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Old 01-12-22, 03:45 PM
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Hi all, is there anyone from Vancouver or perhaps someone who has been there? My brother moved to Canada in search of something new. I bought a house and decided now to repair it or improve it, I honestly have not yet fully understood. In general, the problem is the complexity of material selection. I said to him "Ted, go to knowledgeable professionals let you all calculate and make a plan for the project," and he responded to me, "Nikolas, I understand, and without projects, not the first house I buy and know how to work with his hands. What to do with such a person? I'm trying to help, but I'm having a hard time.
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So you have depression and your brother is your business partner?
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Are you sure he's not from the other side of Canada... Quebec maybe???

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Can't really understand your post. You bought a house and want to fix it up and somehow it relates to a brother that lives in Vancouver now while you live in IL, did I get that? What material are you selecting? Rebuilding a house can be rewarding, but can take some real time, effort and know how.
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Canada is all igloos, right? So packed snow and ice is the building material of choice. I guess you could use some baby seal skins, too.
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Is the house in Canada or Illinois? Are you near the house or getting all this information about the house from your brother? If you're getting this information from your brother, is he at least sending you pictures and documents? I understand your frustration. You didn't really write enough information for readers to understand all the issues you may be dealing with. Flipping houses can be lucrative, but it is also risky. I make it a policy not to do business with family members. You must trust your brother a lot...
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Originally Posted by NikolasFarrel View Post
Hi all, is there anyone from Vancouver or perhaps someone who has been there? My brother moved to Canada in search of something new. I bought a house and decided now to repair it or improve it, I honestly have not yet fully understood. In general, the problem is the complexity of material selection. I said to him "Ted, go to knowledgeable professionals let you all calculate and make a plan for the project," and he responded to me, "Nikolas, I understand, and without projects, not the first house I buy and know how to work with his hands. What to do with such a person? I'm trying to help, but I'm having a hard time.
What's your question? It seems like your brother moved to Vancouver Canada, you're in Rockfield Illinois, you bought a house that needs to be fixed up and you want your brother to come back to Illinois to fix it for you? You bought the house, so its yours to work on and your responsibility, not his. Either hire a contractor (or contractors) to help you with it (one job/room at a time) or watch a lot of YouTube videos to become familiar with remodeling houses.
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Originally Posted by Russ Roth View Post
Can't really understand your post. You bought a house and want to fix it up and somehow it relates to a brother that lives in Vancouver now while you live in IL, did I get that? What material are you selecting? Rebuilding a house can be rewarding, but can take some real time, effort and know how.
I think what he's saying is that the brother bought a house to fix up, and OP is advising him to consult a pro for advice, and the brother is refusing to do so. And I assume OP is going to have to listen to all the whining and moaning from the brother when things then go wrong. So, to me, it seems the answer would be "tell him if he's not going to take advice, not to come complaining to you when it all goes sideways." (But that's easier said than done, to essentially tell a family member to piss off.)

(Or, we can wonder about OP and his posts.)
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Originally Posted by Kat12 View Post
I think what he's saying is that the brother bought a house to fix up, and OP is advising him to consult a pro for advice, and the brother is refusing to do so. And I assume OP is going to have to listen to all the whining and moaning from the brother when things then go wrong. So, to me, it seems the answer would be "tell him if he's not going to take advice, not to come complaining to you when it all goes sideways." (But that's easier said than done, to essentially tell a family member to piss off.)

(Or, we can wonder about OP and his posts.)
I rebuilt a house only 8 years ago from the 1700s from top to bottom, new siding, all new windows and doors, all new wiring, had to replumb the whole thing, added another bathroom and bedroom, heating and even milled my own trim. When I was done I had managed all of the work with occasional help from my FIL and father and everything was to code so anyone with the ability to read and use tools should be able to do it. However, the best advice I can give is the same advice my boss gave me that I didn't listen to. "you start with a gallon of lighter fluid and a match, then rebuild on the old foundation." Yup, should have done that.
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I wish I could edit the op to make some sort of sense in basic English.
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Old 01-15-22, 03:21 AM
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Originally Posted by SkinGriz View Post
So you have depression and your brother is your business partner?
Not that I'm depressed, I'm more confused. My brother and I always did everything together and he ended up deciding to distance himself. Very unaccustomed to me.
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Originally Posted by SkinGriz View Post
So you have depression and your brother is your business partner?
Originally Posted by zandoval View Post
Are you sure he's not from the other side of Canada... Quebec maybe???

