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Old 06-07-20, 08:27 AM
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Is What Matters, a Black and White Issue or, Mob Law?

You have to question if we live in a rational society when something as simple as, 'black lives matter,' is not a black and white issue... without the ability to enforce rights, there are no rights - so, how can you, e.g., defund the NYPD? The Emancipation Proclamation of Abraham Lincoln became law because the North had guns and the guns had bullets and the 'winners' had their fingers on the triggers.
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Now that is a great question - for the P&R forum...

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Tuxedo cats are black and white at the same time.

That's all I have to say about that.
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[QUOTE=Seattle Forrest;21520108]Tuxedo cats are black and white at the same time.

That's all I have to say about that.[/QUOTE

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Originally Posted by McBTC View Post
You have to question if we live in a rational society when something as simple as, 'black lives matter,' is not a black and white issue... without the ability to enforce rights, there are no rights - so, how can you, e.g., defund the NYPD? The Emancipation Proclamation of Abraham Lincoln became law because the North had guns and the guns had bullets and the 'winners' had their fingers on the triggers.
Are we be living in a rational society if black lives don't matter? You may believe the Emancipation Proclamation ended the issue in 1863 but it didn't. America still needed the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act. Those acts didn't end the issue, either. Americans are being abused, injured and killed by police. If you believe that, help to end it. If you don't believe it, you're part of the problem.
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I'd kind of like to hear from a Constitutional scholar on this topic of funding/de-funding the police. I understand the Police are part of the executive branch, which is charged with enforcing the laws. It's not clear to me if the executive intentionally killing citizens without a trial is simply murder, or is it also a violation of division of power. If that were to happen, would the legislative and judicial branches have a responsibility to step in?
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Originally Posted by downtube42 View Post
I'd kind of like to hear from a Constitutional scholar on this topic of funding/de-funding the police. I understand the Police are part of the executive branch, which is charged with enforcing the laws. It's not clear to me if the executive intentionally killing citizens without a trial is simply murder, or is it also a violation of division of power. If that were to happen, would the legislative and judicial branches have a responsibility to step in?
you might want to tune into judge jeannie on FOXAMERICUS > once "THEY" prove ginsberg has been dead for over a year trump will appoint her to further imbalance judicial reality
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the 3 percent of bad cops are wrong to assume that 100 percent of black people are bad and black people can't assume that all cops are racist. I think the people who left the cop keep his job after 18 violations should be fired.
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Originally Posted by jack pot View Post
you might want to tune into judge jeannie on FOXAMERICUS > once "THEY" prove ginsberg has been dead for over a year trump will appoint her to further imbalance judicial reality
It'll have to wait. They said there couldn't be an appointment during an election year, remember?
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Originally Posted by AlmostTrick View Post
It'll have to wait. They said there couldn't be an appointment during an election year, remember?
Right.
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The mice are acting up again and Flower is not happy. She is resting up for the nightly purging of the mice. I find it funny on the unfortunate basis that it mirrors society which makes me sad I’ll be sweeping out mice guts tomorrow morning and she will get a special treat a meow mix pate.


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Originally Posted by coffeesnob View Post
the 3 percent of bad cops are wrong to assume that 100 percent of black people are bad and black people can't assume that all cops are racist. I think the people who left the cop keep his job after 18 violations should be fired.
.. though I would like to know the role of the union in these decisions.
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...if and when this gets moved, there's already a thread about it in teh P+R that I started myself. Because that's how I roll.
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The mice are acting up again and Flower is not happy. She is resting up for the nightly purging of the mice.

...i bought me one of those electric rat zappers that works well for roof rats (Rattus rattus (Linnaeus). It's supposed to work on mice, too, but I haven's seen any lately.
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Originally Posted by 3alarmer View Post
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...if and when this gets moved, there's already a thread about it in teh P+R that I started myself. Because that's how I roll.
Is your thread about catz too?
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How about a song to lighten up the mood?:


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Is your thread about catz too?
...there are a couple of police/cat gifs in there now.

