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Old 01-09-21, 10:42 AM
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Nobody talk about graphics on Linux sux.
Its Xorg windows graphic system date back to 1980s. And it is slow, inefficent, and bloated compared to Apple's and MS Win's.
Xorg also has security issues. It was designed in 1980s when the computer user population were overwhelmingly benevolent, when nobody had created viruses yet, and when designer didnt put any effort on security.

Effort to replace the ancient and bloated Linux Xorg graphics with fast, secure modern graphics have failed.
so looks like Linux is stuck with 40 year old graphics engine for a lot longer.

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Old 01-09-21, 11:12 AM
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Xorg works perfectly fine on Linux and on Mac OS X (or Mac OS).

It might be 40 years old, but it is continually developed and improved.
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Old 01-09-21, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by mtb_addict View Post
Xorg also has security issues. It was designed in 1980s when the computer user population were overwhelmingly benevolent, when nobody had created viruses yet, and when designer didnt put any effort on security.
And yet who ever heard of a virus outbreak among linux computers? I've been running linux at home for probably 20 years, with never a thought for security, and never a problem. How many Windows users can say they lasted 20 years with no attempt at virus protection?
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Old 01-09-21, 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by enine View Post
Any more I find Linux easier to use than Windows, just trying to get my wife's laptop reconnect to the wifi every couple months wastes a couple hours of time. For some reason it decides there is no wifi despite there being like 50 points in then neighborhood so I have to do the repair/uninstall/reinstall crap.
This isn't a general problem with Windows at all. It would be easy to find an anecdotal example of Linux not working too.
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Old 01-09-21, 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by wgscott View Post
Xorg works perfectly fine on Linux and on Mac OS X (or Mac OS).
It might be 40 years old, but it is continually developed and improved.
Xorg has fundamental design issue. It was intended to be used in server-client environment (popular in the 80s)...where one super computer (server) does compute processing for a bunch of dumb computer terminals (client). Linux users don't do the server-client mode in this day and age, but they are stuck using this old system. Sure Xorg works because it has 40 years of development. Sure it is stable because all the band-aids put on over the years. I am running Linux right now. When I drag the window around quickly, the window move in jerky motion. On MS Win-10, it is smooth.
And, most Linux users are programmers who don't care as much about graphics performance, Unlike gamers.

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And yet who ever heard of a virus outb
reak among linux computers? I've been running linux at home for probably 20 years, with never a thought for security, and never a problem. How many Windows users can say they lasted 20 years with no attempt at virus protection?
Windows users get more virus because hackers target the most popular computers. When 90% of users use MS Windows and only 1% use Linux, hackers are not going to waste his time and engine to go after the 1%. And I think Linux users are generally much more savy than Windows users. Linux users are much much less likely to click on unsolicitated email link or go to unknown website or download pirated software.

There is no app separation in Xorg by design, which means if one app using the X server can make changes to another app also using Xorg. Like a malicious app can travel thru the X server into your browser app and do bad things like record your keystroke while your are online banking. The solution is the Wayland Project. But Wayland is still in development mode. Wayland will make Linux graphics performance and security uptodate.

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Old 01-11-21, 12:03 PM
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We run a lot of Linux around the shop and prefer it. Big servers, lotsa users, enterprise apps - nooo questions. But I really don't see the point in Linux/Unix for pedestrian users - for most people there is no advantage, and I doubt they would know an OS from a firewall. Correspondingly, I can rattle on for hours about high-modulus carbon and electronic shifting, and those techs offer big advantages -- to some, but not most, probably not even me.
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Old 01-11-21, 12:11 PM
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We run a lot of Linux around the shop and prefer it. Big servers, lotsa users, enterprise apps - nooo questions. But I really don't see the point in Linux/Unix for pedestrian users - for most people there is no advantage, and I doubt they would know an OS from a firewall. Correspondingly, I can rattle on for hours about high-modulus carbon and electronic shifting, and those techs offer big advantages -- to some, but not most, probably not even me.
A guy at my work did a very interesting analysis, showing that the cost of AWS processing is radically lower for linux cloud resources, so we are incentivized to get the guts under our windows code running on linux as well, so we can deploy batch processing to cloud for cheaper. AWS is continually adjusting their pricing, actually, so having code compiled for both and ready to go means we can respond if/when the pricing model turns upside down for whatever market reasons.
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Old 01-12-21, 12:52 PM
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seems like a smart strategy, but are you really going to run "dual parallel release" cycles (and all the testing that implies)?
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We have automated build/test infrastructure to do that for us
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