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Old 03-12-21, 04:26 PM
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Partly to encourage others, mostly just to share my enthusiasm. I'm going to be 70 soon, and I have issues. So surviving another mortal threat is cause for celebration.
My wife and I will be able to visit with our grandchildren in a few weeks.

We got stickers AND cards!

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Ideas like this would be easier to accept if they didn't involve completely trusting the industry that brought us the opioid epidemic in their relentless pursuit of profits.
i prefer to think about the evolving immunological tools, especially in mRNA vaccine platforms, giving us more rapid vaccine development with large-scale deployment and more importantly the fine people using them to also increase tested and efficient prophylactic and therapeutic vaccines. I know many people who work in the area of designing mRNA instructions for cells to build the unique spike protein needed for a mRNA vaccine, in my family included, which is another reason why i also trust the science and people doing it…..rather than the CEO’s involved in the opioid crisis. Personally i find using that as an anti-vaccine reason a little uneducated.
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i prefer to think about the evolving immunological tools, especially in mRNA vaccine platforms, giving us more rapid vaccine development with large-scale deployment and more importantly the fine people using them to also increase tested and efficient prophylactic and therapeutic vaccines. I know many people who work in the area of designing mRNA instructions for cells to build the unique spike protein needed for a mRNA vaccine, in my family included, which is another reason why i also trust the science and people doing it…..rather than the CEO’s involved in the opioid crisis. Personally i find using that as an anti-vaccine reason a little uneducated.
I like that essentially you trust scientists more than CEOs.

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Originally Posted by no motor? View Post
Ideas like this would be easier to accept if they didn't involve completely trusting the industry that brought us the opioid epidemic in their relentless pursuit of profits.
Russell Brand made that argument -- unconvincingly -- in a recent video.

It's pithy and irrelevant. Most people and groups are a mix of right and wrong, good and bad, behaviors and actions.

I've worked with good people doing the best they could within the confines of a misguided government agency. We had no control over the things the agency did badly. We did have control over doing our own jobs well, in ways that benefited the public.
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Let me make sure I'm understanding you all correctly here, the educated response is to blindly believe an industry that has found it acceptable to kill and addict a large group of people in order to maximize profits? You're just going to trust the entire industry to do the right thing here? Are you not familiar with the needs to verify another Vioxx/ Thalomide/Avandia isn't released on the market?
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Originally Posted by no motor? View Post
Let me make sure I'm understanding you all correctly here, the educated response is to blindly believe an industry that has found it acceptable to kill and addict a large group of people in order to maximize profits? You're just going to trust the entire industry to do the right thing here? Are you not familiar with the needs to verify another Vioxx/ Thalomide/Avandia isn't released on the market?
First, bear in mind that not all players in "the industry" acted as you mention. That is a pretty broad brush you wield.
https://apnews.com/article/virus-out...96a94b64abc9c2

Second, uh gee, we gave the tobacco industry free rein. Go figure.
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Neither. Just got my first Pfizer shot yesterday, and wondered these same things. The vaccine will make it less likely that you experience the severe symptoms and/or die from it. You can still catch, and transmit it to those that haven't been vaccinated, so continue to wear your mask in public. But apparently the CDC now allows unmasked gatherings of only fully-vaccinated people. Now I just need to find a "fully-vaccinated only" group ride, movie theater, and pub.

https://health.clevelandclinic.org/a...face-mask-yet/
Apparently, if you wash your hands, etc, blah blah blah, you won't transmit it. You won't become infected, and since you aren't infected, you obviously can't transmit it. Make sense?
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Ideas like this would be easier to accept if they didn't involve completely trusting the industry that brought us the opioid epidemic in their relentless pursuit of profits.
If we wanted to plunge head-long into that rabbit hole while we are at it, we could also compare and contrast the tobacco industry verses this pandemic. More people have died in than in all of the world wars combined, yet there is no mention of loss of life from tobacco use. Some times you just have to follow the money for the pot of evil at the end of the rainbow (which is stained brown from nicotine).
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Originally Posted by canklecat View Post
Russell Brand made that argument -- unconvincingly -- in a recent video.

It's pithy and irrelevant. Most people and groups are a mix of right and wrong, good and bad, behaviors and actions.

I've worked with good people doing the best they could within the confines of a misguided government agency. We had no control over the things the agency did badly. We did have control over doing our own jobs well, in ways that benefited the public.
I respect your option that some lives just aren't worth protecting, but don't agree with it.
Those 50,000 extra iatrgenic deaths due to the falsified research used to get Vioxx approved didn't cause the upset that the same number of Covid deaths did, it would be nice if more lives were considered worth protecting.
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Originally Posted by genec View Post
First, bear in mind that not all players in "the industry" acted as you mention. That is a pretty broad brush you wield.
https://apnews.com/article/virus-out...96a94b64abc9c2

Second, uh gee, we gave the tobacco industry free rein. Go figure.
Follow the money applies here too.
Medical care is an area were trust is important, and the layman shouldn't have to worry that the industry that is theoretically supposed to be helping them has other goals to put it politely. But the industry does have other goals, it's #1 in costs, 37th in results and medical errors alone are the third leading cause of death here.
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Originally Posted by no motor? View Post
***snip*** iatrogenic deaths ***snip***
Fixed the spelling for you. I'd like to compliment you on your vocabulary, and choice of words for this particular topic. I pride myself on having a huge vocabulary, and even I had to look this one up. Bravo, sir!
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Originally Posted by no motor? View Post

