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shokhead 05-05-06 11:05 AM

Why does poor have to be
 
Why is it if a poor neighborhood,your most likly to be messy,not care what your kids do,have no respect for others property and just be a nothing? I've worked in a poor area for 22-23 years and you just cant have anything nioce or try to do anything nice. The school i work at can plant new trees,they pull them out. The trees we have they use as bar-b-q pits on the weekend. Cant paint anything as they will put there hands in it. They fuc$ up the school on the weekends like crap on the sidewalk and then put it on the walls and padlocks. Why?

Poor wording,POOR NEIGHBORHOOD. Hope thats better.

TexasGuy 05-05-06 11:08 AM


Originally Posted by shokhead
Why is it if your poor,your most likly to be a pig,not care what your kids do,have no respect for others property and just be a nothing? I've worked in a poor area for 22-23 years and you just cant have anything nioce or try to do anything nice. The school i work at can plant new trees,they pull them out. The trees we have they use as bar-b-q pits on the weekend. Cant paint anything as they will put there hands in it. They fuc$ up the school on the weekends like crap on the sidewalk and then put it on the walls and padlocks. Why?

Actually - you have the cycle a tad wrong.

They are poor because they didn't care, because they have no respect.
And yes its a vicious cycle, and much to the chagrin and benefit of Democrats and liberals and socialists, Welfare doesn't make the situation better. It just makes them care less and not work harder. Its easy to find people like that. You can see their emptiness painted all over their faces.

bigskymacadam 05-05-06 11:10 AM

that's pretty sad. i wish i had an answer for ya.

TexasGuy 05-05-06 11:17 AM


Originally Posted by MERTON
um... but rich kids do it too... if i remember right... so... maybe i'm wrong.

Rich kids are suicidal and destructive. But they are so because of a totally different reason. I feel for the rich kids a bit, because they don't grow up, but it gets really scary after a few generations of poverished neighborhoods have come and gone. People no longer have any reason to try and that puts their children where they are now.

timmhaan 05-05-06 11:22 AM

i notice the same thing riding through poorer neighborhoods. glass bottles broken all over the place, everything vandalized. i even see people walk directly out of their buildings and throw garbage all over the place. not to mention all the fighting, crusing, abusing, etc. really sucks if you're trying to make a difference! seems like everyone else is digressing sometimes. but like TG says above....it's not rosy on the other side of the fence either.

TexasGuy 05-05-06 11:31 AM


Originally Posted by timmhaan
i notice the same thing riding through poorer neighborhoods. glass bottles broken all over the place, everything vandalized. i even see people walk directly out of their buildings and throw garbage all over the place. not to mention all the fighting, crusing, abusing, etc. really sucks if you're trying to make a difference! seems like everyone else is digressing sometimes. but like TG says above....it's not rosy on the other side of the fence either.

The rich folks just get to hide it better.

slvoid 05-05-06 11:34 AM

They might not want to work for anything.
They could also be poor for reasons beyond their control.
Either way, poor people don't get a lot of respect, in turn they don't feel like they owe the world anything.
Plus, they have less to lose.

chipcom 05-05-06 11:59 AM

Whoa, slow down folks. Lots of good and decent people are poor. Granted, some people are poor due to circumstances they can control, but others are poor due to circumstances beyond their control. I've been there myself, to the point of being homeless. Before we all go dissing poor folks, we should remember that any of us could be in the same boat rather quickly in todays world. I understand the people you are talking about...maybe we just need to find another label for them....like 'losers'?

shokhead 05-05-06 12:03 PM

Come on. Use of a trash can, peeing in the bushes,not moving your car on sweeping days,parking in others driveway,honking your horn at 5:30 in the morning,throwing there rotten fruit at the school. Maybe being here has harden me but thast is lowlife in my book and none of it cant be fixed by just free effort.

TexasGuy 05-05-06 12:03 PM


Originally Posted by chipcom
Whoa, slow down folks. Lots of good and decent people are poor. Granted, some people are poor due to circumstances they can control, but others are poor due to circumstances beyond their control. I've been there myself, to the point of being homeless. Before we all go dissing poor folks, we should remember that any of us could be in the same boat rather quickly in todays world. I understand the people you are talking about...maybe we just need to find another label for them....like 'losers'?

Being poor does not mean you can do any of the things listed in this topic. My family was poor. We went from making 1/2 a million plus a year to to making zilch. We did not go around

Originally Posted by Original Poster
Why is it if your poor,your most likly to be a pig,not care what your kids do,have no respect for others property and just be a nothing? I've worked in a poor area for 22-23 years and you just cant have anything nioce or try to do anything nice. The school i work at can plant new trees,they pull them out. The trees we have they use as bar-b-q pits on the weekend. Cant paint anything as they will put there hands in it. They fuc$ up the school on the weekends like crap on the sidewalk and then put it on the walls and padlocks. Why?

We worked harder, we put more value in friendship, we put more value in what few services and conveniences were offered. We learned lessons from every hardship.

There is a difference between being poor, and being poor and losing hope and destroying everything around you, not caring and not taking care of your children, your lives and your neighborhood.

Almost all of the posts refer to the latter.