Ya Gotta Admit... Coming up with your own complete plan right or wrong is so much more FUN!!!
I agree, when you come up with a plan and put it into action it's very cool and commendable, but too spontaneous. Although if you always go according to plan there are different circumstances that can hinder and spontaneity is the only way out) I probably the too philosophical approach to the answer.
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Originally Posted by Russ Roth View Post
Can't really understand your post. You bought a house and want to fix it up and somehow it relates to a brother that lives in Vancouver now while you live in IL, did I get that? What material are you selecting? Rebuilding a house can be rewarding, but can take some real time, effort and know how.
My brother bought a house in Vancouver and moved there to live. I wrote the post hoping to get some advice on how to help my brother with repairs and settling into his new place. I apologize if my post came out spontaneously. I am well aware that settling into a new place takes time and will require knowledge and funds.
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Originally Posted by mtnbud View Post
Is the house in Canada or Illinois? Are you near the house or getting all this information about the house from your brother? If you're getting this information from your brother, is he at least sending you pictures and documents? I understand your frustration. You didn't really write enough information for readers to understand all the issues you may be dealing with. Flipping houses can be lucrative, but it is also risky. I make it a policy not to do business with family members. You must trust your brother a lot...
Yes, it is my mistake as I did not specify the details and misled the readers. I'm so sorry. My brother bought a house in Vancouver and moved there afterward. It was spontaneous. And it threw me off somewhat. One could have purchased a home in one of the neighboring states, but he chose Canada. I don't condemn his decision, although it has caused some discomfort. Buying a property is a complicated process, and if buying in another country is even riskier. I completely agree with what you said.
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I rebuilt a house only 8 years ago from the 1700s from top to bottom, new siding, all new windows and doors, all new wiring, had to replumb the whole thing, added another bathroom and bedroom, heating and even milled my own trim. When I was done I had managed all of the work with occasional help from my FIL and father and everything was to code so anyone with the ability to read and use tools should be able to do it. However, the best advice I can give is the same advice my boss gave me that I didn't listen to. "you start with a gallon of lighter fluid and a match, then rebuild on the old foundation." Yup, should have done that.
I'm afraid my brother will go the same way. Did it take you long to rebuild? Did you do everything yourself or did you turn to professionals? I'm sorry I may be asking silly questions as I've never been into rebuilding, but I want to do something to help my brother.
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Originally Posted by Kat12 View Post
I think what he's saying is that the brother bought a house to fix up, and OP is advising him to consult a pro for advice, and the brother is refusing to do so. And I assume OP is going to have to listen to all the whining and moaning from the brother when things then go wrong. So, to me, it seems the answer would be "tell him if he's not going to take advice, not to come complaining to you when it all goes sideways." (But that's easier said than done, to essentially tell a family member to piss off.)