I respect your option that some lives just aren't worth protecting, but don't agree with it.
Those 50,000 extra iatrgenic deaths due to the falsified research used to get Vioxx approved didn't cause the upset that the same number of Covid deaths did, it would be nice if more lives were considered worth protecting.
Just get the damn shot.
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Just get the damn shot.
Being sincere to the point of naiveté in pursuing anti-covid vaccine reasons just hurts all of us in dealing with a pandemic like we have with covid.
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Originally Posted by no motor? View Post
Let me make sure I'm understanding you all correctly here, the educated response is to blindly believe an industry that has found it acceptable to kill and addict a large group of people in order to maximize profits? You're just going to trust the entire industry to do the right thing here? Are you not familiar with the needs to verify another Vioxx/ Thalomide/Avandia isn't released on the market?
Bayer made Zyklon B. Does that mean they are trying to kill you with aspirin?
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Originally Posted by no motor? View Post
Let me make sure I'm understanding you all correctly here, the educated response is to blindly believe an industry that has found it acceptable to kill and addict a large group of people in order to maximize profits? You're just going to trust the entire industry to do the right thing here? Are you not familiar with the needs to verify another Vioxx/ Thalomide/Avandia isn't released on the market?
Maybe a better comparison is all that pseudo-scientific marketing hype by companies that want you to buy their performance enhancing products (nutritional or 'hardware'), yet they have no concrete scientific evidence that it helps. Drink additives containing vitamins and minerals (maybe just eat a balanced diet?), nutritional supplements for joint problems (made with 'deadly' chromium!), joint supports 'infused with copper' (how does that work?), all with no scientific data or peer review to back them up like a vaccine maker has to produce to get approval.
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Bayer made Zyklon B. Does that mean they are trying to kill you with aspirin?
NO, but it does mean that for the right price BAYER will kill you
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Originally Posted by Riveting View Post
Neither. Just got my first Pfizer shot yesterday, and wondered these same things. The vaccine will make it less likely that you experience the severe symptoms and/or die from it. You can still catch, and transmit it to those that haven't been vaccinated, so continue to wear your mask in public. But apparently the CDC now allows unmasked gatherings of only fully-vaccinated people. Now I just need to find a "fully-vaccinated only" group ride, movie theater, and pub.

https://health.clevelandclinic.org/a...face-mask-yet/
The original tests performed by Pfizer looked at the efficacy against symptomatic infection but I believe Israel has also found that the Pfizer vaccine was 94% effective at preventing asymptomatic infection. Data is not peer-reviewed yet but looks very encouraging.
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Fixed the spelling for you. I'd like to compliment you on your vocabulary, and choice of words for this particular topic. I pride myself on having a huge vocabulary, and even I had to look this one up. Bravo, sir!
Thank you, I usually use my phone here and the spell check comes up with the wrong suggestion some times like it did here.
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Just get the damn shot.
I appreciate your assumption that I'm not in the group that's considered an acceptable sacrifice, but what makes you assume that my apprehension at being injected by a product made by an industry that hasn't hesitated to put profits ahead of lives means I won't eventually get the vaccine? I'm going to have to wait until I get one anyway, and that will allow more time for complications to develop if they do.
If your old enough to have already received this vaccine you probably remember the problems with the Swine Flu Vaccine. The best and brightest minds used lots of science to come up with a vaccine to counteract what they thought was going to be an updated version of the 1918 flu (sounding familiar yet?) and ended up introducing the public to Guillain-Barre before the program was scrapped. I lived through the Swine Flu and the Hong Kong Flu in 1968 without any problems, I bet I can wait my turn safely here too. My GF's mother came down with Guillain-Barre during one of her hospital stays and that's close enough for me.
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Being sincere to the point of naiveté in pursuing anti-covid vaccine reasons just hurts all of us in dealing with a pandemic like we have with covid.
It's all my fault isn't it, the industry can do no wrong can it?/s
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Bayer made Zyklon B. Does that mean they are trying to kill you with aspirin?
Well, between 10,000 and 20,000 people die each year from NSAIDs (the class of drugs that contains aspirin) and some say they wouldn't be approved it they were developed today.
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I respect your option that some lives just aren't worth protecting, but don't agree with it.
Those 50,000 extra iatrgenic deaths due to the falsified research used to get Vioxx approved didn't cause the upset that the same number of Covid deaths did, it would be nice if more lives were considered worth protecting.
That's not even remotely what I said. If you're not going to make an effort at honest communication we're done. Whatever your beef is about pharmaceutical makers, conflating the opiate issue with the coronavirus vaccine will never make any sense.
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Originally Posted by skidder View Post
Maybe a better comparison is all that pseudo-scientific marketing hype by companies that want you to buy their performance enhancing products (nutritional or 'hardware'), yet they have no concrete scientific evidence that it helps. Drink additives containing vitamins and minerals (maybe just eat a balanced diet?), nutritional supplements for joint problems (made with 'deadly' chromium!), joint supports 'infused with copper' (how does that work?), all with no scientific data or peer review to back them up like a vaccine maker has to produce to get approval.
Nutrition isn't your forte is it? And I bet you never noticed how many low quality supplement companies are owned by drug companies either?
Or that the drug companies put out slightly different versions of the same products in part to account for the difference in effectiveness in different people yet expect the public to believe that all vitamins are the same and are absorbed and/or utilized the same.
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