s-'70s was mostly influenced by food industries to enhance profits.

Early research in to cholesterol and meds was flawed.

Some obese people who seemed to have unusual difficulty losing weight were sure they had some sort of metabolic disorder. Then pundits said, nah, you're just lazy and eat too much junk. Now it appears there are genetic factors that influence metabolism and diet. "Inuit peoples adapted to a high fat diet," says one recent trope. Well, nah... the Inuit who couldn't adapt died out. The rest passed on genetic material better suited to their limited diet.

But I still see posts on social media and pop culture "health" journals that indicate too many folks believe humans can "adapt" to dietary changes in a single generation. Doesn't work that way. Those who had the mutation that enabled them to survive didn't need to choose to adapt. It just happened.

Some folks really are gluten intolerant. Most who think they are, aren't.

There are genetic factors in alcohol tolerance and intolerance.

When folks who thrive on vegan and vegetarian say that anyone can do it because they did it, they may be congratulating themselves on inherited genetic traits.

Many folks complain about stubborn belly fat that persists long after diet and exercise succeeded with overall weight loss and fitness. That appears to be linked to cortisol, stress and factors that may be beyond our control if we plan to function in a high stress modern world with jobs and families.

Then there are the complications in how some people handle various sugars, the effects of insulin on interstitial intestinal fat vs subcutaneous fat.

I just eat whatever I like, in moderation, and exercise. I have about 3-5 lbs of persistent belly fat. Maybe it's stress related, but worrying about it won't help. Losing it would require disproportionate effort, compared with the changes I made to lose 50 lbs.
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Originally Posted by canklecat View Post
"Inuit peoples adapted to a high fat diet," says one recent trope. Well, nah... the Inuit who couldn't adapt died out. The rest passed on genetic material better suited to their limited diet.
That's what "peoples adapt" means. One people doesn't adapt, sure, he just dies. But enough of those individual adaptations makes for a peoples adaptation
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That's what "peoples adapt" means. One people doesn't adapt, sure, he just dies. But enough of those individual adaptations makes for a peoples adaptation
That's the point I try to get across to anyone who says that because a particular diet worked for them, anyone can "adapt" to the same diet, without regard to genetic differences that were the result of actual adaptation over many generations.
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Old 02-18-20, 10:12 AM
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I took the weekend (mostly) off. Resumed yesterday with the intention of going 100% for a few days and see where that left me. I broke down and ate some of the leftover lasagna from Friday....
On the plus side I have come not to mind the flavor at all. The convenience is incredible, and I feel good drinking it. Really have to stay on top of drinking water along with as its easy to become dehydrated.
I have yet to see any real changes in my weight. I am not gaining but am not losing, within normal fluctuations.
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Originally Posted by Juan Foote View Post
The convenience is incredible...
That's their main marketing pitch. I've never tried it, but I would not enjoy the convenience. If I were so busy that I had to resort to soylent, I would be angry that I was being cheated out of the joy of eating real food. Why not carry around granola bars? Or a carrot or a banana? What kind of life is so busy you can't pack a lunch?
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Old 02-18-20, 10:54 AM
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That's their main marketing pitch. I've never tried it, but I would not enjoy the convenience. If I were so busy that I had to resort to soylent, I would be angry that I was being cheated out of the joy of eating real food. Why not carry around granola bars? Or a carrot or a banana? What kind of life is so busy you can't pack a lunch?
Oh believe me...I LOVE to eat, too much. I am looking at this somewhat like a self imposed intervention. We have tried various diets, as mentioned, counting calories, and so forth. Nothing is as easy to control and quantify than this as far as specific calorie count targets with little to no forethought or planning aside from placing an order.
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OK I get that, kind of a 'this is why you can't have nice things'. Punishing yourself for lack of self control.
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^ The tub I bought comes down to about $3.50 a meal. I am not sure, when considering that there IS actually more than just soy and whey in there, that I would consider that ridiculous pricing. You could eat crap off a dollar menu somewhere, I guess. Buying whole foods at market and including the time/gas/etc. to go get and prep it certainly is not significantly cheaper, per person, in most cases.
I looked up the ingredients and it's just maltodextrin, soy protein isolate, sunflower oil, some fillers/sweeteners and a multi-vitamin which you can get for around $15/day for 5x400 calorie servings. I buy 50 lb. bags of maltodextrin and bulk whey protein that I mix up in single serving ~350 calorie bags to keep me fueled on brevets. Add in some oil and and a multi-vitamin, and I can get to 2,000 calories for about $3.50, so soylent is around 4 times more expensive than buying the ingredients separately and mixing it yourself. That seems like a lot to me, but convenience is definitely worth something, and you won't look like a drug dealer weighing out white powder into baggies in your kitchen. Maybe worth considering if you decide to go long-term with this diet.
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My typical daily lunch at work (from stock I keep in my filing cabinet and common room kitchen fridges/freezers) is:

