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Old 06-13-21, 09:27 PM
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The '20-5-3' Rule Prescribes How Much Time to Spend Outside

Saw this article today... Food for thought?

The '20-5-3' Rule Prescribes How Much Time to Spend Outside



Americans today spend 92 percent of their time indoors, and their physical and mental health are suffering.
Use this three-number formula to make yourself stronger and happier.

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  • 20 Minutes
    That’s the amount of time you should spend outside in nature, like a neighborhood park, three times a week.
    .
  • 5 Hours
    The minimum length of time each month you should spend in semi-wild nature, like a forested state park. “Spending more time in wilder spaces does seem to give you more benefits,” said Hopman.
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  • 3 Days
    This is the top of the pyramid. Three is the number of days you should spend each year off the grid in nature, camping or renting a cabin (with friends or solo). Think: places characterized by spotty cell reception and wild animals, away from the hustle and bustle.
Food for thought?

Where does riding a bicycle fit in?
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Old 06-13-21, 09:43 PM
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The numbers are shockingly low, but I love the concept.
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I wonder just how the numbers fit if say you already live in an isolated cabin in Idaho... (perhaps writing a manifesto) or live way off the grid, in say, Alaska. Or what about the families that live in states like New Mexico or Texas, out in the country... are they already "stronger and happier?"

By "Americans" in the OP quote above, are they mainly speaking of the "coastal elites" that spend all their time in densely packed cities?
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I say that's a good minimum standard (which I'm not reaching most days, months, years). I know if I did it, it would help.
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Sadly, there is not always enough 'nature" to go around. Some parks are suffering from overtourism.
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Originally Posted by CliffordK View Post
Where does riding a bicycle fit in?
That's what I'd like to know. Basically 1hr+ on suburban arterial roads ever day I bike commute -- was ~200 days/yr, much less recently with pandemic WFH, but still more than 60min/week. Plus recreational trail riding.
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Old 06-14-21, 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by genec View Post
I wonder just how the numbers fit if say you already live in an isolated cabin in Idaho... (perhaps writing a manifesto) or live way off the grid, in say, Alaska
Only counts if you write the manifesto longhand on mountain goat skin
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Originally Posted by CliffordK View Post
Only counts if you write the manifesto longhand on mountain goat skin
You can write your manifesto shorthand as long as you transcribe it off the grid.
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I surpass those goals on my typical two-week bike tours out west. It would be interesting to try to keep track of how much time I spend indoors.
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I guess I’m a weirdo I spend most of my life outdoors. I have two WiFi whatever you call them so I get good coverage outside where I am most of the time. Wednesday I’m heading to Colorado and New Mexico to get some mountain air outdoors. I would die if I was stuck indoors all day.
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Every time I spend 3-4 hours outside, when I get back in it's so peaceful and shady and not windy, I realize how great shelter is, and how tiring life is without it
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I took a seasonal position doing park maintenance this summer. Does that count? Unfortunately that means no long vacations this summer for me...
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That’s a job that is outside so you are not indoors so it counts ..
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Hmmm... so should the Mountain Men budget some indoor computer time? Certainly there is a lot of wiki-knowledge.
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Originally Posted by CliffordK View Post
Only counts if you write the manifesto longhand on mountain goat skin
Just what is the proper writing instrument when writing on goat skin? Will any Sharpie do? Or do I have to make a quill and use ash/blood ink?

Inquiring minds want to know.
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When I was in my early 20's I got a job at a local city park. That year was incredible. I was outdoors 99.5% of the time.

I don't get out (camping or off the grid) as much as I should and I do miss those adventures. I can't speak for others but when I think about some of the more memorable times in my life they are always memories of being outside. I don't have any incredible memories while sitting in the living room watching TV.
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When I was in my early 20's I got a job at a local city park. That year was incredible. I was outdoors 99.5% of the time.

