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Old 06-02-22, 11:59 AM
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Haven't bought gas since some time in April. Ever since the early '90s, when not traveling, I have only bought gas at a small oil co 1 mile from the house. No price displayed on the card reader, pumps, or anywhere else. Get a bill in the mail once a month. They charge a few % over wholesale. No weekend, holiday or seasonal gouging to worry about. The state has also been known to temporarily suspend gas taxes during such "emergencies".
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Originally Posted by FBOATSB View Post
Haven't bought gas since some time in April. Ever since the early '90s, when not traveling, I have only bought gas at a small oil co 1 mile from the house. No price displayed on the card reader, pumps, or anywhere else. Get a bill in the mail once a month. They charge a few % over wholesale. No weekend, holiday or seasonal gouging to worry about. The state has also been known to temporarily suspend gas taxes during such "emergencies".
That sounds great! A real time saver!

I don’t think there is anything like that around me.
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An electric car also doesn't cost $60k any more. Every major manufacturer has a $60k vehicle though.

A $60k vehicle of any kind is just wrong. (Squinting at Mr. Bro-truck over there.)

Tax credits are what enabled my cash/trade transaction on my average (for my area) household income. All it took was a moment of curiosity & an evening of research. Then, the tiniest bit of resourcefulness. What I was looking for was at the car dealership literally down the street. $4000 of cash + the 30mpg guzzler of a sedan. In, out, done.
I don't have any moral issue with anyone buying a $60K or $600K vehicle for that matter as long as they pay for it themselves. Tax credits are just wrong.

From my looking at the actual out the door real prices of electric vehicles, they range from $40K to $140K depending on what you buy. Most rich people looking for the max tax handout are spending at least $60K

To have qualified for the $13K tax credit, one would have had to pay that in income taxes. See the point? Anyone who can afford to dump a relatively new 30 mph gas vehicle, can swallow the whole cost themselves or at least keep their smug resourcefulness out of a discussion about fuel prices
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Old 06-02-22, 12:32 PM
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You might be surprised. Just look for some places that service fleet accounts who need get fuel 24/7. In my case, this is where the Cops and the FD can get fuel anytime day or night.
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Originally Posted by work4bike View Post
I ride my so much in lieu of driving I don't even know what the prices are now.
I can tell you the next time I need to put gasoline in the leaf blower. I buy a gallon once a year.
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Originally Posted by FBOATSB View Post
You might be surprised. Just look for some places that service fleet accounts who need get fuel 24/7. In my case, this is where the Cops and the FD can get fuel anytime day or night.
And individual consumers can subscribe?

I’ll look into this.
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Old 06-02-22, 12:48 PM
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Some don’t seem to know that those who are buying new expensive BEV’s now are also helping to fund the research and development for better batteries that will give more mileage, for the advantages of the circular use of raw materials, both helping to lower the price of BEV’s to come and more importantly get us away from the negative consequences of using fossil fuels…. I would hope the cost of gas and maintenance for ICE cars really helps them become better educated on the subject especially those who live in areas where renewable energy availability is growing, but then….and so it goes.
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Gas here is going up 3 cents per liter tonight, bringing it to $2.13 CDN per liter.

3.8 liters per US gallon = $8.094 CDN per US gallon

xe.com says $8.094 CDN = 6.4318062 US Dollars1 CAD = 0.795032 USD

1 USD = 1.25781 CAD
So - $6.43 USD per US gallon here

fun!
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Old 06-02-22, 05:09 PM
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Gas prices ? What gas prices ?

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Old 06-02-22, 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Korina View Post
We've done it; our local gas prices have hit $7.17/gal., $2/gal. in two months. Mind, this is the premium stuff, but Kaylee demands the best. I'm sure prices will continue to climb. We don't drive her too often, and she's a sipper not a gulper, but daaamn.

How's it looking in your area?

I checked Gas Buddy, and how about that town of Mendocino further south, coming in at 9.45 for regular.
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Old 06-03-22, 03:59 AM
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Originally Posted by GhostRider62 View Post
I don't have any moral issue with anyone buying a $60K or $600K vehicle for that matter as long as they pay for it themselves. Tax credits are just wrong.

From my looking at the actual out the door real prices of electric vehicles, they range from $40K to $140K depending on what you buy. Most rich people looking for the max tax handout are spending at least $60K

To have qualified for the $13K tax credit, one would have had to pay that in income taxes. See the point? Anyone who can afford to dump a relatively new 30 mph gas vehicle, can swallow the whole cost themselves or at least keep their smug resourcefulness out of a discussion about fuel prices
Some states don't have an income tax.
The $1200 sales tax I didn't pay is what made the difference.

It's not like I don't pay a $75 annual EV penalty every time I buy license tabs. So, I own the used car 16 years...That 1 time sales tax benefit is recovered.

I'm not really sure what you are arguing here. Are you also against the $18.5 trillion of annual tax benefit/special treatment to the oil & gas industry that fundamentally shifts the market artificially lowering the commodity price? 'Cause if that is what you are arguing to remain ideologically consistent, then you will find we are in agreement.

If you are arguing that I am somehow being smug, holier-than-thou a-hole for finding a way to live within my means on a bike mechanics salary, then I don't really know what to tell you. People who are not concerned about ongoing operating expenditures of their lives don't really have much of a leg to stand on when those expenditures change.

2022 Nissan Leaf $27400 cash before tax credit. by Richard Mozzarella, on Flickr

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Old 06-03-22, 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by base2 View Post
Some states don't have an income tax.
The $1200 sales tax I didn't pay is what made the difference.

It's not like I don't pay a $75 annual EV penalty every time I buy license tabs. So, I own the used car 16 years...That 1 time sales tax benefit is recovered.

