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Old 05-29-20, 07:05 AM
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Pronunciation-age or locale?

It still sounds odd to me when I hear reel-tore (realtor). Grew up hearing it as reel-uh-tur - probably grew up with the incorrect pronunciation, but the "correct" one still makes my ears "hurt" when I hear it. Is it a "senior thing", or was it just the locale in which I was raised?
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I believe it is locale... there are different dialects all over the country... even different words used for similar things.

Check out this dialect map article. https://www.businessinsider.com/amer...ts-maps-2018-1
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Y’all fixin to go to the theeee-ater to see that there Staz Wa flick with that mean ole Dorf Vider.
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Cultural differences sometimes broad and sometimes specific. Ethnic, immigrants, the color line, institutions of higher learning tend to have their own academic speak.

In Mark Tawain's books, he uses that as a matter of fact.
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Originally Posted by Hondo Gravel View Post
Y’all fixin to go to the theeee-ater to see that there Staz Wa flick with that mean ole Dorf Vider.
Good one.

I was raised in Fort Worth... and when visiting kin there, I will sometimes slip into old linguistic habits...

Now to a true born and bred Texan, my non southern side is quickly apparent, but to anyone outside that of that definition, I seem to fit in fine with the locals.

A couple of phrases that I tend to use anyway, regardless: "fix'n 'ta" as in " 'am fix'n ta do dat right now." I don't know why, but that phrase has stuck with me all these years... and just slips right out. "Ya'll" I have managed to eliminate quite well, but I will allow it to slip back into my speech, easily, around family and friends. It's lodged in there, and not "affected," it is just waiting to come out and play at the right moment.

Now my wife, on the other hand, having been born on the west coast, and mostly raised there, with temporary early stints in England and Hawaii, as she was growing up, has NO southern dialect at all... but will attempt it from time to time... and it sounds so fake, it is laughable... the cadence is wrong, the emphasis is wrong, and it just sounds like "bad Hollywood." I just look at her, shake my head, and say... "Don't, just don't."
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Jewelry. Why do some pronounce it jew-lery?

When we moved to TX 27 years ago, we noticed on furniture ads on TV that when they were pitching bedroom suites that they pronounced it "suits". It was the strangest thing and I don't remember if it was one specific store ad or all of the store ads. A few years later I noticed it was being pronounce properly.

And Hondo...when we moved to TX from CA, it took me about 6 months to use "y'all" in a sentence in a business setting. I worked for a software company and I was giving a presentation to a client. I was determined to use "y'all" in a sentence and when I did I felt so self-conscious and thought that it stuck out like a sore thumb...it felt so awkward but nobody said anything so I guess it was fine.

My favorite expression that just rolls off my tongue is "pre-shay-dit" when thanking people.
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Originally Posted by dstrong View Post
Jewelry. Why do some pronounce it jew-lery?

When we moved to TX 27 years ago, we noticed on furniture ads on TV that when they were pitching bedroom suites that they pronounced it "suits". It was the strangest thing and I don't remember if it was one specific store ad or all of the store ads. A few years later I noticed it was being pronounce properly.

And Hondo...when we moved to TX from CA, it took me about 6 months to use "y'all" in a sentence in a business setting. I worked for a software company and I was giving a presentation to a client. I was determined to use "y'all" in a sentence and when I did I felt so self-conscious and thought that it stuck out like a sore thumb...it felt so awkward but nobody said anything so I guess it was fine.

My favorite expression that just rolls off my tongue is "pre-shay-dit" when thanking people.
I try my best to say you all instead of y’all but it slips now and then. People will say I would have never known that you are a Texan but a few worlds knocks you off. Now if aggravated then all the Texas slang gets thrown around
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Originally Posted by genec View Post
Good one.

I was raised in Fort Worth... and when visiting kin there, I will sometimes slip into old linguistic habits...

Now to a true born and bred Texan, my non southern side is quickly apparent, but to anyone outside that of that definition, I seem to fit in fine with the locals.

A couple of phrases that I tend to use anyway, regardless: "fix'n 'ta" as in " 'am fix'n ta do dat right now." I don't know why, but that phrase has stuck with me all these years... and just slips right out. "Ya'll" I have managed to eliminate quite well, but I will allow it to slip back into my speech, easily, around family and friends. It's lodged in there, and not "affected," it is just waiting to come out and play at the right moment.

Now my wife, on the other hand, having been born on the west coast, and mostly raised there, with temporary early stints in England and Hawaii, as she was growing up, has NO southern dialect at all... but will attempt it from time to time... and it sounds so fake, it is laughable... the cadence is wrong, the emphasis is wrong, and it just sounds like "bad Hollywood." I just look at her, shake my head, and say... "Don't, just don't."
Yup, there is a definite flow to speaking Texan now a Texan trying to imitate a Boston accent is so bad it will make you laugh to death. They drop the Rs but the the vowels are still Texan! It’s will make you
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Since the early 1980s "Valley Girl" thing, I've heard a pervasive change in the way many people adopt certain linguistic quirks as a subconscious or semi-conscious form of identity signalling. One of the most annoying is prefacing every statement with "So...", typical among some radio journalists, notably on NPR.

