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theritor 04-17-06 08:24 PM

gathering information for a speech, need help
 
hey everybody, im working on a persuasive speech for my horrible speech class and my speech is about over dependence on oil and the car. this is a 100 level speech class im in, trying to finish up my prereq. classes.
I know this is a controversial subject on BF, especially with how it easily starts flamewars, im just looking for information so if you could refrain from going on any tangents about the subject i would appreciate it.
I am looking for some information. specifically, the comparison of mpg output of humans vs the average car when measured in calories, the weight of pollutants in exhaust expelled in a mile, and eisenhowers statement about how he wanted the car to become an everyday item of necessity or something like that( i know i read that last one somewhere on these forums but cant remember where).
i would prefer all the information come from a printed source because i cant use more than one internet source, but feel free to include internet sources anyways.

thanks in advance.

DannoXYZ 04-17-06 10:00 PM

Back in 1916 during WWI, a young 2nd-lieutenant in the Army tried to gain support for his new device that was going to change the face of warfare. It was the automobile. He was on a demonstration trip from the east to west coast in a caravan of Packard trucks to prove the merits of the new contraptions. Of course, roads back then were for horses and buggies and there was great resistance to the new horseless-carriages that was starting to appear at the time. Look up the history of DeDion, Rolls Royce, Waterhouse, Packard for the types of advances and innovations that was necessary for the adoption of the automobile by the general public.

Anyway, you can imagine the kinds of difficulties faced by Eisenhower on his epic voyage cross-country. Horses have no trouble navigating rough terrain, but the new machines were not quites as adept. Think about narrow wooden wheels with solid-rubber tires using primitive stagecoach suspensions on rocky terrain... :( Add in mud, narrow mountain trails and you betcha Eisenhower almost swore off his new hobby. He ended up in San Diego or somewhere around there. The Ridge Route across the top of the mountains is still a favorite historical trip a lot of classic-car buffs still take on a pilgrimage each year as it was the first and only road through the mountains.

He eventually advanced to ultimate position of 5-star General and Supreme Allied Comamander. Needless to say, 40-years later when Eisenhower became President, he campaigned endlessly for the National Highway system.

Some info:
The Man Who Changed America, Part II, interesting contrasts with the Soviets
Fighting Traffic: U.S. Transportation Policy and Urban Congestion, 1955-1970, compare with British solutions
Have car, will commute
The Genie in the Bottle

Also research in the ensuing years, the battle the between the automobile manufacturers vs. the railroad industry and their lobbying and influence with governmental regulations...

koine2002 04-18-06 07:33 AM

It's not my area of expertise (mine is in the humanities), but I would focus on journals. Journals are more highly regarded by academics, they're concise and they are more up to date than are books.

TexasGuy 04-18-06 07:45 AM


Originally Posted by DannoXYZ
Back in 1916 during WWI, a young 2nd-lieutenant in the Army tried to gain support for his new device that was going to change the face of warfare. It was the automobile. He was on a demonstration trip from the east to west coast in a caravan of Packard trucks to prove the merits of the new contraptions. Of course, roads back then were for horses and buggies and there was great resistance to the new horseless-carriages that was starting to appear at the time. Look up the history of DeDion, Rolls Royce, Waterhouse, Packard for the types of advances and innovations that was necessary for the adoption of the automobile by the general public.

Anyway, you can imagine the kinds of difficulties faced by Eisenhower on his epic voyage cross-country. Horses have no trouble navigating rough terrain, but the new machines were not quites as adept. Think about narrow wooden wheels with solid-rubber tires using primitive stagecoach suspensions on rocky terrain... :( Add in mud, narrow mountain trails and you betcha Eisenhower almost swore off his new hobby. He ended up in San Diego or somewhere around there. The Ridge Route across the top of the mountains is still a favorite historical trip a lot of classic-car buffs still take on a pilgrimage each year as it was the first and only road through the mountains.

He eventually advanced to ultimate position of 5-star General and Supreme Allied Comamander. Needless to say, 40-years later when Eisenhower became President, he campaigned endlessly for the National Highway system.

Some info:
The Man Who Changed America, Part II, interesting contrasts with the Soviets
Fighting Traffic: U.S. Transportation Policy and Urban Congestion, 1955-1970, compare with British solutions
Have car, will commute
The Genie in the Bottle

Also research in the ensuing years, the battle the between the automobile manufacturers vs. the railroad industry and their lobbying and influence with governmental regulations...