(Or, we can wonder about OP and his posts.)
Dealing with family members is always difficult, you rightly point out, especially when someone is stubborn. The post was written to get advice as I've never been into rebuilding plus I've never been to Vancouver, which throws me off. Perhaps my brother rushed into buying the house, but now it's too late to go back and he wants to finish what he started, although I could be wrong. It's complicated.
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I'm afraid my brother will go the same way. Did it take you long to rebuild? Did you do everything yourself or did you turn to professionals? I'm sorry I may be asking silly questions as I've never been into rebuilding, but I want to do something to help my brother.
Did it all, isn't hard when you take the time to research code and make sure at the least you stick to that. Building inspector showed up while I was working and told me I was doing more than I needed to on some window headers, I explained why I was doing it the way I was, the structural concerns I was addressing in rehabbing an old home. In this case it was having 2 6'x6' windows on the bottom, two 5'x5' windows directly above in a balloon construction and the upper window header was supporting the roof line. So instead of 2x8 and 2x10 headers I did 2x10 and 2x12 headers, triple thick for better tie in of the king and jack studs which were 2x6 to space out the walls to r19 insulation. None of the original windows were framed to begin with so I needed to do most of the work and I really wanted r19 being off the SE coast of Lake Ontario. Inspector never came back. Gave me the business cards of the two toughest electrical inspectors in the area, had one inspect for 250.00, handed the results to the inspector. He never bothered me again for the 3 years it took. Really I wasn't quite done the way I wanted. If I'd stayed one more year I was added a 16'x16' master bath in the walk in attic which is where I'd already added a hallway, 8'x10' full bath, cedar closet and another 8'x10' master bath with walk through closet to reach it. I would have added a back deck that surrounded the back half of the house with built in pool, window enclosed porch off the kitchen and replaced the downstairs floors to add radiant floor heating. When I was done to the level I was our biggest heating bill was $425.00 from having 3 arctic inversions in one month that sent temps to -20 without windchill for 12 days of the month total, we kept the house at 72*. In Aug our bill was 25.00 since we had spaced windows to create 4 separate blow throughs for the wind that kept the temp down and only had to run an AC for about a week during Aug. It was one 7000btu window unit in the upstairs off the stairway which kept everything comfortable. Total we estimate we spent about 40k on windows, doors, insulation, everything. But the house was well sealed.
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Did it all, isn't hard when you take the time to research code and make sure at the least you stick to that. Building inspector showed up while I was working and told me I was doing more than I needed to on some window headers, I explained why I was doing it the way I was, the structural concerns I was addressing in rehabbing an old home. In this case it was having 2 6'x6' windows on the bottom, two 5'x5' windows directly above in a balloon construction and the upper window header was supporting the roof line. So instead of 2x8 and 2x10 headers I did 2x10 and 2x12 headers, triple thick for better tie in of the king and jack studs which were 2x6 to space out the walls to r19 insulation. None of the original windows were framed to begin with so I needed to do most of the work and I really wanted r19 being off the SE coast of Lake Ontario. Inspector never came back. Gave me the business cards of the two toughest electrical inspectors in the area, had one inspect for 250.00, handed the results to the inspector. He never bothered me again for the 3 years it took. Really I wasn't quite done the way I wanted. If I'd stayed one more year I was added a 16'x16' master bath in the walk in attic which is where I'd already added a hallway, 8'x10' full bath, cedar closet and another 8'x10' master bath with walk through closet to reach it. I would have added a back deck that surrounded the back half of the house with built in pool, window enclosed porch off the kitchen and replaced the downstairs floors to add radiant floor heating. When I was done to the level I was our biggest heating bill was $425.00 from having 3 arctic inversions in one month that sent temps to -20 without windchill for 12 days of the month total, we kept the house at 72*. In Aug our bill was 25.00 since we had spaced windows to create 4 separate blow throughs for the wind that kept the temp down and only had to run an AC for about a week during Aug. It was one 7000btu window unit in the upstairs off the stairway which kept everything comfortable. Total we estimate we spent about 40k on windows, doors, insulation, everything. But the house was well sealed.
Wow, thank you so much for such a thorough response. Immediately see a man who understands or is very much interested in repair. My brother and I had a long discussion about where to start. I told him to worry about insulation right away. He agreed, and again he said he'd do everything himself. Once again we hit a dead end, although after a while Ted called me back and said he would consult with a specialist beforehand and also asked to find his windows and blinds. I don't know about windows, but so far I've been able to find blinds Sonata Design in Vancouver If he doesn't like it, he can always go around the local stores looking for the right blinds. Or ordering windows he will be able to order blinds. In general, I reread your recommendation several times and realized that without proper savings and enough time to do the repair is not worth it or just trust a knowledgeable professional.
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Did it all, isn't hard when you take the time to research code and make sure at the least you stick to that. Building inspector showed up while I was working and told me I was doing more than I needed to on some window headers, I explained why I was doing it the way I was, the structural concerns I was addressing in rehabbing an old home. In this case it was having 2 6'x6' windows on the bottom, two 5'x5' windows directly above in a balloon construction and the upper window header was supporting the roof line. So instead of 2x8 and 2x10 headers I did 2x10 and 2x12 headers, triple thick for better tie in of the king and jack studs which were 2x6 to space out the walls to r19 insulation. None of the original windows were framed to begin with so I needed to do most of the work and I really wanted r19 being off the SE coast of Lake Ontario. Inspector never came back. Gave me the business cards of the two toughest electrical inspectors in the area, had one inspect for 250.00, handed the results to the inspector. He never bothered me again for the 3 years it took. Really I wasn't quite done the way I wanted. If I'd stayed one more year I was added a 16'x16' master bath in the walk in attic which is where I'd already added a hallway, 8'x10' full bath, cedar closet and another 8'x10' master bath with walk through closet to reach it.
Sounds like it was a beautiful house. Did you make a profit when you sold it? Any pictures?
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If you can live in it while working it isn't so bad. I went to a place that sold error windows to save money which was easy to do since my house had no window frames. This let me get new construction windows with built in j-channel for easier integration of the siding. The nice thing about the new construction is the nailing flanges are easier to install flashing on in such a way that the windows are better sealed around the edges from wind, of course foam insulation around each window. For my work I had to do things one way but if the house is already livable it can make it easier to follow a different route. Start the summer by replacing every window and residing the house, it means that nothing will be pretty on the inside at each window, but if he can live in the house it won't matter and while it won't make it warmer in the winter, not having wind blowing through from new windows, new underlayment and proper window flashing will help the house stay comfortable.
Where I was, code required a rehab to have a minimum r15 insulation, which I convinced the inspector I would space the walls to 2x6 and install r19, if I had to do it again I would still space it but install rockwool insulation which will make a 2x6 space r21, you can install r15 into a 2x4 wall so I wouldn't have to space but I wanted the extra insulation. The rockwool is even better than fiberglass, the mice don't like it so it will help to keep them from nesting in the walls later on, it doesn't sag so you won't loose efficiency near the top of the walls as the years go by, and it maintains its r-rating better when the temps get below zero, fiberglass below certain temps looses efficiency which will matter in Canada. But you can move from room to room just doing insulation and exterior sheetrock which can be finished into the old interior walls without gutting them if you're careful. Only gut interior walls if you have to run new plumbing and it can be done quickly. My slowdown was the amount of time I had to spend watching 3 little kids while I worked.
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Nick - Contractors and "advisors" charge quite a bit. If your brother can handle avoiding hiring things out he'll save a lot of $$$. Much of Vancouver is a desirable area in terms of real estate values. If you aren't financially involved in your brothers venture, I wouldn't worry too much about it nor would I bother giving him advice. Sounds like he's not really into taking advice, so just encourage him on and let him share his progress with you.