Another is vowel sound substitutions. Pay day becomes "pee dee". Or, worse, "I just got peed." Hey, keep it to yourself. Listen carefully to the Chime Banking ads on TV. Rampant on those. One actress who appeared in more than one varies her pronunciation, sometimes with the traditional long A ("pay day" and "paid"), sometimes substituting a long A sound.

I suspect these are a form of code switching and identity signalling, a way for younger adults to identify peers who share similar interests, educations, pop culture influences, etc.

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...I was raised in Fort Worth... and when visiting kin there, I will sometimes slip into old linguistic habits...
Same. I turn my accent on and off.

Fort Worth has some interesting linguistic quirks that I don't hear much beyond this area. Since high school I've noticed many of my black classmates, neighbors and friends who've always lived here and have family dating way back have some unique pronunciations: Goodwill is "gootwill", like "foot", and it's "The Gootwill Store." And many words with the "R" sound are pronounced "ARE-uh" with the "uh" serving as an alternative to the rolled or trilled R sounds in some other languages, a sort of flourish and emphasis. The usage varies, and I don't recall hearing anyone pronounce car that way, as in "go get the groceries from the car-uh." It's reminiscent of the old Yorkshire pronunciation of "O" as "ho" and "H" as "haytch". There's also some code switching and folks will vary linguistics depending on the company.

Most native Texans from the Fort Worth area don't have a "Southern" accent, and it's not like anything else either. But there's no uniform local accent either.

My first ex-wife invented her own pronunciations, including linguistic quirks that even her own family didn't use. The nearest comparison I can make is Joe Namath's accent, which is a creole gumbo of rural western Pennsylvania and the Carolinas. To me Joe always sounded more North Carolina than Pennsylvania or rural Ohio.

My first ex would pronounce words with long A sounds as a sort of E-type sound. "Play" became "pleh" or "plehy". Words like "really" were pronounced "vrilly". That particular quirk came to mind when I heard a woman on some late night TV ad for cosmetics say "this product vrilly works." Nobody in my ex's family, friends or school talked like that. Just something she made up, like most of what she said.
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When in Rome. If you want a fried pickle at the drive thru, you better say it like they do or you'll just be frustrating yourself. Get the "pitcher" ?
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Originally Posted by freeranger View Post
It still sounds odd to me when I hear reel-tore (realtor). Grew up hearing it as reel-uh-tur ...
Realtor -- usually pronounced "real-uh-tur"
February -- usually pronounced "feb-you-erry"
Quarter -- usually pronounced "korter"
Jewel -- usually pronounced correctly, of course, but ...
Jewelry -- almost always spoken as "joolery." Can't recall the last time I heard it pronounced fully and correctly, with all syllables.

Numerous words "grate" on my ears when I hear them pronounced sloppily. No changing it, though. It's like holding back the tide.

One word I won't pronounce as "jag-you-were": Jaguar. Actually, I can't think of any other words I'd pronounce that way, either.

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It can be aged based, location based, but it can also be situational.

I was once playing Gaelic Football (The GA) in Hong Kong. After a game I was at the pub with the group and after 2-3 pints I was asked by one of the Irish lads what county I was from.
"Mate...I'm Australian."

If you put me in a pub full of Irish people, feed me 3 pints of Guinness, then I'll sound like I'm from fecking Cork.
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In Philly, when there is a fire you spray wut-er on it.

In Pittsburgh they say yunz guys.

You say toe-May-toe, and I say toe-mah-toe. Let’s call the whole thing off.
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Originally Posted by JonnyHK View Post

If you put me in a pub full of Irish people, feed me 3 pints of Guinness, then I'll sound like I'm from fecking Cork.
A few years ago I dated a woman from Shannon. She had serious trouble with sps. Specific was pacific.
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people hack on me about when I mean to say specific and say pacific. One time I said ok the Atlantic.
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people hack on me about when I mean to say specific and say pacific. One time I said ok the Atlantic.
And then there's: "axe" instead of "ask." Which is becoming more commonplace. Indicative, on a number of levels.


One word that bugs me: preventative, instead of preventive. (ie, Preventive medicine.)

After all, if something is preventive then it's something designed as prevention of a thing. So, if "preventative" were a word, wouldn't there need to be the reference word of "preventation" as well? (Yeah, the Oxford English Dictionary lists both, preventive and preventative, as interchangeable. Still.)