Hahah. Sweet . I never knew that part. The world was so much easier to change back in those days werent it .

RVAbatman 04-18-06 08:20 AM

i was in borders yesterday (surprised myself by getting in and out in less than an hour) and visited the clearance section where i saw (and bought) "Quotationary: The All-New, Authoritative Source for Over 20,000 Quotations". i can't help you with your topic specifically, but if you give me words you want to look up, i can look up quotes that pertain to said words and such and give you a bunch of quotes. this can help in your speech because it even says on the back "...a valuable aid to speakers and writers."(new york times). and any excuse to use this book i'm in love with already is fine with me. you just let me know :)

wagathon 04-18-06 08:27 AM

Just imagine what everything would be like without the US ever having allowed the benefits of the internal combustion engine. All the rest is just people trying to exercise their power over other people as for what they can have and what they should do and how they shall do it. If you can step back far enough, the arguments become less about the car and more about personal freedom. :)

theritor 04-18-06 11:18 AM

RVA, the eisenhower quote i cant remember any specific wordsof the quote, i think i stumbled on it in the advocacy forum. oh well. how many quotes are from eisenhower in that newfangled book of yours?
the idea of personal freedom is a good perspecive when looking at where our choices have taken us and thats part of my argument.
so what ive come up with for the body of my speech, being against the dependency on oil/cars as being the problem, the cause of which is consumerism and laziness, the effects being the evnironmental damage and sprawl, the solution would be advocating bikes and public transit. i could use some ideas on other solutions for the argument. and the outline may not seem all that sound but seeing as i have a week to research, write and practice, things are going to end up a little halfassed.

DannoXYZ 04-18-06 01:41 PM

Wow that's a wide and encompassing topic. Seems like your talk is more about urban-planning than about automobiles though... it's just a single component of the larger whole.

wagathon 04-18-06 03:00 PM


Originally Posted by theritor
RVA, the eisenhower quote i cant remember any specific wordsof the quote, i think i stumbled on it in the advocacy forum. oh well. how many quotes are from eisenhower in that newfangled book of yours?
the idea of personal freedom is a good perspecive when looking at where our choices have taken us and thats part of my argument.
so what ive come up with for the body of my speech, being against the dependency on oil/cars as being the problem, the cause of which is consumerism and laziness, the effects being the evnironmental damage and sprawl, the solution would be advocating bikes and public transit. i could use some ideas on other solutions for the argument. and the outline may not seem all that sound but seeing as i have a week to research, write and practice, things are going to end up a little halfassed.

Unfortunately, you've got a lot of preconceptions. Imagine for a moment if there exists a situation where there are millions of persons who do not respect your right or ability to make a reasoned personal choice on this issue and who seek power over you, by virture of the power of the state, to make choices for you.

Don't think in terms of, "being against the dependency on oil/cars as being the problem, the cause of which is consumerism and laziness" if you want to apply some original thought to this exercise because "oil/cars" are nothing but transportation and self-determination.

Is it "bad" consumerism if you own your own a method of transportation but "good" consumerism if a state agency owns the method of transportation that you must use to get where you want to go? Remember that the state agency is paid for by you through your taxes.

Is is lazy for you to earn the money to purchase freedom of travel--if that is what you want to do--but, industrious to wait at a bus stop or sit in the back seat of a cab?

theritor 04-18-06 04:14 PM

wagathon, yeah i know it seems like there are preconceptions but im taking it all int oconcideration and also wanted to get others views on this, for it and against and alternate views as well. i do see cars on oil as tools but the fact that they are used far more than any other developed nation (the whole thing about US consuming 25% of worlds fuel but only producing 11% and the fact that 82% of trips from point a to b are made by car in the US vs 40% in demark) and the glorification of the automobile found here is what im taking issue with. but i intended to do the speech against the problem of the consumption of petrolium, but that must address the issue of the car too. at least for me it does.
and i want to repeat that i have to do this all in a weeks time so this wont be the best speech by any means just something to work with.
and to talk about owning your own method of transportation vs state own trans., my ultimate goal is to persuade people to see alternative transportation, ie bikes, busses, carpooling, walking, trains, subways as something to use besides their car when available. im not against a single mom with three kids driving a car or minivan for the practicle purpose ultimate availability of transportation, what i am against in the speech is a the millions o people who feel "have car, will drive" or the the bigger, ie more power, shinyier the better.
so for a freshman level speech class i would say what i have so far is decent enough. im not writing a thesis or doing someting on a professional level.

and as for the effects, i think environmental impact would be good but sprawl, concerning overdependence on oil, doesnt realy work, what could be another point to make for an effect?

