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Old 01-16-06, 09:14 PM
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I've come to the conclusion, i dont like Dickinsons poems

I've been reading Dickinsons poems for a project, and i just dont think I like it. A lot of people seem to like this one:
“I died for Beauty -- but was scarce
Adjusted in the Tomb
When One who died for Truth, was lain
In an adjoining room --

He questioned softly "Why I failed"?
"For Beauty", I replied --
"And I -- for Truth -- Themself are One --
We Brethren, are", He said --

And so, as Kinsmen, met a Night --
We talked between the Rooms --
Until the Moss had reached our lips --
And covered up -- our names --”

Honestly, i dont. But i went with that to write about. I just never found anything about her poetry that jumps out at me, nothing keeps me interested in the least. Am i missing something? Or is her poetry just ment for some people, and not ment for others?
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I've not read much Dickinson (it doesn't feature hugely in our Australian education - we look towards Great Britain/Ireland) however this poem intrigues me.

The most obvious assumption on first reading is that "I" is Dickinson. However the use "we brethren, are" suggest to me that "I" and "Truth" are brothers and excludes Dickinson as the "I".

It seems to me a lament on how hard it is to find "Truth" and "Beauty". It can be found but only those willing to search in the darkness and beneath the moss (so to speak).

Thanks for sharing it. I will seek out her other work.
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I did not appreciate Emily Dickenson much until I went to Amherst, MA for a weekend(while I was living out east). In Amherst, I read her work, saw the modern version of her city and toured her house. I also saw her grave. That experience made me appreciate her work much more. I would not say that I "like" her work, but I understand it better and can appreciate what she did for American poetry.
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I liked Dickenson back when we had to read poetry in one of my English classes in high school, but I've never felt particularly compelled to read more than I had. My favorite was "I Could Not Stop for Death." Starts out:

I could not stop for death,
so death kindly stopped for me...

Yeah, she was a little morbid. I guess she was accused of scandalous behavior as a student and became a recluse because of it. She probably wasn't a very positive person before that, but it pushed her further out.

If you want a really crazy poem, there's the Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner. It's like 10 pages long.
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Seems like we do our share of celebrating the screwed-up here in the U.S. - Dickinson, Hemingway, King, Vonnegut...

ok, so I'm trolling to expand the discussion here...
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No one likes Emily Dickinson. No one likes Sylvia Plath either. People just say they do to sound like they're smart. Would you think anyone was smart cuz they admitted that the writing in Spiderman comics was sophisticated and well done?
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Originally Posted by Joe Dog
I did not appreciate Emily Dickenson much until I went to Amherst, MA for a weekend
Try living in Amherst. You'll learn to dislike her poems, as I did. Mainly you'll just be annoyed at how everything in the Happy Valley must relate to or mention Dickinson.
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Originally Posted by USAZorro
Seems like we do our share of celebrating the screwed-up here in the U.S. - Dickinson, Hemingway, King, Vonnegut...

ok, so I'm trolling to expand the discussion here...
Woh vonnegut?

Actually random but true fact. I think its eithor his son or grandson is an english teacher at my school... No joke
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personally I loved Spoon River Anthology.

Felt similiar about Bronte until I went to Bronteland (actually
Hawworth (sp) in the UK. the town itself is sort of tacky in a touristy way
(the heathcliff cafe) but the moors and the bronte homesite. . .wow.
made me apprciate the writing a bit more. I did kind of like Wuthering Heights
hated Charlotte's stuff tho.
sorry for the hijack.
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I don't if it will help for your project, but there are a lot of other great poets out there to check out if Dickinson doesn't work for you.

Some of my (Western) faves (with an example of one of my faves):
Edgar Allen Poe (Anabelle Lee)
Lord Alfred Tennyson (Charge of the Light Brigade)
Robert W. Service (The Cremation of Sam McGee)

Also many great Eastern poems....try to get one of those compiled books of Asian poems. Here are a few that I have, I'd recommend:

One Hundred Poems from the Chinese
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/081...books&v=glance

One Hundred Poems from the Japanese
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/081...books&v=glance

Women Poets of China
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/081...lance&n=283155

The Book of Songs (This is a CLASSIC in Eastern Poetry)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/080...lance&n=283155
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Dickenson's poetry can be really grating. Try Edna St. Vincent Milay. Much better.

