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Old 06-21-21, 01:40 PM
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OT: C&V like friction shifting, how about manual transmission vehicles?

I'm a lifelong stick-shift driver after growing up with a couple generations of family work at a GM manual transmission plant. About everything I've ever owned has had a clutch pedal. Any other BFers prefer three pedals?
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I'm a lifelong stick-shift driver after growing up with a couple generations of family work at a GM manual transmission plant. About everything I've ever owned has had a clutch pedal. Any other BFers prefer three pedals?
Yes, and my moto doesn't have 3 pedals, but it does have a clutch and gear selector. What do you drive?

My vehicles:

125k mile 2004 Honda Element AWD w/ MT
-Not many of these around. To be honest, it's not that fun to drive. The clutch pedal in this generation squeaks and it drives me nuts., I think I've also decided that manual transmissions in smaller cars are what's the most fun. I am considering getting a used Lexus CT200h or a GTI to replace the Element as our street parked city car. Being an auto, my gf could drive it in an emergency. That scenario was firmly implanted in our brains this last year when I had to go to the ER for migraines caused by what turned out to be a pituitary tumor.
1976 BMW 2002 MT
-Pretty typical for this car. I am pretty sure there are more manual transmission 2002s than autos out there. Really fun. It needs a lot of work to make it even more enjoyable to drive, but it's absolutely fulfilling its roll as a running and driving project car .
2016 DR650
-Never made in an auto. If I ever go for something like an Africa Twin that also comes in auto, it will be manual as well.
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My first car was a 1972 Chevy Nova with a PowerGlide two-speed automatic transmission. I crashed it in early 1982, and bought a 1980 Pontiac Sunbird with a 4-speed. Later that year I met a girl who drove a 1980 Renault LeCar with a 4-speed. We've been together ever since, and neither of us have since owned a vehicle with an automatic.
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Majority of cars I've owned have been manual. Love them, although they are now an option that is not offered, or is an upcharge. Crazy how things change.

1999 Nissan Sentra SE (sr20de), think 4 door se-r kind of. Fun and functional. And reliable. 5 speed

2015 Fiesta ST. Super fun. 200hp and torque monster. Turbo 1.6. 6 speed.

Interested to see if manuals die all together. Even sports cars are being made without manual options. Cannot wrap my head around it. Oh well, things change, eh?
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I enjoy driving cars with a manual transmission, but I often find it impractical and tiresome for city/suburban driving. I haven't owned a stick shift car for about 15 years. I guess I've gotten lazy. I tend not to drive cars for pleasure much anymore.

Perhaps relevant to the spirit of the question, I can't stand the newer cars with automatic transmissions that let you "manually" shift by moving the stick back and forth or using paddles on the steering wheel (my wife's 2012 Challenger has both options). I feel like this gets you the inconvenience of manual shifting without the pleasure or performance gains.
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I do, and so does the rest of my family

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Oy, the ol' slip-n-slide powerglide. What a clunker. I guess drag racers like them.

I've worked extensively on SAAB (Borg Warner type 37) automatics, and it has instilled in me a lifelong contempt of the slushbox. And don't even get me started on those dual-clutch automatics. I had a little experience working on the Ford Powershift (power$#!+ as I call it) dual-clutch automatic manual thing, and it's even worse! I'll never drive automatic. In my experience, you do the work either way: with a manual, you work with the gears while you're driving, or with an automatic, you do the work after you drive, crawling around under the car.

Of course, I like working on my cars, so I'm doing transmission work for fun. I have:
-A SAAB 900 turbo from '90 with a 5sp manual I equipped with the high-ratio "autobahn" "type-8" primary gearset so I can have fun short-shifting to get all that juicy low-end torque from the Mitsubishi turbocharger (and I am working on a "built" transmission with a steel pinion bearing housing that I've machined to take the bearings used on the first-gen Corvette, along with the stronger "chillcast" case, and front case with extra bearings for the input side)
-A Honda Insight, first-gen, with the extra-tall-geared 5sp. It does about 2000rpm at 50mph in 5th gear. It's wild and I love it, you have to think ahead and drive like a trucker.
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Manual transmission shift gates are indexed. Not C&V.


@scarlson, might send you a PM about the Borg-Warner 37. There's one in a Rover P6 I keep looking at (not my finest hour of sensibility) that has a 35 in it.

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The last (and only) time I drove an automatic was my road test. That was about 40 years ago. In fact, Gearbasher comes from driving a four speed and not from the bike. I worked a 4 to midnight shift most my life and after work I'd go out "gear bashing" on my '63 Volvo PV 544. At least, that was what the guys at work called it. The car was a rust bucket and I tried to kill it. But, the Volvo B 18 engines and M 40 trannies are indestructible. That car went to the junk yard and I now have a '60 PV 544.

The only drawback to a manual is that I only do city driving. So, with all the foot movement, I might as well be walking. I now time my shifts where I only need the clutch to launch the car and all other shifts are done without clutching.
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Stick only since 2005.

Currently drive a 2019 Jeep Compass manual 4wd, bought new off the lot at end of year clearance. Just in time as the manual is no longer available for ‘21 models. It’s plenty of car for my needs and more engaging to drive than any automatic. Before that I had manuals in a 1st gen Ford Focus and a vintage Toyota 4Runner. Both would have been intolerable slugs as automatics, but were lots of fun as manuals.