Which effectively brings us to: retentive. But that's an entirely different discussion.
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Originally Posted by Clyde1820 View Post
And then there's: "axe" instead of "ask." Which is becoming more commonplace. Indicative, on a number of levels.


One word that bugs me: preventative, instead of preventive. (ie, Preventive medicine.)

After all, if something is preventive then it's something designed as prevention of a thing. So, if "preventative" were a word, wouldn't there need to be the reference word of "preventation" as well? (Yeah, the Oxford English Dictionary lists both, preventive and preventative, as interchangeable. Still.)

Which effectively brings us to: retentive. But that's an entirely different discussion.
Reminds me of when I was tasked to write governmentese in some reports... they always wanted the 2 dollar words where a nice 25 cent word would work fine.
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Originally Posted by canklecat View Post
Since the early 1980s "Valley Girl" thing, I've heard a pervasive change in the way many people adopt certain linguistic quirks as a subconscious or semi-conscious form of identity signalling. One of the most annoying is prefacing every statement with "So...", typical among some radio journalists, notably on NPR.

Another is vowel sound substitutions. Pay day becomes "pee dee". Or, worse, "I just got peed." Hey, keep it to yourself. Listen carefully to the Chime Banking ads on TV. Rampant on those. One actress who appeared in more than one varies her pronunciation, sometimes with the traditional long A ("pay day" and "paid"), sometimes substituting a long A sound.

I suspect these are a form of code switching and identity signalling, a way for younger adults to identify peers who share similar interests, educations, pop culture influences, etc.



Same. I turn my accent on and off.

Fort Worth has some interesting linguistic quirks that I don't hear much beyond this area. Since high school I've noticed many of my black classmates, neighbors and friends who've always lived here and have family dating way back have some unique pronunciations: Goodwill is "gootwill", like "foot", and it's "The Gootwill Store." And many words with the "R" sound are pronounced "ARE-uh" with the "uh" serving as an alternative to the rolled or trilled R sounds in some other languages, a sort of flourish and emphasis. The usage varies, and I don't recall hearing anyone pronounce car that way, as in "go get the groceries from the car-uh." It's reminiscent of the old Yorkshire pronunciation of "O" as "ho" and "H" as "haytch". There's also some code switching and folks will vary linguistics depending on the company.

Most native Texans from the Fort Worth area don't have a "Southern" accent, and it's not like anything else either. But there's no uniform local accent either.

My first ex-wife invented her own pronunciations, including linguistic quirks that even her own family didn't use. The nearest comparison I can make is Joe Namath's accent, which is a creole gumbo of rural western Pennsylvania and the Carolinas. To me Joe always sounded more North Carolina than Pennsylvania or rural Ohio.

My first ex would pronounce words with long A sounds as a sort of E-type sound. "Play" became "pleh" or "plehy". Words like "really" were pronounced "vrilly". That particular quirk came to mind when I heard a woman on some late night TV ad for cosmetics say "this product vrilly works." Nobody in my ex's family, friends or school talked like that. Just something she made up, like most of what she said.
Yup, Frank Zappas hit Valley Girl even took over S Texas all these redneck girls trying to talk the Valley Speak. FRIKIN depressing. This was back in 1982.
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strunk & white & pronunciation & punctuation r passe soon most writing will b electro & Fonetic >>> adverbs & adjectives w'll b xtinct & ther wil B less vowel action
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strunk & white & pronunciation & punctuation r passe soon most writing will b electro & Fonetic >>> adverbs & adjectives w'll b xtinct & ther wil B less vowel action
Things went downhill when the manual typewriter went the way of the Dodo bird, IMO. Speaking of "Dodos" ... I've still got a Strunk & White guide around, somewhere. Of course, I've got "Eats, Shoots and Leaves" along with a couple other similar books, too. No accounting for taste, yeah?

In a thousand years, I bet that people will unearth all the "chatter" that's been written in in the past ~20yrs and wonder what all the short, unintelligible letter combinations are ... WTH, WTF, OMG, UR, LOL, and so on.
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Realtor -- usually pronounced "real-uh-tur"
February -- usually pronounced "feb-you-erry"
Quarter -- usually pronounced "korter"
Jewel -- usually pronounced correctly, of course, but ...
Jewelry -- almost always spoken as "joolery." Can't recall the last time I heard it pronounced fully and correctly, with all syllables.

Numerous words "grate" on my ears when I hear them pronounced sloppily. No changing it, though. It's like holding back the tide.

One word I won't pronounce as "jag-you-were": Jaguar. Actually, I can't think of any other words I'd pronounce that way, either.
And "new-cue-ler" for nuclear. And it's such an easy word to pronunciate correctly: "After the atomic bombs dropped and wiped out the pesky humans, the Earth enjoyed a new clear day."
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