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Old 06-11-20, 03:34 PM
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I need a back pain remedy non alcoholic

No rides in June so far. Woke up with severe lower back pain that wonít go away. I have no clue what I did? I put on these heat patches and thatís helps. Managed to take my boat out yesterday while painful I was ok and swimming in the lake felt good on my back. Then hitting wakes and bouncing around didnít feel to good. A few cold beers numbs the pain some but that is not a cure. Frustrating because I have no clue of how and why my back just gave out? Never had back issues before. Been a painful, irritation, frustrating and depressing 11 days. If this doesnít get better by Monday Iím going to the doctor. Do you all have any suggestions? Experiences with back issues? Any old fashion grandma potions you are willing to share? Weird I will feel good for few hours and I think itís over then my back goes back into bad shape again. Maybe Iím just an old worn out mule that needs to go to auction. Iím out of ideas and would love to hear what you guys think and if you have a non alcoholic remedy I listening.
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Old 06-11-20, 03:54 PM
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Vitamin I and rest.
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This might be a little risky given that you don't know what is wrong with your back, but stretching helped my lower back problems. Specifically, knee to opposite shoulder.


If you want to try this before you've talked to a doctor or physical therapist, take it careful and slow.
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Speaking anecdotally, I've done the following with great success:
Recommended by my physical therapist:
1) Stretching
2) Core strengthening
3) Electric stimulation (lots of consumer grade tens units on the market for $20-100)
4) Ibuprofen
And on a complete flyer (still only 80% convinced it isn't placebo effect) I tried CBD and find that it helps with pain, mood, and recovery.
The therapist also did ultrasound on my shoulder, and it felt incredible. I'd almost injure myself again just to have a twice weekly ultrasound session again. But some combination of stretches, strengthening, and anti-inflammatory is probably the ticket.
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Have you tried getting on the bike for a very easy spin?
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Cannabis.

It may not take away all the pain But it sure helps you forget about it. And it is not a narcotic.
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Old 06-11-20, 05:23 PM
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And on a complete flyer (still only 80% convinced it isn't placebo effect) I tried CBD and find that it helps with pain, mood, and recovery.
It's all anecdotal, but I hear more and more people I actually know reporting that they find CBD very effective.

A fellow golfer with a medical marijuana prescription usually opts for the 20-1 THC/CBD products. Those are, of course, more effective for mood elevation.

But he tried a 5-1 CBD/THC blend for back pain. "It's incredible" he raved, "real doctors should be prescribing this."
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Originally Posted by 79pmooney View Post
Have you tried getting on the bike for a very easy spin?
Oddly, while it seems counter intuitive, this has helped me quite a bit. I highly recommend it... an easy spin is the key... no heavy duty off road... just a nice 45 minute long resting ride... somehow it just works to untweak the back.
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Cannabis. .
>>> vape the weed & try a CBD rub on based lotion OR do some quality CBD > NU LEAF ?
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Old 06-11-20, 07:22 PM
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>>> vape the weed & try a CBD rub on based lotion OR do some quality CBD > NU LEAF ?
I don't always understand your posts. But I think this time we might be on the same page.
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First, make sure it's not your kidneys suffering moderate dehydration. If it's not that, it's likely muscular, right? Been bending over and doing stuff like reaching into boxes or closets? Quit doing that. Or else do it more regularly. And ibuprofen will reduce the inflammation, if it's that. If it's neither of those things, it could be skeletal, which would be bad. Try to find a doctor whose name doesn't begin with "Dead".
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Old 06-11-20, 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by genec View Post
Oddly, while it seems counter intuitive, this has helped me quite a bit. I highly recommend it... an easy spin is the key... no heavy duty off road... just a nice 45 minute long resting ride... somehow it just works to untweak the back.
^This!!!
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Old 06-11-20, 10:16 PM
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All of the above.

After resting a day, do some stretching and easy range of motion exercises. Build up very carefully and gradually. Check the Bowflex channel on YouTube for physical therapy tips. Best stuff I've found on YouTube, short, concise, well organized, usually only 2-3 minutes long. Most YouTube PT videos drag on far too long. And Bowflex videos that demonstrate simple exercises don't require Bowflex equipment and don't spam you with ads.