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Originally Posted by downtube42 View Post
I'd kind of like to hear from a Constitutional scholar on this topic of funding/de-funding the police. I understand the Police are part of the executive branch,...
Federal police (FBI, DEA and some other agencies) are under the executive branch. If you're more concerned about what your local police are doing, (such as how they react vis a vis local public demonstrations?) then that's usually up to your town council or town executive office (mayor or city manager). And that's a good thing, if you want to more directly influence the way things are handled by your local LEOs. Since you're a lot closer to the local authorities than the federal authorities, theoretically they should be that much more sensitive your wishes. If you're with an organized and well funded group, well, the more power to you. .

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The talk about defunding and disbanding is just a bargaining chip. Negotiations often start big and settle in the middle.

A reasonable compromise would be demilitarizing civilian law enforcement, ending asset forfeiture without due process, ending no-knock warrants, stronger standards for use of force and reporting of all use of force for data to study. Some cities may reasonably demand civilian review boards. There's some dispute over how effective that is.

I do know disbanding organized police would be a huge step back toward the Wild West. My fellow Texans have mostly forgotten the horrific abuses of the 19th century, including white-on-white mass lynchings of suspected Union sympathizers, abolitionists and "foreigners" including Germans, Czechs and other European immigrants. Texas was a hard, harsh and ugly place before the federal intervened in the 1990s to investigate some abuses that could no longer be ignored, including the sheriff in my former county -- he had a nice racketeering and extortion scheme running that ended up with a murder victim. And he wasn't even the first. He was just the first to be caught.
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Originally Posted by canklecat View Post
The talk about defunding and disbanding is just a bargaining chip. Negotiations often start big and settle in the middle.

A reasonable compromise would be demilitarizing civilian law enforcement, ending asset forfeiture without due process, ending no-knock warrants, stronger standards for use of force and reporting of all use of force for data to study. Some cities may reasonably demand civilian review boards. There's some dispute over how effective that is.

I do know disbanding organized police would be a huge step back toward the Wild West. My fellow Texans have mostly forgotten the horrific abuses of the 19th century, including white-on-white mass lynchings of suspected Union sympathizers, abolitionists and "foreigners" including Germans, Czechs and other European immigrants. Texas was a hard, harsh and ugly place before the federal intervened in the 1990s to investigate some abuses that could no longer be ignored, including the sheriff in my former county -- he had a nice racketeering and extortion scheme running that ended up with a murder victim. And he wasn't even the first. He was just the first to be caught.
Even then--it is a massive over-simplification of a massively complicated topic.

Over the years the Police have become the omni-agency everyone agrees to fund fto handle everything, even when they are not the ones to handle it. Violence in schools? Police problem. Drug problem? Police problem. Suicidal person? Police problem. Proverbial cat fight between neighbors? Police problem. Actual cat fight between neighbor's cats? Police problem. And so on...Instead of, you know, actually funding/staffing the specialist societal services that actually cover issues like those.....communities got suckered by the War on Crime and War on Drugs into just buying HUMVEEs (and everything else) for police departments because "tough on crime". And the citizenry ate it up and were wagged by the re-election campaigns and shows like C.O.P.S. and here we are.

There's the old adage about when every problem looks like a nail, when the only tool you have is a hammer. The hammer is/has-become the police, in the USA.

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As above, so below. People look to the govt for direction and wisdom. Historically, the govts have been very cavalier in using the police and military to impose their violent will (and not justice). So the people mirror this self-destructive example....

When the constitution was written, only property owning whites were considered "men". United States history has been a tragic war of those fratricidal "men" begrudgingly, muderously, resisting giving equality to Indigenous, workers, brown, yellow, black, women, children and poor. Their favorite direct tactics is to use private and public force to put down disent.

People are fed up....
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