RVAbatman 04-18-06 04:31 PM


Originally Posted by theritor
RVA, the eisenhower quote i cant remember any specific wordsof the quote, i think i stumbled on it in the advocacy forum. oh well. how many quotes are from eisenhower in that newfangled book of yours?
.

roughly 30

theritor 04-18-06 05:47 PM

any of them saying about making the nation driven (no pun) by cars?

and by the way, ive reworked my speech body

Cuase
-laziness or convenience
~travel without hassle, comfortability, shelter, best current mode for long distance
-consumerism
~identifying worth with brand name association or status symbol, want over need

Effects
-evironmental impact
-affects foreign policy

Solution
-alternate fuels
-lessen use of oil by alternate transportaion; walking bus train subway bikes carpool

so then, anyone have good sources i could use for this speech, preferably of the paper kind? i really would like the help becuase i have 6 days until i give the speech and as much as it may seem i didnt procrastinate, my teacher kind of screwed the class over by not aloting enough time for this speech. but it doesnt help im going to a show in another city to see tally hall play tonight. oh yes it is worth it!

wagathon 04-18-06 06:24 PM

As long as you realize that, e.g., "the whole thing about US consuming 25% of worlds fuel but only producing 11% and the fact that 82% of trips from point a to b are made by car in the US vs 40% in demark," makes no sense without context.

Japan produces almost no fuel. The US could produce much more fuel than it does. And what is the inference? That the fuel that the US and Japan uses is not going to some productive use, or that it could go to some higher better use and that something other than the market should decide that use, or that it would be better to leave the energy in the ground than to employ it for any use?

How can you compare the US to Denmark? San Diego alone is larger than Switzerland. Would you compare Switzerland to the whole US. How about comparing the Dane's use of energy to the Amish in PA? Would that be fair? The Amish ride bikes, horses and own no cars. Is the US evil because it devoted so much energy to landing a man on the moon?

theritor 04-18-06 06:59 PM

wagathon, dont be so reactionary, i know that comparing denmark to the US is slanted, the nation is much larger than than other european nations and thus we travel more. but in the context of daily activity there are many opportunities where driving could be replaced by other means.
this is just a simple crackpot speech given very little time, seriously, do take it for face value, im not some lunatic preaching against cars and saying youre all going to hell.
the fact that we use fossil fuels is not evil, im not saying that, im recognizing a problem that needs fixing.

easy man(or woman).

Coyote! 04-19-06 05:58 AM

>>> comparison of mpg output of humans vs the average car when measured in calories, the weight of pollutants in exhaust expelled in a mile

Relative efficiency of humans versus autos? Even if you were to get these numbers, it seems like a meaningless relationship given the realities of how we use vehicles. Walking to the local coffee shop three blocks away is one thing and IMHO something the denizens of this forum would do. The more common reality is the 140 mile round trip commute to work or the 10 mile round trip to the grocery store. Humans don't replace cars; cars extend humans [the legion negative sequalae of the auto notwithstanding].

Here's a speech that [were I] a professor I'd like to hear. . .The Impact of the End of Cheap Energy

TexasGuy 04-19-06 07:46 AM

People are discriminatory hypocritic cans of worms

They would take away internal combusion engine and cars without ever thinking of all of the benefits and advancements the technology has brought. Almost sounds like socialistic democrats who want to take away guns from people so that they can't revolve against their government should they choose. Take away cars from people so that they can't get information or products unless "they" allow it.

theritor 04-19-06 08:28 AM

im just going to ignor this thread from now on because no one feels like offering any help, only criticism. i know that its not the best speech by any means. and, unlike texasguy thinks, its not about taking cars away its about using them less and just seeing them as a means of transportation than iconic symbols of weaith. cars are still good to have, we just dont need to drive 2 miles to go to school or pick up a few things from the drugstore or go to a friends house. thats my focus of this speech.
but back to what i was saying, theres no help being offered so feel free to ***** about my marxist anti-conumerism leanings and go report me to McCarthy.

TexasGuy 04-21-06 08:23 AM

heh didn't get the information he wants so he *****es about how we were so unhelpful :rolleyes: You got plenty of useful information, tips and improvements :) Just not what you wanted apparently.


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