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Old 09-15-05, 07:17 PM
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SUVs Are Their Own Reward

SUV's used to bug me more than they do now. Seeing people do dumb things makes me uncomfortable. And, they are, for the most part wasteful - that aggravated me more. But I finally realized that what I should do is just enjoy the situation. The nimrod driving alone in her Ford Excursion having trouble find a parking place? That's pretty funny. The guy with the Hummer who thinks he is incredibly macho? Just think what it costs him to buy new tires. That's even funnier.

Today I ran across this Washington Post story, printed yesterday. It sums up the folly and demonstrates that foolish choice eventually come back to bite one.

With gas prices in the Washington area higher than most places in the country, many drivers of the least fuel-efficient cars are especially feeling the pain and are looking to downsize to a vehicle that gets more than 15 miles to the gallon.

But selling an SUV may also be a pain. Sales of the largest General Motors and Ford SUVs have plummeted in the past year. Car dealerships in the Washington area and around the country are flooded with used SUVs they find difficult to unload. SUV owners are finding that their cars are depreciating quickly, mostly because manufacturers offered steep discounts on new models, causing the older ones to fall in price.

The resale values of the biggest and most expensive SUVs are dropping the fastest. A 2004 Ford Expedition, a monstrous vehicle with three rows of seats, has dropped nearly 10 percent in value, or $2,400, since the beginning of the year, to $22,200, according to Kelley Blue Book. The company said a 2004 Hummer H2, a smaller version of the wide, four-wheel-drive military vehicle, was worth $41,700 in January. Its current value is $39,000, a loss of 6.5 percent.

"Used SUVs are down more than normal" in value, said Kelley spokeswoman Robyn Eckard. "You can get a really good deal on a 2003 or 2004 SUV right now because prices have dropped so much."

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The shift away from SUVs, which has been happening gradually over the past seven years, is now permanent for certain kinds of buyers, [Art Spinella, who tracks car-buying trends at CNW Market Research] said. "This gas price run-up has effectively cooled any desire for buying an SUV for a fashion statement," he said. "A good two-thirds of people were buying them not to carry people or things around."
The whole article is here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...091302063.html

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I simply cannot wait until all the aging SUVs are handed down to teenage drivers.
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Originally Posted by filtersweep
I simply cannot wait until all the aging SUVs are handed down to teenage drivers.
Ouch. That will make things a lot less funny. On the other hand, it could accelerate the evolution of the species.
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That's true over here too. Someone in our club has recently bought a 2002 Range Rover Vogue solely for trials. As you can imagine having a vehicle which has 30 odd years of technical development over the rest of the class has it's benefits.
Luckly I'm in the 'moddified' class but no doubt these newer vehicles will become more popular and the specialists will start bringing out bolt on goodies
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If the price of new SUVs comes down far enough, I might consider buying one for an offroad playtoy. Maybe they can be converted into something that is competant...at some level.

I don't see people baja-ing around or plowing snow in Excursions. I rarely see one with a tow hitch, though this may just be true of my part of the country. These things might make sense for carpooling or transit companies, though diesel power would be preferred over gas.
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The only time (other than driving style) that SUV's annoy me is when they are Driver-Only.

No passengers, no cargo (other than scattered McDonald's bags and a hula-girl dashboard dancer). Just a daily driver.

There is a girl that works in the same building as I do who switches between driving a HUMMER and driving a Yukon Denali. She doesn't drive with any passengers, she doesn't need it for work (she's a secretary working for "play money"), and has no real reason other than "I can" for driving such massive vehicles.

It really isn't that I don't like them for their fuel inefficiancy, because in the end, if you can afford it, fine, do what you want with your money. What I despise is the attitude of the typical SUV driver for doing something "because I can" or so that "others know that I can".

I've always driven simple cars (85 Reliant, 90 Laser [not Blazer], 01 Sebring), my current car is the "nicest" I've ever owned but I still don't swell with pride when I refer to my car. In the end, all it does is get from Point A to Point B and then eventually back to Point A.

My Dad drives a 99 GMC Sierra. Not great on gas, but not horrible either. He bought it because at least 3-4 times per month we need to haul something somewhere, pull a trailor, help someone move, whatever. Also, we don't live too far from his work, so the gas cost isn't too expensive. For the last 6 months he has been bike commuting (weather permitting). During the huge gas price boom while everyone was complaining about the prices he could honestly say "I havn't filled up in a little over a month. I think I paid $2.10 or so" while the sign across the street was at $2.99.
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I was car shopping a couple of weeks ago (i bought a 2006 VW Jetta TDI) and the price of used SUVs was nuts. They cant give them away. Even the place i bought my TDI has alot of Touregs on the lot. On my training ride over the last weekend, i saw quite of few Suburbans and the like with for sales signs in them. I expect this trend to get worse. Part of the backlash of this is a reported increase in the number of motorcycles accidents. Lots of new riders out there now (myself included).
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Originally Posted by InfamousG
The only time (other than driving style) that SUV's annoy me is when they are Driver-Only.

No passengers, no cargo (other than scattered McDonald's bags and a hula-girl dashboard dancer). Just a daily driver.

