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Old 12-15-05, 12:44 AM
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New generation is spoiled to hell...

The new generation of people that use computers is ridiculously spoiled...

I remember the days of Windows 3.1 and Windows 3.11. My very first computer was a 100mhz, 1mb ram, 512mb hard drive space, floppy only BEAST!.

I thought I ruled the neighborhood with my machine. It was nearly 3k when we bought it...

I know some of you guys go back to the earlier days, but this is pretty far back. I remember it took a good 2minutes + to load windows. I knew command prompt like the back of my hand! I remember going online for the first time when I bought a 14.4k modem. I remember downloading one picture that was 2mb. It took almost a full day to download that picture. I remember being disconnected from the internet when someone called my house. I remember the time when I got 28.8k and thought I ruled the whole neighborhood! 56.6k was l33t. Hell, I remember when people started saying leet and l33t instead of elite. I remember when being called a newbie was acceptable.

As technology improved, I was always happy and greatful. I would remember the days that I struggled and realize that was good experience. I knew what it was like when it first developed. I had that experience.

Now adays, everyone complains that their computer isn't "fast enough" or it "doesn't let me do this", or "This is too hard", "I dont like all these menu's".

OMG. Give you command prompt so you can STFU. I want to see you transfer folders in command prompt and then get back to MyComputer and realize how stupid your being.

People refuse to learn anything now adays. They just want to be spoon fed.

"Oh my computer is old", 2ghz, 512ram, cable, 56mb graphics card is old??? All they do is use it to type things up in Word.

I remember when it was cool to use Notepad and Wordpad. (I stuck with Notepad until instructors started demanding exact font size and odd border styles and such). I remember making websites through notepad and creating my first program through C.

The new age is spoiled. Components are cheap and upgrades are endless. No one really appreciates the technology that we have today

Whats your take on it? What was your memorable experience with your old computer?
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PS: if you go pre my 100mhz beast, I applaud you , Those were the days.
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NEWBIE became popular from gaming..
I remember playing Warcraft I for the first time
I remember playing Starcraft for days straight.

Alot of the words that people use now adays were generated through the good era of computers
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c:\Bikeforums\> del ovolegrant*.*
FILE NOT FOUND

arrgh why isn't this working??!?
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Old 12-15-05, 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by ovoleg
PS: if you go pre my 100mhz beast, I applaud you , Those were the days.
heh, heh... I remember writing assembly for the 6502 and 8051 running at a whopping 1mhz! And we had code that would erase itself and load new portions from tape because there was only 4k of memory to work with...

And computers nowadays ARE slow. Way too much bloatware and inefficient coding. I've still got clients on 150mhz Pentiums running WFW-3.11 using Wordperfect and they boot up in 30-seconds and are ready to go to work! Compare that with over 3-minutes for XP to load (when you can actually do something, not when the desktop appears at 50% through). Unfortunately the hardware can only progress at a certain rate, but bloated software grows exponentially faster...


Originally Posted by ovoleg
The new generation of people that use computers is ridiculously spoiled...

People refuse to learn anything now adays. They just want to be spoon fed.

The new age is spoiled. Components are cheap and upgrades are endless. No one really appreciates the technology that we have today

Whats your take on it?
Yeah, I guess this is the age and generation of entitlement, they want everything done for them. Life is way too easy, why bother? Drive the car a block to get ice-cream from your local 7-11, cell-phones everywhere, a variety of retailers to wait on you hand and foot. But it won't last, these kids are idiots, not much good for anything other than working as checkers and stockers for Wally World. The numbers going into advanced engineering fields in school is abysmally limited compared to the Europeans or Asians. There's a time-delay that's gonna catch up with us, more and more of our jobs requiring skilled labor and technical expertise is going to be moved offshore because of this lack of skills domestically. These spoiled brats wants the highest-wages, guaranteed, for doing mindless work. They can whine all they want, I'm shipping their jobs offshore!

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Old 12-15-05, 01:25 AM
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My first computer was the original IBM PC.
Intel 8088 4.77 MHz. (16 bit processor with a 8 bit memory bus.)
8087 math coprocessor. (floating point operations were on a separate chip.)
Maxed out at 640KB RAM.
20MB (not GB) hard drive
one full height 5.25" floppy drive.
I ran various version of PC-DOS and MS-DOS from 3.x to 5.0.
CGA (color graphics adapter) graphics card could support up to 4 colors at a time in 320x200 resolution. That's right, only 2 bits per pixel. But it could show 16 colors in text mode. But only the same 16 colors, ever.
I added a sound blaster, a joystick port, and a serial port (it only came with keyboard and... CASETTE ports built in). Windows never ran on it. I didn't have a printer.
Modem was 2400 bps.
I used that computer from 1987 - 1993 (it was already obsolete in 87 so it was quite time) when I upgraded to top of the line 486 at 66MHz, 300MB HD, 16MB RAM. Added 14.4kbps modem. Since then I've upgraded when I can get about 6 times as fast as the previous computer. More or less.
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Does what you first used at work count?

The first computer I owned was an Amiga 2000 in 1988 with two floppy drives.