I have chronic neck pain from 2001 injuries (car wreck, with permanent neck injuries) and more recent shoulder injury from being hit by a car in 2018. It's a daily challenge. I do at least moderate stretching and range of motion every day.

But I start every day with a cup of coffee an aspirin to make it tolerable. Yup, CBD can help too. Also soaks in a hot bath with Epson salts.

Best topical analgesic I've tried is Ted's Pain Cream. I've tried 'em all, including topical CBD. Ted's works best for me.
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Walking around listening to The Cars original 1978 album. Thanks everyone for the input. I will get through this cycling setback hopefully soon. Rest is not in my vocabulary. In this case I’m going to rest and listen to The Cars.
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Old 06-11-20, 11:56 PM
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The spine is a mechanically complicated thing, with a nerve bundle running up the middle and smaller bundles branching out. Muscles, tendons, discs keep it all aligned and enable movement. Our modern life puts stresses on the spine it wasn't designed to handle, and furthermore we're living past our natural best-use-by date. It's difficult to know the difference between the types of injuries. Cadaver studies of people who experienced lifelong back pain have found no visible anomalies, while studies of other people with no reported back pain have found bulging discs, arthritis, and other issues that you'd expect would have caused issues.

Every back injury is different. I could tell you about my disc injury, symptoms, recovery, etc., but that's my spine, not yours. If it doesn't come back pretty quick, see a doctor, not BF.

Enemies of a healthy back are chairs and inactivity.
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Originally Posted by downtube42 View Post
The spine is a mechanically complicated thing, with a nerve bundle running up the middle and smaller bundles branching out. Muscles, tendons, discs keep it all aligned and enable movement. Our modern life puts stresses on the spine it wasn't designed to handle, and furthermore we're living past our natural best-use-by date. It's difficult to know the difference between the types of injuries. Cadaver studies of people who experienced lifelong back pain have found no visible anomalies, while studies of other people with no reported back pain have found bulging discs, arthritis, and other issues that you'd expect would have caused issues.

Every back injury is different. I could tell you about my disc injury, symptoms, recovery, etc., but that's my spine, not yours. If it doesn't come back pretty quick, see a doctor, not BF.

Enemies of a healthy back are chairs and inactivity.
This, except see one trained in helping you solve the problem ( a Doctor if Chiropractic) instead of suppressing the pain ( a Medical Doctor).
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The spine is a mechanically complicated thing, with a nerve bundle running up the middle and smaller bundles branching out. Muscles, tendons, discs keep it all aligned and enable movement. Our modern life puts stresses on the spine it wasn't designed to handle, and furthermore we're living past our natural best-use-by date. It's difficult to know the difference between the types of injuries. Cadaver studies of people who experienced lifelong back pain have found no visible anomalies, while studies of other people with no reported back pain have found bulging discs, arthritis, and other issues that you'd expect would have caused issues.

Every back injury is different. I could tell you about my disc injury, symptoms, recovery, etc., but that's my spine, not yours. If it doesn't come back pretty quick, see a doctor, not BF.

Enemies of a healthy back are chairs and inactivity.
My chiropractor said the worst are recliners....no support. I agree, and try to limit my time in the ol' Lazy Boy. Knock on wood I haven't needed chiro services in several years.

In the past, walking has been helpful. I regularly walk the hounds, so maybe that's been warding off back issues. I'm on my feet all day at work, and many days my back is tight. A modest 20-30 minute walk helps loosen it up.


A coworker who used to have lots of back issues hasn't had any since he got one of those teeter hangup inversions tables. That was ten years+ ago. I've never used one. So YMMV.
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Hydrate. A LOT.

If it's your kidneys it will flush it. If it's disk space then hydration will help with that. If it's purely muscular (which it sounds like it could be) then just give it some time and more heat packs.
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My first serious back pain that froze my body to the point of immobility was about 17 years ago at age 38. I used to carry a 60 pound tool box with my right hand into customer's buildings for about 8 years straight if the haul wasn't too long. I finally put that tool box on a dolly (also allowed me to carry more tools in one trip) which took the load off my back. Not counting any lifting or pulling that dolly load up some stairs, of course.

After many "hard" back pain situations, the things I've done to minimize it has been daily morning stretches and using a Teeter inversion table that I bought while in my 40s (I'm currently 55).