My parents flipped houses for awhile when they retired before the real estate market had that big crash with all the loan fiasco stuff going on. They were buying small fixer uppers way below market value, updating them and then selling them at a profit. . Each house took 3 or 4 months to finish and they'd usually profit $20,000 to $30,000. They were doing it more for entertainment than to make money, but they got both out of the deal.

Your brother may or may not end up making money out of his purchase. It maybe he's not really thinking about that end of it. Especially if he plans to live in the house a long time...
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Sounds like it was a beautiful house. Did you make a profit when you sold it? Any pictures?
Sadly, I didn't sell it. My sister and her husband are idiots when it comes to money and were foreclosed on a couple weeks before I was getting ready to move and were forced to move out of their house about 2 weeks after I moved. So I signed the house over to my parents who live nearby and could keep an eye on it and she moved in, if she didn't have two kids to take care of she could have screwed off but she does.
My wife has all the pictures somewhere but going on google maps, there's a pic of house up close from before I started on the house, and another pic while the house is under construction taken from the main road. The ply on the porch makes the siding look unfinished there, but half the underlayment on the section with the scaffolding was reused siding that was flipped over and nailed flat and my ladder went through it. Although I had to patch some of the underlayment, this wall got some of the worst of the rain and the siding had rotted through. The studs under were actually solid though.


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Originally Posted by Russ Roth View Post
Sadly, I didn't sell it. My sister and her husband are idiots when it comes to money and were foreclosed on a couple weeks before I was getting ready to move and were forced to move out of their house about 2 weeks after I moved. So I signed the house over to my parents who live nearby and could keep an eye on it and she moved in, if she didn't have two kids to take care of she could have screwed off but she does.
My wife has all the pictures somewhere but going on google maps, there's a pic of house up close from before I started on the house, and another pic while the house is under construction taken from the main road. The ply on the porch makes the siding look unfinished there, but half the underlayment on the section with the scaffolding was reused siding that was flipped over and nailed flat and my ladder went through it. Although I had to patch some of the underlayment, this wall got some of the worst of the rain and the siding had rotted through. The studs under were actually solid though.


Thanks for sharing! Big adventure. Too bad it didn't work out as well as it could have!
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