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Old 03-15-20, 03:58 PM
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Sad times for Illinois

All bars, restaurants to close to dine-in customers in Illinois through March 30 due to virus. Tough going for workers living from paycheck to paycheck. No effect to us living near Iowa border though. We already go to Iowa for less than $2 gas.

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Old 03-15-20, 04:51 PM
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Salute to you Oldfellar77



Yup I need to clean the garage but not today. Let’s all stick together and help each other out. Everyone will be back!
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This will probably get kicked to P&R but the government needs to step in and help people out.
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Old 03-15-20, 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by bikemig View Post
This will probably get kicked to P&R but the government needs to step in and help people out.
My wife works in the film industry in NYC. All production stopped on Friday. 200 at her job alone. There are over 100,000 people who work the entertainment industry in this area, 5,000 ? on Broadway (50 shows X 100 crew/musicians/actors/ushers per show). And while these are not life and death industries, the disruption from so many being unemployed, plus the hundreds of thousands in L.A., is going to put a huge burden on the government as they pay out unemployment insurance, plus nobodies spending on goods.

Can you say “Economic Crisis”
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Originally Posted by Steve B. View Post
My wife works in the film industry in NYC. All production stopped on Friday. 200 at her job alone. There are over 100,000 people who work the entertainment industry in this area, 5,000 ? on Broadway (50 shows X 100 crew/musicians/actors/ushers per show). And while these are not life and death industries, the disruption from so many being unemployed, plus the hundreds of thousands in L.A., is going to put a huge burden on the government as they pay out unemployment insurance, plus nobodies spending on goods.

Can you say “Economic Crisis”
I agree. It's shameful that the government has taken this long to help people out.
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Old 03-15-20, 07:25 PM
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I have a lot of friends who work on tips that will be struggling to pay rent next month for sure, but I think it's for the best. A lot of people are failing to realize that if we take precautions now, the fallout will be lessened later.

I have no idea how this will affect my industry, but business is going as usual for the time being. I think we could go to a bare-bones crew of people that would hardly need to interact, but I don't think my bosses are willing. Hopefully my more vulnerable coworkers don't pay the price.
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Old 03-16-20, 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by FiftySix View Post
What do you propose? FEMA type payments? How long does it take for the average FEMA applicant to get money? Apply, get approved, money in bank?

It would seem the USA didn't take this virus threat seriously until maybe the first week of March 2020. Today is only March 16.
This isn't rocket science. We've done similar things during the Depression; plus during WWII, the gov't directed the economy so it would produce the things needed for the war.

We need a system of sick leave and we need money going to people who are being let go from work. Those are people who will spend money to pay for basic goods and services. The problem we are facing is a demand side shock and that is what the government has to kick start.
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Old 03-16-20, 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by bikemig View Post
This isn't rocket science. We've done similar things during the Depression; plus during WWII, the gov't directed the economy so it would produce the things needed for the war.

We need a system of sick leave and we need money going to people who are being let go from work. Those are people who will spend money to pay for basic goods and services. The problem we are facing is a demand side shock and that is what the government has to kick start.
Looks like the feds are working on it. I have yet to look into the details.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ve/5039259002/
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Originally Posted by FiftySix View Post
Looks like the feds are working on it. I have yet to look into the details.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ve/5039259002/
That article did not give details, either, but seemed to imply that paid sick leave could be offered for as long as necessary. If that's how it works out, this could be a chance to keep us out of a serious recession, or even depression. Lowering interest rates is not going to do much, as they were already effectively zero. But, reassuring regular slobs like me that our pay might continue uninterrupted might allow things to return to normal quicker after the quarantines pass.
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Old 03-16-20, 08:04 AM
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Some links current as of this morning.

https://www.consumerfinance.gov/abou...f-coronavirus/

https://www.irs.gov/coronavirus

Found here among others.
https://www.usa.gov/coronavirus
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Originally Posted by chewybrian View Post
That article did not give details, either, but seemed to imply that paid sick leave could be offered for as long as necessary. If that's how it works out, this could be a chance to keep us out of a serious recession, or even depression. Lowering interest rates is not going to do much, as they were already effectively zero. But, reassuring regular slobs like me that our pay might continue uninterrupted might allow things to return to normal quicker after the quarantines pass.
Yeah, I'm a regular blue collar worker with some savings built up. However, if anyone in my family needs a hospital stay over this coronavirus it will likely wipe me out as we haven't had health insurance since the fall of 2016. We make too much income to qualify for a federal subsidy with the ACA, yet we make too little income to pay the premiums and the $16K deductible. So, I set aside health care cash every month out of my salary and bump it more when I get commissions. And commissions were already down this year before this corona situation came along.