However the first computer I ever wrote code for in anger in my first job in 1979 was a Digital DEC-10 with 32K of core memory (I won't explain, you'll just have to Google it,) and a bank of 20MB removable drives that were each the size of washing machines. The CPU and memory cabinets were about 15m long and 2m tall, and the system ran an admissions system for four hospitals with dozens of users.
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Originally Posted by DannoXYZ
Yeah, I guess this is the age and generation of entitlement, they want everything done for them. Life is way too easy, why bother? Drive the car a block to get ice-cream from your local 7-11, cell-phones everywhere, a variety of retailers to wait on you hand and foot. But it won't last, these kids are idiots, not much good for anything other than working as checkers and stockers for Wally World. The numbers going into advanced engineering fields in school is abysmally limited compared to the Europeans or Asians. There's a time-delay that's gonna catch up with us, more and more of our jobs requiring skilled labor and technical expertise is going to be moved offshore because of this lack of skills domestically. These spoiled brats wants the highest-wages, guaranteed, for doing mindless work. They can whine all they want, I'm shipping their jobs offshore!
I agree, however, aren't there tons of people flooding the medical and engineering fields?

I have alot of friends that are rushing for medicine as this will yield the most money(as they think)
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Originally Posted by Funkychicken
c:\Bikeforums\> del ovolegrant*.*
FILE NOT FOUND

arrgh why isn't this working??!?
I had to move it to d: because c: was filled with rants ;D
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Originally Posted by ovoleg
PS: if you go pre my 100mhz beast, I applaud you , Those were the days.
Does this count?
https://www.kingtermite.net/publicstu...stComputer.pdf
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My first? Tandy 1000 EX, No HD, Boot from floppy 'Deskmate' GUI DOS desktop. What a PITA it was to configure that bloody printer!
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Wow, you had a hard drive!
My second computer had a hard drive.

But seriously, the world is changing so fast. The pace of life is growing exponentially faster too. I'm not sure that is a good thing.
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Old 12-15-05, 07:18 AM
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Nope, and no provision to mount one or cable it up either. We did get the external floppy option tho'... Ooooo an 'A' and a 'B' drive.
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Originally Posted by Stacey
My first? Tandy 1000 EX, No HD, Boot from floppy 'Deskmate' GUI DOS desktop. What a PITA it was to configure that bloody printer!
I worked with those my senior year in high school (about 3 years before MY first computer I showed above). We also used some even older TRS-80s, some that took the old 8" floppies.
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Ah, yes the TRS-80, my dad got one of those to do his business financials on. He was so pissed when he found that he couldn't import the information to a PC.

Funny, coz he always bragged what a cool machine it was and all the neat stuff he was doing with it. Ah... best served cold
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Yeah, I remember doing command prompt. I made the "mistake", while learning on a high school computer, of typing del *.* . Yeah, that was a huge mistake. My first computer was a Mac Color Classic. I'm now on a PC, but want a Mac ($1000 PowerBook G4 baby) for more portability (my Toshiba is a behemoth) too so I can turn my PC into a Linux (command prompt) toy. And that just shows how spoiled I've become if I consider a laptop with a 15" screen that weighs 6 lbs to be a behemoth for travelling the globe.
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Originally Posted by koine2002
<snip>(my Toshiba is a behemoth) <snip>And that just shows how spoiled I've become if I consider a laptop with a 15" screen that weighs 6 lbs to be a behemoth for travelling the globe.
You can ship that behemoth too...


I'll even PayPal you the postage.
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you must be pretty young. The first digital (yes there were analogue computers around then) computer I saw, or at least parts of was an RCA 501. It used vaccum tubes for switches. A few years later we did a navy missile fire ciontrol program (controlled the fire control radar and missile launcher and firing of the missile) in 32 Kbits. Note that is K not M or G.

I spent built a microprocessor using a Z80 chip. Then bought a $10 Timex/Sinclar computer that used a TV for a monitor. Finially I got a modern computer a 12 MHz based on an 8088 chip, later it to add a math coprocessor.

Your right though tings are too hard to contol now. At least with DOS, VMS, or Unix we had control of the functions.

The speed is impressive though with that 12 MHz machine I could go eat supper and by the time I got back it would have done a 1024 point FFT, my 800 MHz mach now does it in less that 1 second.

Thanks for the memory jog. -
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I remember using a Radio Shack TRS 80 for computer programming class with one of those 5" floppies. Boy was that a long time ago or what?
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Well, I don't know what my nephews are playing, but that ain't donkey kong. And that other game ain't pac man neither.

I had a Tandy... that thing was soooooo slow, but I was so thrilled to have it because it certainly was better than having the typewriter with the daisy wheel.

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I've never owned a computer but a couple of years ago I did have to crunch data in a Data General AOS db for a living. Endless hours of green and black joy.
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Pffft. My first computer was a Ticonderoga #2 on college rule.
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You are such the minimalist <sigh>
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Originally Posted by sentinel
I remember using a Radio Shack TRS 80 for computer programming class with one of those 5" floppies. Boy was that a long time ago or what?
Stuck into my programming shelf among various computer languages is the TRS-80 OS-9 reference manual. I got a CoCo 3 after my CoCo 2, installed the 512KB memory expansion, ran OS-9, and taught myself structured programming with Basic09 (because C was too expensive.) I just moved my books into my new place last week, and my new roommates asked what it was -- I treat the manual like it was woven from gossamer.

And it was much, much faster than the modern processor sitting here on my lap. It occasionally gets too bogged down to keep up with my fast typing. How a 2GHz machine can't occasionally keep up with 40wps is beyond me. 6809, how I miss thee.
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Kids. My computer science class in high school consisted of punching a box full of IBM cards, then sending them off to a mysterious undisclosed location, and a week later we'd receive the cards back with one of those continuous rolls of computer paper, about 17" wide and maybe 10 feet long that basically said "2 + 2 = 4". The way those big old "computers" would read the cards was to blow air through the holes we'd punched in the cards. Big air.

You want big air, kid? Pull my finger.
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