And Dorothy Parker... there was a writer.

http://rpo.library.utoronto.ca/poet/248.html
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Originally Posted by KingTermite
I don't if it will help for your project, but there are a lot of other great poets out there to check out if Dickinson doesn't work for you.
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Edgar Allen Poe (Anabelle Lee)
Glad you're keeping with the theme of crazy people. Wasn't Anabelle Lee about his 13 year old (at the time) cousin? Regardless, his short stories were fascinatingly insane.
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Remember, Dickenson was doing some of her writing at the time of the Civil War. It's not known exactly when this poem was written.

So let's look at a few interesting points...

The poem concerns two men, in adjoining rooms, that died (or failed) for different reasons. Hmmmm.

The capitalization is sigificant, and I'm glad you reflected it in your post. Most copies of this poem are "corrected". Dickenson had a habit of "mis-capitalizing" words. By "He", was she simply capitalizing the male pronoun on a whim, or did she mean "He", referring to God or Jesus?

Spanish moss was used by the Confederates, because they had little means to produce wool and it was difficult to import. They turned to woven moss for saddle blankets. Here's a interesting bit on these blankets:

http://www.confederatesaddles.com/spanish_moss.html

Take it away...
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One of the problems I have with Dickinson is her meter. Soooo many of her works have this sing-songy cadence that fits perfectly to the "Yellow Rose of Texas". It gets in my way whenever I read her work.
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Originally Posted by Joe Dog
One of the problems I have with Dickinson is her meter. Soooo many of her works have this sing-songy cadence that fits perfectly to the "Yellow Rose of Texas". It gets in my way whenever I read her work.
Try putting it to the tune of "El Paso". It should be much more entertaining.
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Originally Posted by USAZorro
Try putting it to the tune of "El Paso". It should be much more entertaining.
The yellow rose of El Paso??!??!!?
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Originally Posted by KingTermite
The yellow rose of El Paso??!??!!?
No no. The one that starts:

"Out in the West Texas town
of El Paso I fell in love with a Mexican girl ..."
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Originally Posted by USAZorro
No no. The one that starts:

"Out in the West Texas town
of El Paso I fell in love with a Mexican girl ..."
The song sung by Marty Robbins?

Let's see 'song sung' what kind of word usage is that?
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Originally Posted by georgiaboy
The song sung by Marty Robbins?

Let's see 'song sung' what kind of word usage is that?
Song Sung Blues?
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Originally Posted by hi565
Woh vonnegut?

Actually random but true fact. I think its eithor his son or grandson is an english teacher at my school... No joke
Vonnegut lives in Northampton, MA -- just a few miles from Amherst (where Dickinson lived... now my post is relevant).

I once lived in Noho, MA, and attended a party at a fellow grad student's apartment when Kurt Vonnegut came downstairs to ask us to turn the music down. We all kinda stopped whatever we were doing and stared, slack-jawed at the door. The rest of the evening was a lot of hushed, frantic whispers.
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I don't remember any Dickinson(except for Angie), but thanks for subjecting me to some, pc2.

Wasn't it cummings who didn't use any capitalization? That was annoying, too, tho.

If it helps, I once had to read Jane Eyre (sp?) in high school. I didn't, tho. I bought a copy(paperback, of course) and shot it to pieces with my trusty .22 rifle. The teacher was not amused...but I was! Yeah, I failed that class....
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I don't remember any Dickinson(except for Angie), but thanks for subjecting me to some, pc2.

Wasn't it cummings who didn't use any capitalization? That was annoying, too, tho.

If it helps, I once had to read Jane Eyre (sp?) in high school. I didn't, tho. I bought a copy(paperback, of course) and shot it to pieces with my trusty .22 rifle. The teacher was not amused...but I was! Yeah, I failed that class....

Yup, e.e. cummings
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I (re)read a lot of Dickenson last night to try to help PC2 with his project.

I do like her poetry.

Of course, my favorite poem of all time is:

There once was a man from Nantucket...
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Another thing...a "scarce" is a butterfly found in Europe.

If I were analyzing the poem, I would use this as another clue to the meaning.

I don't know Dickenson well enough to know if she used plays on words like this. Shakespeare did it a lot!
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