* 1 high-end instant ramen pack (5-star rated by theRamenRater.com, bought from H-mart at typically on sale for $2.99-3.99 for a 4- or 5-pack, so max $1)
* a handful of frozen mixed veggies (1/4 of a 99c bag from Grocery Outlet, so 20c)
* maybe a hot dog or sasusage chopped up (recent 99c 5-packs, so 20c)
* a slice or 2 of processed american cheez, like the Koreans do (latest $9.99 for 100 slice pack, 20c)
* soft-boiled egg ($1.99/doz --> 17c ea)

And a large carrot cut into sticks, and dip, that's probably another 20c or so.

Deliciousness: Priceless.

So that's like $2.

$3.50 may not be a lot for a meal, especially a restaurant meal, but it's a lot for ingredients (as kingston notes, soylent ~ 4x soylent ingredients)
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OK I get that, kind of a 'this is why you can't have nice things'. Punishing yourself for lack of self control.
I don’t think much of a magical fad drink that tries to trick someone into thinking that if you use their drink you’ve done your good eating deed for the meal/day, instead of thinking that some of the good ones are just a possible last resort for a lack of food nutrients and that negative effect on you.

If someone is misinformed and doesn’t know there are a lot of differences in absorption and body use between consuming their vitamins and minerals through vegatables/fruits versus a fad drink then that’s on them…..or thinking that processed soy, especially genetically engineered soy, is as good for your health as a protein source from real food (even just a quick snack/meal) then that’s also not being informed. Now, if someone can point to a way of taking food to its base elements, recreating it with technology without losing important elements that give the substantial benefits to a body and keeps it as healthy as food does….. but then i prefer until proven healthy rather than healthy until proven bad.
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The human body is pretty flexible in terms of feedstock. Soylent is probably better (healthier, nutritious) than a lot of junk food out there that a lot of people would normally resort to for emergency meals (and probably worse than they claim). Their main pitch is, if you don't have time for food, drink soylent. So it is not primarily a nutrient replacement, it's a time replacement.
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but then it's branded itself as MEAL replacement products and used that way by many, as the op is attesting to....knowing more about nutrition than branding and marketing is important!!
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Would never eat something named soylent. Ever.
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but then it's branded itself as MEAL replacement products and used that way by many, as the op is attesting to....knowing more about nutrition than branding and marketing is important!!
Yes, you can get the meal you need, and it won't cost you any time at all. You're a busy, important person, so busy and important, your time is too valuable to waste on procuring and eating food. Appetite is a weakness you should purge from your body. Drink Soylent -- it has nutrients! And it will make you feel superior to the chump in the next cube who's wasting time and getting fat on his takeout from McDonald's
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Yes, you can get the meal you need, and it won't cost you any time at all. You're a busy, important person, so busy and important, your time is too valuable to waste on procuring and eating food. Appetite is a weakness you should purge from your body. Drink Soylent -- it has nutrients! And it will make you feel superior to the chump in the next cube who's wasting time and getting fat on his takeout from McDonald's

Lol, well my pompous and important ass is rather enjoying the experience and convenience. I do feel superior, but that didn't start after the Soylent.
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