I'm not really sure what you are arguing here. Are you also against the $18.5 trillion of annual tax benefit/special treatment to the oil & gas industry that fundamentally shifts the market artificially lowering the commodity price? 'Cause if that is what you are arguing to remain ideologically consistent, then you will find we are in agreement.

If you are arguing that I am somehow being smug, holier-than-thou a-hole for finding a way to live within my means on a bike mechanics salary, then I don't really know what to tell you. People who are not concerned about ongoing operating expenditures of their lives don't really have much of a leg to stand on when those expenditures change.

2022 Nissan Leaf $27400 cash before tax credit. by Richard Mozzarella, on Flickr

This is not a thread about electric vehicles, how about that.

I am not arguing anything.
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.. both helping to lower the price of BEV’s to come and more importantly get us away from the negative consequences of using fossil fuels….
All while ignoring the fossil fuels required to mine, ship and manufacture the batteries for EVs and the negative impacts to the environment and ignoring the fossil fuels that will be used to charge all of these cars. EVs are nothing more than robbing Peter to pay Paul.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/202...secret-lithium

https://therevelator.org/ev-batteries-seabed-mining/

I love how people think EVs are better.
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Old 06-03-22, 06:25 AM
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All while ignoring the fossil fuels required to mine, ship and manufacture the batteries for EVs and the negative impacts to the environment and ignoring the fossil fuels that will be used to charge all of these cars. EVs are nothing more than robbing Peter to pay Paul.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/202...secret-lithium

https://therevelator.org/ev-batteries-seabed-mining/

I love how people think EVs are better.
It only takes 30,000 gallons of Atacama desert water to mine the lithiumfor one EV battery. Let the Bolivians in the region drink cake.
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At these prices, for now... I've eliminated any unnecessary driving. I've begun riding my bike to the gym and other errands less than 2 miles. It's about the only way I can feel like I'm sticking it to the "Man".
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All while ignoring the fossil fuels required to mine, ship and manufacture the batteries for EVs and the negative impacts to the environment and ignoring the fossil fuels that will be used to charge all of these cars. EVs are nothing more than robbing Peter to pay Paul. I love how people think EVs are better.
Perhaps you didn’t understand the “the advantages of the circular use of raw materials” in my post! You should look into the advances in battery technologies, especially in “recycling” and those consequences on even today's much lower lifetime GHG emissions from BEV’s over ICE vehicles. Swedish manufacturer Northvolt is already producing 100% recycled lithium-ion battery cells for use in BEV’s and also for renewable energy storage. Others are also doing it. As large scale recycling, robotics, automation and grid decarbonization is used in the recycling that will make the recycling of a BEV lithium-ion battery not only much less dependent on new raw materials but also will make for even much lower lifetime GHG emissions than even now in relation to ICE vehicles!!

btw….you should look into the new biological system methods for the environmentally and sustainability of mining lithium. Also one of my work projects is working with the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory on the geothermal resources and lithium in Ca’s. Salton Sea area that will not only provide renewable energy but more importantly environmentally safe and sustainable geothermal brine lithium extraction in the area. The future also will see cheaper, lighter, safer, and more powerful batteries being developed to replace lithium ones. One example is the already produced solid state batteries that will have the same capacity as current lithium-ion batteries and be produced faster, cost less, and be smaller and recyclable. An education on the subject would be good for you!!!
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It's just north of $5/gal for 89/reg, in my area. Up from ~$2/gal 2yrs ago.
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Well, it's all about the price of oil. Any factor above that is local - either taxes or your supplier having pricing power. The National Average price last week was $4.76. Below is a chart that shows, for the last 10 years, how prices at the pump track the price of good ol' West Texas Intermediate Crude. World supply, nothing to do with Washington. Talk to your State Representative about taxes.

Orange line - National Avg Pump Price - Regular; White line - WTI Crude Weekly, 10 yrs
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Gas price dropped from about $4.77 gallon to $4.53 locally, after NY State dropped some taxes. Its a help, saved me $4 or so yesterday when I filled up.
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High gas prices (relatively) and the utter lack of gasoline in the '70s is what convinced me to take up cycling for transportation... at that time I was sure we were going see to at least one day of no driving a week. That obviously never happened... and the US consumer was later enticed into buying gas guzzling SUVs. Consumer memory is very short lived, and incredibly fickle.

I bike commuted for well over 35 years, back and forth to work, due to that early "energy crisis." I honestly believe it did my heart and body good.

One would hope more folks would take up cycling... with $7, $8 and higher gas prices... I am not holding my breath... as I mentioned... consumers are fickle.
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Originally Posted by blacknbluebikes View Post
Well, it's all about the price of oil. Any factor above that is local - either taxes or your supplier having pricing power. The National Average price last week was $4.76. Below is a chart that shows, for the last 10 years, how prices at the pump track the price of good ol' West Texas Intermediate Crude. World supply, nothing to do with Washington. Talk to your State Representative about taxes.

Orange line - National Avg Pump Price - Regular; White line - WTI Crude Weekly, 10 yrs
It doesn't matter what the facts are... the short sighted consumer will simply blame the current administration for the current price of gas... and then make dumb voting decisions.
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Reminded of a quote from engineering school days: "The faster ya wanna go, the more it costs." I think that's Newton's Fourth Law...
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<rant=Boomer> I'm from the go outside and play generation. We rounded up the other neighborhood kids and set up ramps to jump our faux Schwinn stingrays. We caught crawdads down at the creek, fished local ponds, played basketball in each others driveways, etc. I loath the haul your kids here, and then haul your kids there generation. Suspend all school sports, throw out all the video games, and get your kids outside. Watch those gas prices plummet. </rant>.
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I thought I'd get some fuel before it got any higher--Just over $1200.US and I didn't even fill the tank. Ho hum....
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