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Old 03-15-22, 08:04 AM
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Time Travel...

Yeah, I enjoy a good time travel movie from time to time. "Back to the Future" was pretty good with their interpretation of time paradox, as was "Looper."

Now oddly enough, two recent movies I have seen both start off with the exact same phrase. "Time travel is real." It is almost as if "Hollywood" is trying to tell us something.

"The Adam Project" and a German made movie, (which, OK, excludes "Hollywood.") "Dark" both open with that "Time travel is real" quote.

Got my wife and I talking about time paradox and whether we would really know if time travel is real.
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I set my clocks forward an hour last weekend. Does that qualify as time travel?
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I recently saw the movie "About Time" which has a wonderfully light-hearted charming take on time travel as a central plot device in, of all things, a romantic comedy. Cute.
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.................................................... war enters the time space continuum
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Wheeler couldn't understand why every electron was identical. He thought this was something that needed an explanation, and a good one wasn't available at the time. So he came up with something clever. Every electron has the same charge, because there's only one of them. It vibrates in time, so at any moment it looks like there are many electrons, just like if you only see part of the scene a bend in a river can look like two rivers. The electron bounces forwards and back across time. It was a neat idea, but we've since learned that electrons are the same because they're excitations in the same field. So they march through time the same way we do.
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"You are very depressed. You are suicidally depressed. You have a gun. But you do not quite have the courage to point the gun at yourself and kill yourself in this way. If only someone else would kill you, that would be a good thing. But you can't really ask someone to kill you. That wouldn't be fair. You decide that if you remain this depressed and you find a time machine, you will travel back in time to just about now, and kill your earlier self. That would be good. In that way you even would get rid of the depressing time you will spend between now and when you would get into that time machine. You start to muse about the coherence of this idea, when something amazing happens. Out of nowhere you suddenly see someone coming towards you with a gun pointed at you. In fact he looks very much like you, except that he is bleeding badly from his left eye, and can barely stand up straight. You are at peace. You look straight at him, calmly. He shoots. You feel a searing pain in your left eye. Your mind is in chaos, you stagger around and accidentally enter a strange looking cubicle. You drift off into unconsciousness. After a while, you can not tell how long, you drift back into consciousness and stagger out of the cubicle. You see someone in the distance looking at you calmly and fixedly. You realize that it is your younger self. He looks straight at you. You are in terrible pain. You have to end this, you have to kill him, really kill him once and for all. You shoot him, but your eyesight is so bad that your aim is off. You do not kill him, you merely damage his left eye. He staggers off. You fall to the ground in agony"........................................................ more grasping at flaws
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I ordered a time machine from Amazon Prime it will be here tomorrow.
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Old 03-15-22, 11:04 AM
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I ordered a time machine from Amazon Prime it will be here tomorrow.
Should have been here yesterday.
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Originally Posted by DeadGrandpa View Post
I set my clocks forward an hour last weekend. Does that qualify as time travel?
I am sure it does Maybe you can write us a short essay and tell about everything what you see in the future.
And yep, if you are not good in writing it is very easy to use https://writinguniverse.com/free-ess...recovery-plan/ and get a professional written essay in some shorts terms. We are waiting for your stories.

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Originally Posted by Hondo Gravel View Post
I ordered a time machine from Amazon Prime it will be here tomorrow.


Originally Posted by genec View Post
Should have been here yesterday.



.... but yesterday was tomorrow
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But tomorrow is always a day away...
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Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure was one of my faves.

I recently read a short story where the twist was the traveler could only travel to inside her own mind, and to only one a specific day each year. She effectively tormented herself annually, even after realizing what she was doing to herself. Interesting.
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I've been reading this book. A different kind of twist on time travel - interesting because the story is a lot closer to being scientifically plausible. Not a classic time travel story with the classic paradoxes (killing your own grandmother before your mom is born), but a whole new set of paradoxes (ruling the world).
Sort of like DaVinci Code in the way everybody wants to get their hands on the secret and keep the other guys from getting it.