I don't get out (camping or off the grid) as much as I should and I do miss those adventures. I can't speak for others but when I think about some of the more memorable times in my life they are always memories of being outside. I don't have any incredible memories while sitting in the living room watching TV.
Wow... not even sitting with the family watching the "Wonderful World of Disney," or the "Ed Sullivan Show," or the "Wizard of Oz" for the first time? Those were all traditions for my family when I was growing up. Of course, I do quite enjoy being outdoors... some of my best memories come from camping in Baja, (and camping in Yellowstone... wild times) or sailing. But, yes, I DO have memories of television, from the old pre cable 3-4 channel days... Then there was the time several neighbors got together to see, in color, (it was B&W), the first steps of man, on the moon. "One small step... "
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While living in a dense urban environment (that i love living in for the amenities, diversity of people, opportunities for caring about others and many diverse photography opportunities) I also have an ocean bike path out the back of my building, mountain peace and good exercise a hour bike ride away or a 1 to 2 hour drive for even more and a desert a 1 1/2 to 2 hour drive away which also gives me my best mind clearing rides. Each giving me what i need for the exercise, visual and psychological calm that gives a welcome balance and difference in the perspective on my life.
....and we watch little tv as we have better and more satisfying ways of spending time at home
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Originally Posted by clemsongirl View Post
While living in a dense urban environment (that i love living in for the amenities, diversity of people, opportunities for caring about others and many diverse photography opportunities) I also have an ocean bike path out the back of my building, mountain peace and good exercise a hour bike ride away or a 1 to 2 hour drive for even more and a desert a 1 1/2 to 2 hour drive away which also gives me my best mind clearing rides. Each giving me what i need for the exercise, visual and psychological calm that gives a welcome balance and difference in the perspective on my life.
....and we watch little tv as we have better and more satisfying ways of spending time at home

So, uh, you didn't see the moon landing either, eh?
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Originally Posted by genec View Post
Just what is the proper writing instrument when writing on goat skin? Will any Sharpie do? Or do I have to make a quill and use ash/blood ink?

Inquiring minds want to know.
Feather quills, of course.

Blood is used for making invisible ink, perfect for the manifesto, although I'm not sure how well it shows up on parchment/skin. Perhaps that doesn't matter.

I haven't thought much about inks. Just stay away from Hemlock... Ok, so that isn't American Hemlock that is the problem. It looks like soot is common for making ink, along with various minerals and solvents.
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Originally Posted by CliffordK View Post
Feather quills, of course.

Blood is used for making invisible ink, perfect for the manifesto, although I'm not sure how well it shows up on parchment/skin. Perhaps that doesn't matter.

I haven't thought much about inks. Just stay away from Hemlock... Ok, so that isn't American Hemlock that is the problem. It looks like soot is common for making ink, along with various minerals and solvents.
Yeah, I said "ash." Soot is slightly different, still a byproduct of burning something. I really have no idea how to make ink... and heck... what manifesto... I just want to sit alone, and look out over the forest, and listen to the birds. I love to hear birds... Funny thing about that... when out camping, a few times, on the way to the prime destination, I have camped in some noisy places, and laughed that "I just want it to be at least as quiet as home..." Home is where I can and do hear birds.

I remember camping a couple places that were a bit too close to highways... and either trucks or motorcycles kinda ruined the whole thing. One time we could just barely see the highway, off in the distance... but it was downhill, and everyone that could, used "motor braking." So even far off... there was that brrrrrrrr brrrrrrr brrrrrrr of compression braking echoing into the night.

One time we were in "the middle of nowhere" up around Mount Shasta... and thought we had an ideal spot... creek burbling below, far enough away from the main road to not hear it. What we didn't know was that right across the creek, hidden in the trees, was a RR track (which we had crossed, getting to the campsite, but didn't think of, at all). In the middle of the night... OMG, sounded like the damn earth was shaking apart.
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I love to hear birds... Funny thing about that... when out camping, a few times, on the way to the prime destination, I have camped in some noisy places, and laughed that "I just want it to be at least as quiet as home..." Home is where I can and do hear birds.
One time me and a college buddy were camping in Killarney Provincial Park, and (aside from being eaten alive at the height of blackfly season) we were kept up all night by a whip-poor-whill, seemingly 3ft directly above our tent. We wanted to murder that thing so bad
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One time me and a college buddy were camping in Killarney Provincial Park, and (aside from being eaten alive at the height of blackfly season) we were kept up all night by a whip-poor-whill, seemingly 3ft directly above our tent. We wanted to murder that thing so bad
Certainly there are annoying things in the middle of the night... We were in Hilo several years ago, and I happened to mention that I loved the tree frog sound... we were talking to a couple of locals... and they just shuddered at the thought. They said: "Yeah, everyone loves that sound, at first... then late one night, one close tree frog will keep you awake... and after that, you hate them."

I can understand... but so far, except for trains, I do like night sounds. We camped in Arizona (south of Lake Havasu) and could hear burros off in the night... far away mind you.
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Not surprising but some of the science in the article is interesting. Anecdotally when I spend too much time off the bike and/or indoors (such as during the winter) I get pretty cranky.

Unfortunately I live in a farm state with less than 1% of public lands and no really cool national parks so wild nature really isn't a thing. But we have lots of gravel roads so that'll have to do, I guess.
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