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Old 03-16-20, 08:13 AM
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Does unemployment compensation kick in for helathy employees if their employer closes for a couple of weeks? Is there a waiting period for UC?
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Originally Posted by Olefeller77 View Post

No effect to us living near Iowa border though. We already go to Iowa for less than $2 gas.

Spent two nights in Davenport while riding across the country in 1999. We took our host out to the Machine Shed or whatever it's called. I had a stuffed pork chop the size of a small asteroid.
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Hmmm. This would be a lot of money spread across the entire population.

One way to fight a coronavirus recession: $1000 for every American - https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-re...ec150b212.html

Furman proposes Congress pass a "one-time payment of $1,000 to every adult who is a U.S. citizen or a taxpaying U.S. resident, and $500 to every child who meets the same criteria."
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Originally Posted by bikemig View Post
I agree. It's shameful that the government has taken this long to help people out.
What is the Govt not doing that you would like to see them do?
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IL isn't the only one. NY, NJ, MA, CT, WA, MI, and OH.

https://www.axios.com/ohio-governor-...40220cc6f.html
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IL isn't the only one. NY, NJ, MA, CT, WA, MI, and OH.

https://www.axios.com/ohio-governor-...40220cc6f.html
If you can't go out to eat and you can't get food from a grocery store, I guess we'll be soon starving a virus whether we want to or not.

I saw a vulture plucking flesh from a dead squirrel at the end of my street this morning. Usually the hawks get all the squirrel and dove action around here, though. To be the hawk or to be the vulture . . .
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What is the Govt not doing that you would like to see them do?
The coronavirus response bill is a step in the right direction. Mnuchin has his act together and Pelosi is a skilled floor leader who can move legislation.

We need free testing for everyone and we need paid sick leave but I am concerned that there will be loopholes in this bill. We'll see what the final product looks like.

We need the government to step up and start creating emergency hospitals, ensure that the right protective equipment is being made, and provide testing. This can be a private/public partnership as well.

We will also need an emergency spending bill to deal with the demand side shock the economy is facing. This means finding ways to compensate individuals for loss of income since they will actually spend the money.

The government is keeping the capital markets solvent so that's good. Like I said, Mnuchin has his act together.

And very importantly the government needs to level with the American people. We can deal with anything as long as we get it straight. That has not been the case. Anthony Fauci is superb. He needs to be made the chief spokesman.
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If you can't go out to eat and you can't get food from a grocery store, I guess we'll be soon starving a virus whether we want to or not.

I saw a vulture plucking flesh from a dead squirrel at the end of my street this morning. Usually the hawks get all the squirrel and dove action around here, though. To be the hawk or to be the vulture . . .
All of those states still allow delivery.
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I'm really hoping most of the infected can self medicate at home and not require a hospital stay. https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/12/healt...der/index.html

My 20 year old daughter was sick last week for several days with a 103F fever. Not sure what the sickness was, but she was essentially quarantined to her room upstairs and I kept her supplied with over the counter meds, liquids, and food.

Regarding the government, any government, I sure hope most people can take care of themselves. Just keep open our access to food and meds.
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Work is so slow, here I am on the internet for hours on end yet another day. At least I got some much needed chores done over the last several days.
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Originally Posted by skijor View Post
All of those states still allow delivery.
Seems that might accelerate the percentage growth of the "Amazon Priming" of food at home faster than ever before.
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Originally Posted by bikemig View Post
That has not been the case. Anthony Fauci is superb. He needs to be made the chief spokesman.
I'd go so far as to say he should be the only spokesperson. That would radically improve the signal to noise ratio.
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Seems that might accelerate the percentage growth of the "Amazon Priming" of food at home faster than ever before.
Yeah because it's impossible to spread a virus through delivery food. I don't get it. I mean it's obviously safer not sitting at a table a bunch of other people have used that day, but no matter how much you want your hands you still have to touch packaging other people have had their hands on, while you handle your food. I don't really have a problem with that, I think people who work with the public are trying harder than work from home people to drown their hands in sanitizer, but it seems like if we're freaked out enough to avoid restaurants, this is a weird half measure.

I'm all for helping restaurants though. Buying gift certificates is like giving your favorite place an interest free loan, that they pay back in food.
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If you can't go out to eat and you can't get food from a grocery store, I guess we'll be soon starving a virus whether we want to or not.
Nowhere are grocery stores closing that I am aware of.

And here in the big city, take out abounds. I have two pizza, etc., places near my house. One is a half a block away. The other is about 1.5 blocks away. Both do takeout.
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