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Old 09-23-21, 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by genec View Post
LOL... so you won't accept my opinion of a connector used by "a multibillion dollar company," but you will accept some vblogers opinion... got it.
??? You said you were "reporting news".

That "some vbloggers" opinion doesn't go against Apple's position at all. He also explains why Apple went with Lighting and kept it (stuff I've heard elsewhere too).

Your claim that it would be difficult for Apple to use USB-C on iPhones is borderline absurd.

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BTW, he also believes USB-C is going to be the universal standard:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9g5g4HWXxAk
??? Completely unsurprising. Seems like it's nearly there already. No one was arguing that it wouldn't.

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BTW, is this "clickbait" too?
You are being dense.

That link manages to avoid the "Apple is unhappy" junk in the headline (that's the clickbait) and avoids the setback nonsense in the body.

The Ars Technica headline manages to be matter-of-fact. The Verge's headline manages that too (and references iphones).

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Old 09-23-21, 05:00 PM
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Buy a few cheap cables and see if your devices will do "rapid charge" or high data transfer.
I've been using them for years and the answer is yes. Shrugs.
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I've been using them for years and the answer is yes. Shrugs.
Hey, good for you... when I use the cheap cables, my Samsung old phone says "use the cable/charger supplied."

On my computer it says "USB 2.0, higher data rates may be achieved by using USB 3.0 devices."

You must have found magic cables... of course that was "Dollar Store..." so maybe you got a great deal.
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....................... another divide in an ameriKa already divided
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....................... another divide in an ameriKa already divided
Yes, but not political in nature.

More of an issue of style verses function.

USB-C connectors work better, Lightening looks better. 3.5mm headphone jacks work better, BT headsets look better. Fat phones with big batteries work better and last longer, "thin" looks better.
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OOPS... sorry... the "symbol" for Apple is AAPL, not APPL. Oh well.
I thought the symbol for Apple was a pentagram star inside a ring of fire.
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Originally Posted by genec View Post
Hey, good for you... when I use the cheap cables, my Samsung old phone says "use the cable/charger supplied."

On my computer it says "USB 2.0, higher data rates may be achieved by using USB 3.0 devices."

You must have found magic cables... of course that was "Dollar Store..." so maybe you got a great deal.
Maybe I just don't need a $35 charging cable to be happy. 🙂
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Maybe I just don't need a $35 charging cable to be happy. 🙂
of course not... But your "device" might be happier...
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It says Europe has already made a decision, but maybe it's not too late to reconsider? XKCD has some really innovative ideas...

Memo Spike Connector:

"Backward-compatible to many existing cables, and can connect to phones or tablets if you press them down hard enough"

USV-C:

"Ultra-Serial Violet C light is unpolarized, so you don't have to flip the polarizing filter over when you get the orientation wrong the first time"
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of course not... But your "device" might be happier...
I like to live dangerously. My phone doesn't have health insurance and can't pay for depression therapy, so it might go postal one day. I think I can take my phone in a fair fight, but not if it gets the drop on me.

What I'd really like it's to have wireless changing built into the entire surface of all my tables and desk.
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All that EM radiation sounds like it would be really good for nads
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All that EM radiation sounds like it would be really good for nads
Good question. I have no idea what frequency at which they operate... I suspect low MHz. Still EM. And do the radiate all the time, or just when they "sense" a "client."
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in a context of talking about nads, those "" become extra suggestive
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All that EM radiation sounds like it would be really good for nads
I didn't realize you come charge them that way!
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I'm sure everyone can remember when the only way to get an ipod cable was to get one that said Apple on it. But that doesn't matter any more. The lawsuits are ten years behind the reality again.

We've melted a couple of those Anker cable connectors charging up Fire tabs.
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We have a standard...

https://www.theverge.com/2021/9/30/2...nding-standard

... and it's gone.

Anybody remember the "USB 3.2 gen 1 vs gen 2" mess?

https://www.theverge.com/circuitbrea...ps%20at%20once).

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Originally Posted by Darth Lefty View Post
I'm sure everyone can remember when the only way to get an ipod cable was to get one that said Apple on it. But that doesn't matter any more. The lawsuits are ten years behind the reality again.

We've melted a couple of those Anker cable connectors charging up Fire tabs.
Those ipod cables were so expensive, and "rare," and the two ipod users in my house had a bad habit of losing them... so I chained one to the computer. Strong cable ties and a short length of chain solved the problem... then.
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do we want the govt telling businesses how to manufacture their products?
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https://www.theverge.com/circuitbrea...ps%20at%20once).

Here’s how it all breaks down:
  • USB 3.2 Gen 1: originally known as USB 3.0, and previously renamed to USB 3.1 Gen 1. It’s the original USB 3.0 specification, and it can transfer data at up to 5Gbps.
  • USB 3.2 Gen 2: Previously known as USB 3.1, and then later as USB 3.1 Gen 2. It offers speeds at up to 10Gbps.
  • USB 3.2 Gen 2x2: formally known as USB 3.2, it’s the newest and fastest spec, promising speeds at up to 20Gbps (by using two lanes of 10Gbps at once).
So, USB 3.2 is USB 3.1 is USB 3.0. WTF?

It takes real work to mess things up as bad as they did here!

(The article describes a "reason" for the nomenclature but that's too confusing for consumer goods. Changing the name of existing standards is awful to do.)

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do we want the govt telling businesses how to manufacture their products?
Oh man, what a bag of trouble you just opened... The fact is "yes" to ensure that the products are safe, but the result is "no," as you end up with things like the stupid gas can filler fiasco.

