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Old 02-05-20, 11:54 AM
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Tried Soylent?

I just purchased a jug of the dry powder to try, see how palatable it is. Considering utilizing it as a meal replacement one or two times a day to help limit caloric intake for a bit.
I always liked that Carnation breakfast powder stuff you mix in milk as a kid for walking out the door. Hopefully this will be at least similar.
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Yeah. Tried it after seeing the ads on Facebook, and mocking them for the silly name. I suggested they make a chocolate version called Soylent Brown. It's made of poople.

A short-dated bottle of the stuff was discounted to a fraction of the price at the grocery store so I tried it. Reminded me of that crappy, chalky powdered milk we got in a rural daycare that was run like Oliver Twist's orphanage.

And Soylent gave me gas. So it really is made of poople.

I'll stick with whey protein powders. Cheaper, better tasting, better texture.
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Originally Posted by canklecat View Post
Yeah. Tried it after seeing the ads on Facebook, and mocking them for the silly name. I suggested they make a chocolate version called Soylent Brown. It's made of poople.

A short-dated bottle of the stuff was discounted to a fraction of the price at the grocery store so I tried it. Reminded me of that crappy, chalky powdered milk we got in a rural daycare that was run like Oliver Twist's orphanage.

And Soylent gave me gas. So it really is made of poople.

I'll stick with whey protein powders. Cheaper, better tasting, better texture.
Lol

Yes, I have read that it can cause some various stomach upsets and or issues to folks.
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Originally Posted by canklecat View Post
Yeah. Tried it after seeing the ads on Facebook, and mocking them for the silly name.
yeah, good grief….why did they use that name??? I prefer food to be more of a pleasure and can make it as quick/simple/complicated, healthy and nutritious as i want…..and for whatever health/diet my wants and needs are. It doesn’t take much to educate oneself on the nutrition and health aspect of what you are eating and even do it with quick real food.

Soylent also doesn’t make any claims for weight loss. If someone isn’t eating nutritious food then Soylent is somewhat better but does have more calories than other types of drinks. Eating a healthy diet is not about a single meal or a single food that you choose to eat. Good nutrition comes from creating a comprehensive plan to provide your body with the energy it needs to function well. The best way to accomplish that is food education and real food.
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The biggest problem with alt-protein is the ridiculous prices. Beans and whey are cheap.There's no reason for this stuff to cost more than meat. And despite the high prices for most decent beef, pork and chicken are still pretty cheap relative to their nutritional value, especially compared with non-meat protein sources that lack essential amino acids unless fortified with the stuff that's missing.

On a whim a few months ago I tried a vegan burger off the food truck at a favorite brewpub. Usually the rotating food trucks there are pretty good and not always extravagantly priced. But this meatless burger was essentially a $7 scoop of refried beans on a bun.

I've tried many veggie burgers over the years, mostly bought for family or friends who were going through diet fads, so they'd feel welcome at cookouts. Not once did I ever find a fauxburger that had any reason to exist. Instead, I'd offer some traditional meatless meals with varied dishes and a full nutrition source. Plenty of those around from many cultures, and the stuff has good flavor and texture.
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^ The tub I bought comes down to about $3.50 a meal. I am not sure, when considering that there IS actually more than just soy and whey in there, that I would consider that ridiculous pricing. You could eat crap off a dollar menu somewhere, I guess. Buying whole foods at market and including the time/gas/etc. to go get and prep it certainly is not significantly cheaper, per person, in most cases.
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Originally Posted by canklecat View Post
And Soylent gave me gas. So it really is made of poople.
A good friend of mine told me the same thing. His family made him stop, they couldn't stand it.

I would never bother myself. I enjoy the taste of food.

I had never heard of using soylent for caloric intake; their marketing seems to aim it a people who just can't set aside time procure/prepare/consume real food.

I guess if somehow it was imposed on me that for lunch I was only allowed to eat soylent, that would indeed limit my caloric intake.
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In 2018 I was on a liquid diet for a few months. My thyroid was so swollen it was distorting and compressing my esophagus and trachea. Turned out to be cancer, but the thyroid has a nifty trick of calcifying and encapsulating the cancer so it doesn't metastasize as readily as some cancers. Surgery in late 2018 got it, no chemo. But for many months I couldn't swallow solid foods.

I got tired of soup, especially for breakfast, and tried many ready made nutrition drinks, including those made for older folks. They were expensive so I made my own from various ingredients.

I tried various whey and vegan protein powders. The vegan powders all had the flavor and texture of dirt. No matter what they called the flavor, it was always vanilla, chocolate or cookies and cream flavored dirt. And gave me gas.

So I switched to whey. Whey is cheap, a dairy industry byproduct that used to be discarded or used to feed livestock. There's no reason to spend much for whey protein powders. I get the cheapest I can find that contains all the stuff I'd add anyway, and has a good flavor and texture -- usually Six Star, which is often discounted about 25-33% at the beginning of every month at Walgreens. Some Six Star whey powders include BCAAs and creatine, so I don't need to buy those separately. When I did I bought from BulkSupplements through Amazon.