Driving stick in city traffic (I live in Seattle) doesn’t bother me in the slightest…It’s automatic.
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Originally Posted by scarlson View Post
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-A Honda Insight, first-gen, with the extra-tall-geared 5sp. It does about 2000rpm at 50mph in 5th gear. It's wild and I love it, you have to think ahead and drive like a trucker.
That's pretty much how I have to drive my truck anyways. With a tired, nearly 30yr old fullsize Ram v6/NV3500 in Seattle traffic, I have to plan ahead for everything The floating of the gears is just for personal enjoyment.

We also owned a Smart Fortwo, with it's infamous transmission. Which was a normal manual transmission with a computer controller clutch that waited 3 seconds before actuating any shift. Once you learned how to trick the system, you could do all sorts of fun rev-matching antics. We drove it down for a photo shoot on Lombard.
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Well, for most of my life I have enjoyed them on my sporting play car. BMW 2000ti, Dodge Daytona, Spirit R/T, Neon ACR, etc. Wonderful 6 speed in the Miata (the one car I truly miss) and then an OK 6 speed in the C5 Corvette ZO6. When I traded in the vette for the MKVII GTI I went to the super fast shifting auto, no way I'm banging gears that fast with a manual. Now with the BMW 340i M-Sport it's now another automatic. This time an 8 speed with various shifting modes and even paddle shifters when I want. Setup for full sport and this thing rows through the gears so fast that even the STIG gave up on manuals, LOL!

So call me a convert now. Unless I give into the urge and grab another Miata, no way I'm ever going to get one of those with an automatic.
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yup
it's why I'm hanging on to my '03, 178k Focus. no oil between changes, usual consumables, some oddball repairs (stripped oil drain plug, cracked thermostat housing) costing about a grand or so a year to keep running so here's hoping it'll be around for a while longer
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Late 1981, going on a date, my car (lowered, gutted, Datsun 510) and her car (Dodge Omni) both briefly undriveable. Walked to her house, she borrowed her mother's car. She pulled out of the driveway, wound up 1st gear, went to stab the clutch for 2nd on the Buick Skylark coupe. Except it didn't have a clutch, she almost put me through the windshield hitting that brake. She was unfamiliar with automatics altogether and I thought "a keeper!" Married 38 years last month, she's never had an automatic car even driving to the office in 5" heels. I switched to manuals as soon as i had the wherewithal of choose and pay for my own car.

Alas, eventually going to be denied the choice, especially with electric cars. She plans to replace the Honda S2000 with a Subaru BRZ or Toyota 86 in two years, manual. I plan to keep the Boxster until 2030 at which point...ugh!
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[QUOTE=gearbasher;22111741 I now have a '60 PV 544.[/QUOTE]

Lower it a couple inches and a flame job, it would look like a 1948 Ford hot rod.
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I've got three stick shift cars...a 1971 MGBGT, and 1965 Austin Healey Sprite, and a 2006 BMW 330Ci. The Sprite has a crashbox (i.e. no syncromesh in first gear).

That said, my next car purchase is probably going to be a Tesla replacement (i.e. the car equivalent of an all-carbon electronic-shifting bike) for the BMW. There's a lot to be said for smooth power application with no shifting necessary and maximum torque available at 0 rpm.

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I'm a lifelong stick-shift driver after growing up with a couple generations of family work at a GM manual transmission plant. About everything I've ever owned has had a clutch pedal. Any other BFers prefer three pedals?
Well frankly I like the control that three pedals gives me over conditions "the computer" or "transmission" just cannot seem to comprehend. My old Toyota Truck was a gem in 4WD, and that required the use of a clutch just to get the power control right.

Currently, my wife has a little '95 Miata, and speed isn't the goal, but acceleration... out of a curve, up and down hills... all require competent shifting... which are quite fun in that overblown "go-cart" of a car.

For the record... my favorite bikes in my fleet are friction shifters... I had no idea about index shifting when it first came out... as I was so pleased with my main ride and the friction shifting it has. It wasn't until I bought an off road bike, that I discovered index shifting... and by that time I suppose all the little details had been ironed out... it will only shift up one gear at a time, but will shift down two when I need it... nice touch.
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2007 Honda Fit that is kind of fun to drive, even though it is pretty gutless.

Also a couple of farm trucks with manuals. An 85 Chevy C30 with a 350 and a 3 speed Muncie that is just a blast to drive. And a 93 F150 with the straight six and a five speed. I suspect it will live forever.

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I've owned 7 cars over 40 years of driving. The first 6 of those cars had manual transmissions.
But after that 7th, I'm not sure I would ever go back...at least not if it was my only car. And not if I lived in the city. Or in hilly terrain.
Come to think of it, I guess the only place I would prefer a stick shift & clutch is on a racetrack. And that ain't gonna happen any time soon...

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.... An 85 Chevy C30 with a 350 and a 3 speed Muncie that is just a blast to drive...
My family and neighbors growing up built that gearbox. My NewVenture 3500 is a direct descendant. It floats gears soo buttery.
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My family and neighbors growing up built that gearbox. My NewVenture 3500 is a direct descendant. It floats gears soo buttery.
Buttery is not the word I would have chosen to describe it. It shifts like a box of rocks. But that seems appropriate for what it is, and I am sure it was just as rough right from the factory. I will say that it does inspire confidence that it is bulletproof. Just not very sophisticated. I like it all the more for that.

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I've always had manuals. My current car is a 2019 VW Alltrack. I think it may be the last manual transmission wagon available in North America.
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I’m a car addict. I used to have nothing but manual. But the newer dual clutch automatics can’t be beat. I can do anything with it I can with a manual but with better performance.
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