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Old 12-08-21, 01:23 PM
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Turns out Vikings aren't what we thought they were.


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Old 12-08-21, 01:34 PM
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Going to raid and pillage your town and steal all the beer. lol
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My father considered himself half Norwegian (his father from Oslo) and the other half Anglo/Scottish/Flemish mix but when he got his DNA analyzed there was a surprising amount of Greek in there that he can't account for.

(My theory is that Harald Hardrada produced a half-Greek love child when he was in Constantinople and brought that back to Norway and we are descended from that line, and we are the true kings of England and Norway).
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Comanches were raiders that were known to make braves out of pre-puberty captives. (Quanah Parker was born to a captive that eventually married a chief) Wouldn't surprise me at all if Vikings did similar
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Turns out Vikings aren't what we thought they were.
Who is 'we'? I never thought that.
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Who is 'we'? I never thought that.
I'm sure you didn't.
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I thought the VIkings would be at least a 4 win team. And I think they are at 5 now, so yea, they are exactly who I thought they were. But anyway, my youngest son was going to buy me one of those DNA things from ancestry or somewhere. I have always been told I was Irish and German with a little Scottish from the hill people in Kentucky. I don't know and I almost never think about it. But I dont think I want to know.
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The Vikings almost blew a 29-0 lead last night. The Steelers dominated the second half only losing 36-28 and they almost scored a TD late with a 2 point conversion would have been OT. The Minnesota Vicodins should be 10-2 not 6-6 …
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lol that first guy is so Dutch he sounds just like Goldmember from Austin Powers II

I have decided that's the voice I'm going to have in my head whenever I read @Stadjer's comments
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lol that first guy is so Dutch he sounds just like Goldmember from Austin Powers II

I have decided that's the voice I'm going to have in my head whenever I read @Stadjer's comments
Not to me, he's obviously Danish, but form outside that's just a tiny nuance in accent. The Dutch were victims of the Vikings, as soon as they were properly dealt with the Low Lands started blossoming.

What annoys me is that it's pretty well known that this corner of Europe has been busy with trade an exchange of people and cutlure for a very long time, and that blond hair was present in two regions, the around todays Baltic states and in Frysia, the strip of land stretching from just below Denmark to the Northern Netherlands, it has spread out but there are still very dark Fins for example, black hair and very dark eyes. This is all Nazi phantasy, this pure blood idea has had twenty years in Germany and 2 centuries in the Anglo-Saxon world, but that must be about it. And now it's presented like how we think of Vikings,
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Hmm, that 2nd guy whose first sentence is about the Danes, I assumed he is Danish, and he has a much milder accent. The first guy sounds over-the-top Dutch to me, but if Dutch and Danish are only subtly different, I wouldn't know.
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One thing about the Vikings, even with all that sailing and plundering and pillaging, they found time to keep their hair intricately styled and braided.

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One thing about the Vikings, even with all that sailing and plundering and pillaging, they found time to keep their hair intricately styled and braided.
To be fair... they may have done it once and then left it that way for a good long while. Which might have been the point of it-- set it and forget it. I doubt they got up every morning and did that.
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Maybe not......but the Bears however, are exactly who we thought they were!
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Hmm, that 2nd guy whose first sentence is about the Danes, I assumed he is Danish, and he has a much milder accent. The first guy sounds over-the-top Dutch to me, but if Dutch and Danish are only subtly different, I wouldn't know.
Danish sounds pretty different, much more than German for example. The simularity is in that this man is of a generation that was exposed to English a lot too late to have only a mild accent but is not trying to copy queen's English with a posh accent, nor does he go full Danish accent, but is comfortable and confident speaking English with an accent that feels good to him. The Dutch often do the same, not trying to speak the most English English they could because that would sound fake and horrible, get into a comfort zone somewhere in betweeen instead, but still speak with an attitude like this is how English should really be spoken.

But the difference are very hard to recognize from the outside, just I can't distinct between different Irish or Scottish accents and even the different English accents aren't obvious. I just don't hear it, unlike a native speaker. I can speak English with a French accent and fool most English in being French, but not a single French person in England.. This guy does a very heavy Dutch accent very well, but he's comfortable with hardly any accent too.
Couldn't find one for Danish but you already got an example of a moderately heavy Danish accent. So the question is, can you as a linguistical outsider hear the Difference?

Goldmember does not speak with a Dutch accent btw. For some reason Anglophones believe the Dutch pronounce the S and ST as SCH and SCHT like with Schweppes, but that is a German sound. The Dutch use SCH a lot, but not as pronunciation of the S or ST and always guttural.
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Cool, I'll check this out later. One of the things I enjoyed about living in UK for 2 years was learning to distinguish among the scads of regional (and some colonial) accents, I get that as a native Dutch speaker you have a better capability there.