I added fresh bananas and other fruit, or just bought frozen packages of mixed fruit from the dollar store and blended 'em in the Shark blender. I could mix enough to last a full day or even two days.

I thought about getting some unflavored, unsweetened whey protein for when I got bored with sweet stuff, to mix with veggies or readymade cans of V-8 or similar stuff. I might have done that once, I don't recall. Mostly I had soup when I was tired of sweet stuff. Progresso soup is the best I've found for the money and readily available.

I also kept a huge crock pot of soup going full time for weeks, just adding stuff occasionally, changing the recipe a bit. It tenderized chunks of beef enough that I could swallow it easily.

I lost 10 lbs of mostly body fat that year and have kept it off. At 5'11" I wasn't overweight at 160, but I have small bones and was still technically overweight. I still hover around 150 now and don't really count calories or weigh myself often.

I can eat pretty much whatever I like, but my first meal of the day is still usually a blend of whey powder, cold coffee, maybe some banana or other fruit in the blender.
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I tried Soylent a couple of years ago, both the bottles and more economical powder. The powder had the consistency and taste of spackling paste but if you mixed it with Ovaltine it tasted better. The bottles were better and were good meal replacements when I was running late and had to rush out the door without eating. Neither fit my “lifestyle” so I stopped.


There are competitors that are supposed to be cheaper.
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I used soylent twice daily on weekdays, for about six months - breakfast and lunch. Sometimes I'd add coffee in the morning, but usually drank it straight up. I never noticed any issues with gas.

I found the taste tolerable. I'd give coworkers a taste from time to time. Some people hated it, others found it tolerable. Nobody ever described it as tasting good.

From time to time I consider going back to Soylent, at least for lunch. Compared to work cafeteria lunches, it's about the same price, quicker, and probably healthier.
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What kind of wine do you eat with that?
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The jug came in and have just tried my first official "meal replacement". I tried a small bit of it last night just to see what I thought. Flavor isn't bad, but I wouldn't go so far as to say it's good either. I feel like cereal milk is the way I would describe it as I have heard others do.
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Originally Posted by canklecat View Post
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So I switched to whey. Whey is cheap, a dairy industry byproduct that used to be discarded or used to feed livestock. There's no reason to spend much for whey protein powders. I get the cheapest I can find that contains all the stuff I'd add anyway, and has a good flavor and texture -- usually Six Star, which is often discounted about 25-33% at the beginning of every month at Walgreens. Some Six Star whey powders include BCAAs and creatine, so I don't need to buy those separately. When I did I bought from BulkSupplements through Amazon.
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When I worked for a consulting company one of our customers was a cheese manufacturer. They used to process the whey into a dry powder and bag it in 50lb bags to sell to nutrition supplement manufacturers (separate the solids out of the liquid, dry them, and bag it). . They were also looking at developing their own line of protein powders as the profit margins on that stuff were really high (way higher than cheese), which would almost make the cheese a byproduct(!!!) rather than the primary product. Not sure what happened to them as I left the consulting company before the cheese mftr made a decision on the protein powder.
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Day 4 in. I am doing breakfast and lunch "shakes" and eating dinner.

My stomach very quickly got over the upset that I had read about. In my own case a mostly non issue. The flavor of it isn't bad in such a way as to put me off drinking them. The biggest issue I am having is come around 3 in the afternoon I am HANGRY...I mean like beyond normal mode of "I could eat". It's crazy. I am working on finding the right mix and number of drinks in the day such that I don't reach that degree of munchies.
As of now I feel good, liking the idea behind it if I can figure out the amounts, but haven't lost any weight as of yet. It is of note to say that the makers of this don't call it a weight loss supplement or product.
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...The biggest issue I am having is come around 3 in the afternoon I am HANGRY...I mean like beyond normal mode of "I could eat". It's crazy. I am working on finding the right mix and number of drinks in the day such that I don't reach that degree of munchies...
The same thing can occur with some whey protein supplements, especially the isolates, due to insulin spikes that trigger a rush of energy, followed by depletion of glucose. Studies indicate the effect can be reduced with a balanced addition of amino acids and other supplements that more closely approximate the nutrients we'd get from meat.

But feeling constantly hungry is the downfall of many diets, particularly those that limit or omit meat and fats. Meat and fats are slow digesting fuel for the long haul. There's no substitute for meat and fats that works well for everyone. It's particularly difficult for folks who are obese and haven't shifted their metabolisms to using body fat as fuel.

Many folks never get past the hangry phase before sabotaging their diets with junk carbs. I've seen many obese "vegans" and vegetarians, including in my own family. I've had plenty of opportunities to see why their diets fail. They're so hungry the blood sugar roller coaster pushes them to compensate with junk carbs: candy, donuts, energy drinks, anything to temporarily curb the ravenous hunger pangs.