Using the inversion table is best done right before I hit the bed for sleep, so that my now stretched out body and back go horizontal for several hours of rest. Using the inversion table and going immediately back to walking and standing has less effect, but it still stretches the body and back.

If you do get an inversion table, I recommend the higher end makes like Teeter because the ankle holding mechanism wraps around your ankles and spreads the load you're putting on those ankles while inverted. Low end tables have bars covered with foam and create painful pressure points which keep you from using an inversion table long enough to have proper effect. Just think of the cost of something like a Teeter as paying for a doctor's visit, but now you own the device for years of service.

The long term result of my stretching and inverting has been that I don't have knock me down and out of work back pain, so far anyway. I'll get mild back pain on occasion that I can put some Icy Hot on or use a heating pad. But really that happens because I got away from my stretching and inversion regimen for about a week, and my back is telling me to pay attention again.

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A coworker who used to have lots of back issues hasn't had any since he got one of those teeter hangup inversions tables. That was ten years+ ago. I've never used one. So YMMV.
I got my Teeter after feedback from my brother and a co-worker. They are both in their 50s, like myself, and have been using their inversion tables as needed for over a decade each.
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I got my Teeter after feedback from my brother and a co-worker. They are both in their 50s, like myself, and have been using their inversion tables as needed for over a decade each.
I actually wish I could still use ours. Prosthetic legs and hanging from your ankle(s) just doesn't work out. Lovely appliance to have around.
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I was diagnosed with spondylolisthesis years ago. Went to physical therapy. When they cut me loose I cut back on the exercises but didn't stop. Tried to stop a few times. It goes well for about a week. Then my back really screams at me.

The above knee to opposite shoulder is a good one for me. Or even knee to same shoulder. Never force it. Just do what I can without too much pain.

Good luck.
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My only disagreement with any advice here is to recommend a chiropractor without some precautions.

I've visited many chiropractors and found only two who weren't absolute hacks. Because of permanent damage to my C1-C2, I have to specifically tell them to leave my neck alone other than gentle traction or massage. Otherwise they'll try that bone cracking crap that does nothing useful and could paralyze me. That happened with a VA chiropractor, even after we reviewed my chart and X-Rays and he acknowledged I had a permanent neck injury. Then the dumba$$ cracked my neck anyway. I could hardly walk without dizziness and nausea for the next day.

And most chiropractors seem to regard massage or muscle manipulation as beneath their dignity. One that I was assigned to last summer via the VA's referral to private practitioners (after my bad experience with a VA bonecracker) did little more than use a clicky pen doodad for a few minutes per session. After three visits I gave up.

IMO, you're better off with a qualified physical therapist and massage therapist than a chiropractor. I used to be open minded about chiropractors but after too many negative experiences I won't visit another. And that's totally apart from the holistic BS some of them try to pimp.
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My only disagreement with any advice here is to recommend a chiropractor without some precautions.

I've visited many chiropractors and found only two who weren't absolute hacks. Because of permanent damage to my C1-C2, I have to specifically tell them to leave my neck alone other than gentle traction or massage. Otherwise they'll try that bone cracking crap that does nothing useful and could paralyze me. That happened with a VA chiropractor, even after we reviewed my chart and X-Rays and he acknowledged I had a permanent neck injury. Then the dumba$$ cracked my neck anyway. I could hardly walk without dizziness and nausea for the next day.

And most chiropractors seem to regard massage or muscle manipulation as beneath their dignity. One that I was assigned to last summer via the VA's referral to private practitioners (after my bad experience with a VA bonecracker) did little more than use a clicky pen doodad for a few minutes per session. After three visits I gave up.

IMO, you're better off with a qualified physical therapist and massage therapist than a chiropractor. I used to be open minded about chiropractors but after too many negative experiences I won't visit another. And that's totally apart from the holistic BS some of them try to pimp.
Thanks for relating your experience. Chiropractors aren't any different than other professions, there are good, bad and in between. The trick is finding a good match between your needs and their skills. Your injuries are more severe than most and you've always come across as a smart guy before, I'm surprised you'd recommend others who's cases aren't so severe follow the treatment protocols that worked for you without even a cursory history. Especially when you recommend they seek help from physical therapists with all the injuries they've caused.And And you forgot to recommend people quit going after 3 visits too, surely these other providers will be expected to solve chronic problems in that amount of time too.
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