And I believe when you say Mike Meyer's attempt at a Dutch accent was not good, his Scottish is not super awesome either (see Fat Bastard and the movie I Married an Axe Murderer)
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Cool, I'll check this out later. One of the things I enjoyed about living in UK for 2 years was learning to distinguish among the scads of regional (and some colonial) accents, I get that as a native Dutch speaker you have a better capability there.
I like that too, especially because the English tend to keep their accent rather than switch between dialect and "common" English. But I just don't hear a lot of the nuances just like I don't recognize a Dutch accent in every way when it's mild.

And I believe when you say Mike Meyer's attempt at a Dutch accent was not good, his Scottish is not super awesome either (see Fat Bastard and the movie I Married an Axe Murderer)
Making a funny movie is hard enough, I don't mind resources and effort not going into accurate representations. What does annoy me is the arrogance and indifference with which many British, in sports for example, pronounce foreign names. It's always a compromise when certain sounds don't exist in your own lanague and didn't learn them as a kid, but if you can do those sounds because they are present in English, make a little effort to get it close to right.
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That guy's video is interesting. He makes explicit some things that I wouldn't have been able to, but totally match what I hear from Dutch people I know. The sibilant t, the 'dis' for 'this', etc
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Whatever they were but they left a legacy behind. We still admire what they achieved in a very short time of combat history. From cloaks to weapons and everything was their own made. They left a legacy on battlegrounds.
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Whatever they were but they left a legacy behind. We still admire what they achieved in a very short time of combat history. From cloaks to weapons and everything was their own made. They left a legacy on battlegrounds.
Itís like the 9th century version of unexploded cluster munitions!

The more I learn about them the more I think they were just a band of humans pressing their advantage
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I thought the VIkings would be at least a 4 win team. And I think they are at 5 now, so yea, they are exactly who I thought they were. But anyway, my youngest son was going to buy me one of those DNA things from ancestry or somewhere. I have always been told I was Irish and German with a little Scottish from the hill people in Kentucky. I don't know and I almost never think about it. But I dont think I want to know.
Probably more than a little Scots. The Protestant immigrants from Ulster were mostly Scottish borderers that had sided with the Protestant side in the English religious conflict and were relocated to Ulster as a supposed reward by leaders like Cromwell who actually wanted them off his northern border where they were a constant source of trouble. They initially resided in stockades in Ulster as they were often in conflict with the Irish there. They often did the same over here particularly in Appalachia.

When they immigrated over here they initially settled in Pennsylvania and picked up a bit of German, Welsh and Huguenots along the way before migrating into Appalachia after the revolution. They bought their rifles from German American gunsmiths in Pennsylvania and enjoyed close relationships between the two ethic groups. Since they came from Ulster their descendants often think of themselves as Irish or "Scots Irish". Irish Catholics mostly immigrated later in the 19th Century often initially residing in NYC.

Most of the surnames in Appalachia are actually English whose forefathers often went into there after having served out or escaped from Indentured Servitudes in the tobacco plantations in the Carolinas. Quite a bit of Cherokee in the mix as they would woo or purchase wives from the Cherokee. Ulster Scots would come down as armed camps bringing their women with them.

So now you know.



Fran Tarkenton hardly fit the image of a burly Viking.
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Cool, I'll check this out later. One of the things I enjoyed about living in UK for 2 years was learning to distinguish among the scads of regional (and some colonial) accents, I get that as a native Dutch speaker you have a better capability there.

And I believe when you say Mike Meyer's attempt at a Dutch accent was not good, his Scottish is not super awesome either (see Fat Bastard and the movie I Married an Axe Murderer)
Thai migrants into Bangkok from northern Thailand have a dialect whereas the pronunciations differ widely from urban Thai. That's on top of a five tonal language with fifty six vowels and consonants. A lot of migrants from northern Thailand work as Samlor drivers. My less than rudimentary mostly monotone Thai with a nasal Texas accent was better left unpracticed with the Samlor drivers there. I think the locals probably struggled to understand it sometimes as well. Westerners don't mimic the tones very well and some are better left out with the urban listener figuring it out by the context of your conversation or just the sentence.

I once got a "Sorry Joe, no savvy" from a bus driver there, lol. But his English was relatively impeccable. He had learned it working at the wartime B52 base up in Ubon and spotted the Texas accent right away.
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