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A Gun For Dinosaur, L. Sprague Decamp:
https://www.baen.com/Chapters/978162...793614___2.htm

I really liked the tv show “Seven Days” because it was simple fun, but it had a basic unspoken problem. He was always, every week, going back to a time when the machine had never been used.
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.... but yesterday was tomorrow
when will THEN be NOW?

BTTF is really good not just because it made sense but also because they had sufficient development of the script to make the characters and their relationships interesting. The movie had a lot of garbage in development that was rightly tossed and underwent a nearly complete reshoot when they replaced method actor Stoltz with comic actor Fox

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.... but yesterday was tomorrow

No no no! Today is tomorrow's yesterday, get it right! Dammit, didn't you guys smoke a lot of weed and listen to trippy music while pondering such aphorisms when you were kids?
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No no no! Today is tomorrow's yesterday
... but but but if i were to visit tomorrow in order to go back and change yesterday so that i would be happy today then i would not need weed and all the $$$ i donated to NORML would have been wasted but i shoulda/coulda known that had i not got lost trippin
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I tried to read some of Wheeler, J. and Feynman, R. 1949. “Classical electrodynamics in terms of direct interparticle action,” Reviews of Modern Physics, 21 but my lava lamp wasn't bright enough and it's hard to understand this stuff in semi darkness so i set it aside for the TIME being
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A Gun For Dinosaur, L. Sprague Decamp:
https://www.baen.com/Chapters/978162...793614___2.htm
I'll see your "Gun for Dinosaur" and raise you "A Sound of Thunder."
A Sound of Thunder by Ray Bradbury
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I'll see your "Gun for Dinosaur" and raise you "A Sound of Thunder."
A Sound of Thunder by Ray Bradbury
both are great ............................. so Im folding my Terminator 1, 2, & 3 hand and y'all can split the pot
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I tried to read some of Wheeler, J. and Feynman, R. 1949. “Classical electrodynamics in terms of direct interparticle action,” Reviews of Modern Physics, 21 but my lava lamp wasn't bright enough and it's hard to understand this stuff in semi darkness so i set it aside for the TIME being
It all sounds very lava lampy. 🙂

There's an experiment called the "delayed choice quantum eraser" that's very bizarre and trippy in a lot of ways. One is that reality conspires with itself to prevent us from gaining certain knowledge. Another, on topic for this thread, is that if you set things up so that your ability to learn forbidden knowledge is lost after the particle hits the detector, what happens at the detector still depends on whether you can know. Something that hasn't happened yet appears to cause something that already has.
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It all sounds very lava lampy. 🙂

There's an experiment called the "delayed choice quantum eraser" that's very bizarre and trippy in a lot of ways. One is that reality conspires with itself to prevent us from gaining certain knowledge.this explains my inability to out Godel, Godel Another, on topic for this thread, is that if you set things up so that your ability to learn forbidden knowledge is lost after the particle hits the detector, what happens at the detector still depends on whether you can know. Something that hasn't happened yet appears to cause something that already has ... .
... have you been hacking into my alter alter ego
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I am still fond of this classic time travel movie, and I have a copy in my DVD collection.

First we lost Rod Taylor in 2015, and then lost Yvette Mimieux just this year.


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A friend of mine lent me his copy of Godel, Escher, Bach and refused to describe it. I probably wouldn't have read it if he had, and I'm glad I did.

I've always been fascinated with something Godel would be proud of. Cryptography. When you buy something online your computer does some clever math on your credit card number and then sends it over the wild internet to the store. The math makes it so only the people you want to read it can. When I first heard about that, it sounded like magic. Alchemy really. You can show somebody the puzzle and give them the math to undo it, and they can't unless you want them to.

It's all about time. Any encryption is breakable, but it would take tens of billions of years with a modern computer and you get a new card in four years.
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