There are standards and labs that verify those standards... the FCC for instance (government) certifies Cell Phones and the like, but the testing is done by independent labs. The government controls the power grid, but through independent operators. (thus Texas can fail in the winter) Standards are created in industry, and then registered with the government.

It is a cooperative effort.

Frankly, in this case, the EU (over there...) does dictate quite a bit of how things are made... thus controlling waste, and ensuring cross border compatibility. Here in the States United, can you imagine the headaches if each state did their own frequency allocation for cell phones, TVs and Radio? That is done at the federal level.

So the reality is that Apple can do what the heck they want (and they often do) but their market share is liable to be cut quite a bit if they fail to conform to "world standards."

Right now I have a deep file drawer full of connectors, adapters, chargers and cables due to the changing standards over my lifetime. Do you have that too?
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I absolutely DETEST the USB Micro B.



I consider it the WORST adapter ever invented. I have several devices that no longer are functional because they use the USB-B, and have chewed through far too many cables to count.

I'm just slowly migrating to the USB-C, so no long term experience yet.



I've liked the simplicity of the Apple cords, but don't have any data about the durability of the devices.

Anyway, I hope any new standards include choosing devices that can be regularly used for more than 6 months without destroying both the cords and the devices.

Ultimately, I think the solution will be to go with wireless charging for most devices that need repeated charging cycles. Perhaps push for more wireless data links too.

Could we see an end to regular use of cords?

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I absolutely DETEST the USB Micro B.



I consider it the WORST adapter ever invented. I have several devices that no longer are functional because they use the USB-B, and have chewed through far too many cables to count.

I'm just slowly migrating to the USB-C, so no long term experience yet.



I've liked the simplicity of the Apple cords, but don't have any data about the durability of the devices.

Anyway, I hope any new standards include choosing devices that can be regularly used for more than 6 months without destroying both the cords and the devices.

Ultimately, I think the solution will be to go with wireless charging for most devices that need repeated charging cycles. Perhaps push for more wireless data links too.

Could we see an end to regular use of cords?

Well apparently that was the "ultimate goal" envisioned by Apple and others... that you the consumer just get a glass panel with no user accessible holes and everything is wireless. I salute the industrial beauty of the design... but suspect that of course that won't be the case. There will likely be some "new" or proprietary connection that will be required, some how. And the reality is that phones at this time need holes for microphones and speakers.

But hey, who knows.

And thanks for the reminder... I just updated my phone from my old Samsung Galaxy S5... and the new beast can do wireless charging. Whoo hoo.

Of course I will never get to update my own battery again.
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Originally Posted by genec View Post
Well apparently that was the "ultimate goal" envisioned by Apple and others... that you the consumer just get a glass panel with no user accessible holes and everything is wireless. I salute the industrial beauty of the design... but suspect that of course that won't be the case. There will likely be some "new" or proprietary connection that will be required, some how. And the reality is that phones at this time need holes for microphones and speakers.

But hey, who knows.

And thanks for the reminder... I just updated my phone from my old Samsung Galaxy S5... and the new beast can do wireless charging. Whoo hoo.

Of course I will never get to update my own battery again.
Not a problem.

Hold your phone about shoulder height above a concrete or tile floor and drop it.

Then check out Youtube for all the ways to replace glass covers, lenses, and batteries.

It is amazing that we can make bullet proof transparent aluminum, but phones that explode on impact with a minor drop.
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Oh man, what a bag of trouble you just opened... The fact is "yes" to ensure that the products are safe, but the result is "no," as you end up with things like the stupid gas can filler fiasco.

There are standards and labs that verify those standards... the FCC for instance (government) certifies Cell Phones and the like, but the testing is done by independent labs. The government controls the power grid, but through independent operators. (thus Texas can fail in the winter) Standards are created in industry, and then registered with the government.

It is a cooperative effort.

Frankly, in this case, the EU (over there...) does dictate quite a bit of how things are made... thus controlling waste, and ensuring cross border compatibility. Here in the States United, can you imagine the headaches if each state did their own frequency allocation for cell phones, TVs and Radio? That is done at the federal level.

So the reality is that Apple can do what the heck they want (and they often do) but their market share is liable to be cut quite a bit if they fail to conform to "world standards."

Right now I have a deep file drawer full of connectors, adapters, chargers and cables due to the changing standards over my lifetime. Do you have that too?

Gas cans. Argh! I think I attacked the nozzle of our current gas can with a pair of ****s (Diagonal Wire Cutters) to cut the spring or something out.

It now works like a regular gas can. Or like a gas can did 20 years ago.
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Oh man, what a bag of trouble you just opened... The fact is "yes" to ensure that the products are safe, but the result is "no," as you end up with things like the stupid gas can filler fiasco.

There are standards and labs that verify those standards... the FCC for instance (government) certifies Cell Phones and the like, but the testing is done by independent labs. The government controls the power grid, but through independent operators. (thus Texas can fail in the winter) Standards are created in industry, and then registered with the government.

It is a cooperative effort.

Frankly, in this case, the EU (over there...) does dictate quite a bit of how things are made... thus controlling waste, and ensuring cross border compatibility. Here in the States United, can you imagine the headaches if each state did their own frequency allocation for cell phones, TVs and Radio? That is done at the federal level.

So the reality is that Apple can do what the heck they want (and they often do) but their market share is liable to be cut quite a bit if they fail to conform to "world standards."

Right now I have a deep file drawer full of connectors, adapters, chargers and cables due to the changing standards over my lifetime. Do you have that too?
Yes. We have an electronics junk drawer. Most things stay in there forever. Itís like the overstuffed closet in cartoons.

I pulled some junk out and stripped some wire to teach kids about continuity, series, parallel.
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