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Old 08-16-21, 11:46 AM
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Stay away from the bike path by Marine Drive (Portland)

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Old 08-16-21, 03:23 PM
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Somebody needs to accidentally drop a box of screws across the trail.
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Old 08-16-21, 03:37 PM
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Somebody needs to accidentally drop a box of screws across the trail.
Good idea. Something like this:
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Old 08-16-21, 03:49 PM
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Stay away from Portland is the better advice.
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It should be an easy problem to fix.

If people are parking in places only accessible from the path, show up with 2 or 3 tow trucks, and police cars to box them in so they can't drive out.

Snag a couple of cars, with say $1000 impound fees and fines. And the rest will disappear overnight.

Portland is supposed to be working on some longterm homeless camps in places they can be managed.
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Old 08-17-21, 04:06 PM
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What about a nice well marked big pole in a couple of places on the path?

Seems to me every MUP I have ever ridden has pinch points at areas where they meet the street... those pinch points restrict the movement of large vehicles.

Heck one neighborhood I lived in near San Diego was being used as a throughway for folks that did not want to stop for the traffic lights (which were there to allow kids to cross), so motorists sped through the neighborhood, until big solid poles were installed at one entry, making the neighborhood a dead end. The fire department had keys to special locks on these poles so a fire truck could gain access if the main entry were somehow blocked.

This method is used all the time. Yes, cyclists can be injured if they do not pay attention and ride blind into the poles... but it appears as though there is a T connection to Marine Street... cyclists are going to have to slow down at that intersection anyway.

This is very solvable.
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Old 08-17-21, 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by teejaywhy View Post
Stay away from Portland is the better advice.
Well, then you won't get to enjoy such treats as Powells Books or Pine State Bisquits.

Your loss.
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Originally Posted by genec View Post
What about a nice well marked big pole in a couple of places on the path?

Seems to me every MUP I have ever ridden has pinch points at areas where they meet the street... those pinch points restrict the movement of large vehicles.
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On many of the connector MUPs round here the poles have been removed due to neighborhood complaints that they can't get their NEVs to the park.
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On many of the connector MUPs round here the poles have been removed due to neighborhood complaints that they can't get their NEVs to the park.
NEVs? Are they wider than a typical bicycle... if so, why are they on a narrow path?
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Old 08-18-21, 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by genec View Post
NEVs? Are they wider than a typical bicycle... if so, why are they on a narrow path?
I had to look it up...we have a ton of them around here.

Neighborhood Electric Vehicle


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neighb...ectric_Vehicle

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Originally Posted by CliffordK View Post
It should be an easy problem to fix.

If people are parking in places only accessible from the path, show up with 2 or 3 tow trucks, and police cars to box them in so they can't drive out.

Snag a couple of cars, with say $1000 impound fees and fines. And the rest will disappear overnight.

Portland is supposed to be working on some longterm homeless camps in places they can be managed.
It should be an easy fix...According to the video in the OP's link the Portland cops know it's a problem and they wish they could do something, but they're stretched thin and can't keep up with the volume of calls they get everyday, so they have to make tough decisions, which means responding to more serious crimes.

Maybe they should send out all them social workers


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Then there's the homed guy who uses the Wy East trail as his personal Harley driveway, zipping past pedestrians and cyclists twice a day. Sometimes he has his Harley buddies over for a party; that's a nice surprise to walk around a corner on the mup to find yourself facing.
Dude likes to give the throttle a little tweak as he passes peds.

But he has a home, so whatever, right?

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Old 08-18-21, 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by genec View Post
Well, then you won't get to enjoy such treats as Powells Books or Pine State Bisquits.

Your loss.
Or the Rose and Japanese Gardens.
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Originally Posted by work4bike View Post
It should be an easy fix...According to the video in the OP's link the Portland cops know it's a problem and they wish they could do something, but they're stretched thin and can't keep up with the volume of calls they get everyday, so they have to make tough decisions, which means responding to more serious crimes.

Maybe they should send out all them social workers


I understand you are being smarky, but you actually hit the nail on the head. That's actually the crux of the whole "Defund the Police" thing some media sources would have you discount. Shifting funds back to the chronicly defunded social workers to address human issues before they become nuclear necessitating a police response. The problem is finding anyone willing to adequetly fund the social workers to address the human needs & the police enough to form healthy relationships in the community.

This is an absence of adequet government leading to anarchy story.

(Please, lets keep this out of P&R. Discussion about a topic doesn't mean advocacy for a position. )
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Old 08-18-21, 09:34 AM
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I'm seeing motorcycles, quads, etc on the MUPs here. Not actual automobiles yet. Pretty sure most of the rider's ain't homeless.

Some of the canals it's legal to drive on the utility road in places. So far nobody's driving as fast as the main roads.
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The largest vehicles I've seen on the local MUP have all been police cars, police motorcycles, and police quads (or university campus security).

I have, however, seen two places where the guard rails were damaged by something larger than a bicycle.
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I find it doubtful that social workers will instantly fix the homeless problem. It is possible they would be able to explain driving on a path is illegal (as is parking where there is no possible legal access). It certainly would be the first step.

There are a huge number of social programs and food programs for the poor. Section-8? Most should be aware of what is available. But there also isn't the moon.

As far as jurisdictional issues, there are city police, county sheriffs, and state police. Surely one could respond.

Who built and maintains the path?
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Originally Posted by genec View Post
NEVs? Are they wider than a typical bicycle... if so, why are they on a narrow path?
The path is typically wide enough for a bicycle to pass a NEV. They use the MUPs as the MUPs connect neighborhoods and parks.
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The path is typically wide enough for a bicycle to pass a NEV. They use the MUPs as the MUPs connect neighborhoods and parks.
I really have no answer to this... people are choosing all sorts of different and somewhat imaginative ways to get around, and AVOID the car traffic on the streets. Car traffic is seen as a problem, no doubt; so bikes, skates, skate boards, powered skateboards, scooters, electric scooters, segways, NEVs and things I don't even know about all are sharing paths with walking and running pedestrians and dogs on and off leashes... all to avoid interaction with automobiles. That has to say something about the annoyance of automobile traffic.

I remember the time I was shocked at encountering CTO of a major company on a segway in the bike lane I used for bike commuting in San Diego. We knew each other, so there wasn't any negativity there, and I applauded his use of alternate transportation... and as a cautious cyclist, I gave plenty of room to him.

I think the real issues arise when one group or another feels entitled, goes too fast, fails to yield to others, or in the case of dog leashes, fails to control.

Frankly, can't we all just get along?

But cars on the MUP... Uh, NO! They already have their designed and designated roads and highways. When I am allowed to ride my bike on any of the highways around (including interstates), well then we can negotiate. (yes, I know it is allowed on some interstate highways, but that is a rare exception)
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Originally Posted by CliffordK View Post
I find it doubtful that social workers will instantly fix the homeless problem.
Any problem that doesn't have an instant fix isn't worth solving.
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Once again ...

Seattle > Portland
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