A longtime online friend and his wife struggled for years with obesity. They tried the vegetarian or vegan approach too. What finally worked for them over the long haul was a diet high in meats, fats from meat, dairy, olive oil, and virtually eliminating all carbs and sugars. He says his lab results are good. But he also admitted his genetic profile fit the pattern for people who can thrive on such a diet. He's also a genealogist and early adopter of genetic profiling to trace his diverse family. Not everyone fares as well on a keto type diet.
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what kind of genetic profile is that?
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I marvel at the diets people adopt. I've always eaten whatever is handy, including junk carbs, complex carbs, raw veggies, cooked veggies, meats from beef, poultry and occasionally spam. In general, I don't eat a meal heavy with meat before a ride, and I consume as little sugar as possible. My favorite food is camping food: beef jerky, ramen, grits, peanut butter and bread. I used to stand about 6ft tall, but no longer. I weigh about 160+ pounds.

The owner of the LBS tried to interest me in powdered food for my touring destination rides, but I haven't been able to make that transition.
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I've seen many obese "vegans" and vegetarians, including in my own family. I've had plenty of opportunities to see why their diets fail. They're so hungry the blood sugar roller coaster pushes them to compensate with junk carbs: candy, donuts, energy drinks, anything to temporarily curb the ravenous hunger pangs
As a vegetarian i have no problem nourishing my body to keep my energy and sugar levels balanced and staying healthy and strong while also eating good food.

If someone actually wants to learn about nutrition then a vegetarian, vegan or omnivore way of eating can be healthy, tasty and good for you. Perhaps too many follow unhealthy diets through habit, rather than through a conscious choice to eat unhealthily. I do see quick fad diets as only a way of not taking the time to understand what works for you in an ongoing positive and healthy way of eating and lifestyle
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what kind of genetic profile is that?
This study, and others. It would take too long to scroll through his Facebook posts to find the other references.
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The same thing can occur with some whey protein supplements, especially the isolates, due to insulin spikes that trigger a rush of energy, followed by depletion of glucose. Studies indicate the effect can be reduced with a balanced addition of amino acids and other supplements that more closely approximate the nutrients we'd get from meat.

But feeling constantly hungry is the downfall of many diets, particularly those that limit or omit meat and fats. Meat and fats are slow digesting fuel for the long haul. There's no substitute for meat and fats that works well for everyone. It's particularly difficult for folks who are obese and haven't shifted their metabolisms to using body fat as fuel.

Many folks never get past the hangry phase before sabotaging their diets with junk carbs. I've seen many obese "vegans" and vegetarians, including in my own family. I've had plenty of opportunities to see why their diets fail. They're so hungry the blood sugar roller coaster pushes them to compensate with junk carbs: candy, donuts, energy drinks, anything to temporarily curb the ravenous hunger pangs.

A longtime online friend and his wife struggled for years with obesity. They tried the vegetarian or vegan approach too. What finally worked for them over the long haul was a diet high in meats, fats from meat, dairy, olive oil, and virtually eliminating all carbs and sugars. He says his lab results are good. But he also admitted his genetic profile fit the pattern for people who can thrive on such a diet. He's also a genealogist and early adopter of genetic profiling to trace his diverse family. Not everyone fares as well on a keto type diet.
In my own journey over the last few years I would say that nothing works better than eat what you want and exercise like crazy.....however, in the lack of time and motivation to do so, I have been trying various methods over the last couple of years. We have done juicing/fresh food/smoothie, only whole foods, vegetarian, Keto, and now I am attempting the Soylent route. Of all of them the fresh smoothie/juicing thing actually worked the best in light of how we felt and weight loss. It is time consuming and expensive. Just prep and clean up alone made it the most lengthy of the methods. We still attempt to adhere to the whole foods aspect of that, trying not to eat processed foods much. The vegetarian thing lasted just over a month. We both felt dead from a couple of days in until the end. Back in Nov we went Keto for about six weeks, really would have to call it Keto light. My wife's ongoing issues with dietary health didn't agree with the plan. In spite of both of us losing over 10lbs over that period my wife's liver enzymes and cholesterol numbers went through the roof. Her doctor advised her to immediately stop, and to advise me to do the same. He calls is a risky and unhealthy diet "fad". He also noted (along with much reading) that the moment you stop to resume more healthy eating habits including carbs, that the weight typically all comes back in short order. It did for both of us. We did cut potatoes, rice, and bread as staples of our previous 'normal' diet plan.

A friend of mine lost an insane amount of weight over the last year using what he calls 'the water diet'. It is along the lines of a meal plan thing like Jenny C. No specific products to buy just counting calories, measuring servings....but the trick he said is that every time you get a hunger pang drink a 12oz glass of water. I am going to incorporate that last bit into my hangry time late afternoon and see if it helps.
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...The biggest issue I am having is come around 3 in the afternoon I am HANGRY...I mean like beyond normal mode of "I could eat". It's crazy. I am working on finding the right mix and number of drinks in the day such that I don't reach that degree of munchies.
I find that a handful of mixed nuts can get me through afternoon if I get really hungry. About a quarter cup has just enough protein and the good kind of fat.
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