I've always driven simple cars (85 Reliant, 90 Laser [not Blazer], 01 Sebring), my current car is the "nicest" I've ever owned but I still don't swell with pride when I refer to my car.
And I suppose they were all single seaters?
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Originally Posted by heckflosse
That's true over here too. Someone in our club has recently bought a 2002 Range Rover Vogue solely for trials. As you can imagine having a vehicle which has 30 odd years of technical development over the rest of the class has it's benefits.
Luckly I'm in the 'moddified' class but no doubt these newer vehicles will become more popular and the specialists will start bringing out bolt on goodies
It was interesting over here that the old Wrangler (YJ) had ok aftermarket support, but when the new one came out in 97 (TJ) the aftermarket went nuts with support. Around here you barely see an UNmodified one; even dealers are selling them with aftermarket suspensions. Alas, we don't get the same vehicles you do over there; the Liberty finally got a diesel option this year, but that rig isn't so hot for offroad. What I'd really like to see is the 'yota HiLux, with a diesel, like they get in Oz. All they offer here are petrol versions. Gr.
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I liked teh comment about teenagers driving SUVs, though we have to be very cautious...two things will happen, number of cyclists getting run over by SUVs may increase, as teenages IMO does not have the experience to handle bike and cars. Also, the number of deaths due to flipped SUVs may also increase. Something to think about.
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Originally Posted by heckflosse
And I suppose they were all single seaters?
I'm not saying that everyone should ride a motorcycle if they don't have cargo. For most people (myself included) a small-midsize 2-4 passenger car is the most practical route.

The 85 Reliant could seat a cramped 5, but typically there were 2 people in it (carpooling).
The 90 Laser was a 2-seater (technically it had 4 seats, but my 5 year old cousin had no leg room when in the back seat). Typically, I was alone as this was after high school and there weren't people needing rides where I was going.
My current car can comfortably seat 5, but again, typically it is only myself driving. However, it gets 2-4 times the gas milage of SUV's currently on the market. I could afford more vehicle than I have, but it's not necessary since I don't think I need to impress anyone with my vehicle.
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Originally Posted by FatguyRacer
On my training ride over the last weekend, i saw quite of few Suburbans and the like with for sales signs in them. I expect this trend to get worse.
Or without disagreeing with you, "get better."
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I own an SUV that I use to tow and drive off road. I too scratch my head as to why anyone who doesn't need one for it's unique capabilities would buy a SUV. But it's a free country and you don't have to take an IQ test to write a check.

As for the stalled SUV sales, this happened before the most recent run up in gas prices. The credit ratings of Ford and GM were downgraded this past spring in large part because of this. For GM it's mostly related to the ageing platforms of their current lineup.

No doubt that the current gas price situation isn't helping SUV sales but the depreciation levels shown in the Post article is more akin to lying with statistics. Most of these vehicles lose 60 to 70% of their value over the first five years of their life. How much would that be every year? And that's without $3/gallon gas prices. So a Hummer losing 6% in 8 or 9 months is normal. Also, car dealers don't use Kelly Blue Book to put a number on a trade. They go by auto auction results, the largest being Manheim. Dealers can access most recent sale results online and that's the amount they pay for a trade in. Dealers in the Northeast use a dealers only pricing service, Galves. Kelly doesn't relate at all to either of these services. Kelly is supported by dealers because the retail numbers published in their book are very high and this enables the dealers to maximize gross on their used car inventories. To combat the high wholesale numbers published by Kelly dealers tell the ostinate, informed used car seller that if Kelly will offer that for their cars they should sell it to Kelly. That usually ends that part of the discussion. Reality is, most people have no idea how much they really got for their trade. The problem with Kelly is that they're primarily a collector of statictial data with no bearing to what's happening on the street.

The people who can afford these cars can afford to put gas in them but still reserve the right to complain. The way it is.
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Or without disagreeing with you, "get better."


My pickup truck will be joining them as soon as i get a utility/motorcycle trailer to use with the wife's Jeep Cherokee.
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My current car can comfortably seat 5, but again, typically it is only myself driving. However, it gets 2-4 times the gas milage of SUV's currently on the market. .
Please list the makes and mileages of the SUv's you are referring to
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In my case, just about all of them. I'm getting close to 50mpg, and that 2-3x better than just about every SUV sold. Even the Liberty Diesel. Very dissapointing that SUV is.
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In my case, just about all of them. I'm getting close to 50mpg, and that 2-3x better than just about every SUV sold. Even the Liberty Diesel. Very dissapointing that SUV is.

YES, A VW TDI is about the wisest choice out there.
I doubt Infamous G is getting 50....
We need to lift the ban on importing Foreign Vehicles and get stuff
like the Focus 3 cylinder diesel that gets about 50 and other misers.
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YES, A VW TDI is about the wisest choice out there.
I doubt Infamous G is getting 50....
We need to lift the ban on importing Foreign Vehicles and get stuff
like the Focus 3 cylinder diesel that gets about 50 and other misers.
My BMW K1200LTC gets about 50mpg on the highway. It's fast and fun to ride and has roll on performance that doesn't quit!

On a slower more practical note my Honda Reflex scooter gets 62-74mpg. It, also, is a total blast to ride. I use it to ride to my office.

New Honda commuter car coming to a dealer near you next year. Should go for about 10Gs and will get high gas mileage.
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You wont have long to wait. The diesel fuel standards are due to change next year to a low sulpher content fuel. This will help pave the way for more cars to meet the emmissions standards for diesel.
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