TexasGuy 05-05-06 12:03 PM


Originally Posted by shokhead
Come on. Use of a trash can, peeing in the bushes,not moving your car on sweeping days,parking in others driveway,honking your horn at 5:30 in the morning,throwing there rotten fruit at the school. Maybe being here has harden me but thast is lowlife in my book and none of it cant be fixed by just free effort.

exactly ;)

Lex 05-05-06 12:04 PM


Originally Posted by TexasGuy
exactly ;)

Like Chipcom, I'm thinking there's a distinction between being poor and just being lazy (i.e. loser).

TexasGuy 05-05-06 12:05 PM


Originally Posted by slvoid
They might not want to work for anything.
They could also be poor for reasons beyond their control.
Either way, poor people don't get a lot of respect, in turn they don't feel like they owe the world anything.
Plus, they have less to lose.

And they don't care to make their neighboord a better place, instead they choose to trash it. They don't care to make their children better people, and so their children run all over the place doing whatever they want. And then the overall value of the neigbhorhood drops and more people just like them move there. And the cycle just grows, year by year, and eventually generation by generation, all because these people stoped caring and stopped growing.

TexasGuy 05-05-06 12:06 PM


Originally Posted by Lex
Like Chipcom, I'm thinking there's a distinction between being poor and just being lazy (i.e. loser).

from my pov, the only problem with chipcom's post is that we emphatically stated what we were talking about. We're not talking about people like my dad, people like alot of my friends who work hard, take care of their children and etc so that their children have a better future and a better chance then they did. We're talking about those who didn't. Those who destroy instead of building.

TexasGuy 05-05-06 12:07 PM

Although, granted, his opening line was very misdirected and while I originally noted that when I first responded, I guess it wasn't clear enough for some people.

Lex 05-05-06 12:15 PM


Originally Posted by TexasGuy
from my pov, the only problem with chipcom's post is that we emphatically stated what we were talking about. We're not talking about people like my dad, people like alot of my friends who work hard, take care of their children and etc so that their children have a better future and a better chance then they did. We're talking about those who didn't. Those who destroy instead of building.

I responded as I did because I think that some of the viewers do have that outlook. Poor = bum as a blanket statement. Viewers for whom maybe mommy and daddy pay the bills and they think that life is employement right out of college.

Keith99 05-05-06 12:16 PM


Originally Posted by shokhead
Why is it if your poor,your most likly to be a pig,not care what your kids do,have no respect for others property and just be a nothing? I've worked in a poor area for 22-23 years and you just cant have anything nioce or try to do anything nice. The school i work at can plant new trees,they pull them out. The trees we have they use as bar-b-q pits on the weekend. Cant paint anything as they will put there hands in it. They fuc$ up the school on the weekends like crap on the sidewalk and then put it on the walls and padlocks. Why?

Why didn't you change it?

No I'm not saying it to be nasty. There is even a good chance you tried at some point. But it got you nowhere. Once you have a bad area those who want to make things better are very apt to find out that it is a ton of work and no progress. Those who what to improve their life and are willing to work to make it happen quickly figure out that the route is to quietly save something anf move out. In short the best people keep leaving.

I personally do not feel the poor are that different than the rich or middle class, top to bottom. BUT this kind of sorting means the poor lose let's say the top 5% and a lot of the bottom 5% end up losing enough that they move to a less expensive neighborhood.

Stop to think about it. if one person in a hundred wants to trash things it is a lot of work for the rest to undo it. If it is one in 10 there is no way to keep up.

TexasGuy 05-05-06 12:17 PM


Originally Posted by Keith99

I personally do not feel the poor are that different than the rich or middle class, top to bottom. BUT this kind of sorting means the poor lose let's say the top 5% and a lot of the bottom 5% end up losing enough that they move to a less expensive neighborhood. .

I think that depends. The poor to which we were referring to are very much different from everybody else, poor, rich and middle class. These people have lost hope and their behavior shows so.

pigmode 05-05-06 12:21 PM

This thread as presented in the OP, is ******** and belongs in the political forum.

TexasGuy 05-05-06 12:24 PM

I don't believe its PR material, "yet"

slvoid 05-05-06 12:26 PM


Originally Posted by TexasGuy
Those who destroy instead of building.

Thats the difference between civil and mechanical engineers.
They build em, we bomb em.

ignominious 05-05-06 12:27 PM

There are a number of cycles that cause the problems that you are witnessing.

Education: This is the biggie really. There is a failure to teach the need for socially productive behaviour and thus the behavious becomes anti-social. Subsequently efforts to teach socially acceptable behaviour are aimed at places where results are more apparent. The neglected place continue to decline.

Societal: We fail to respect these people and so they see themselves as unworthy of respect and thus do nothing to earn it. Naturally our ablility to respect diminishes.

Economic, environmental and so on. The cycles all go the same way.

I'm not going to outright blame the "haves" for the failing of the "have-nots" but we certainly contribute to a degree and those on the advantaged side are in a better position to effect change. If you ask people from these areas, practically none of them like their conditions but hey, what can any of them do about it? How are they going to be able to make change that lasts?

TexasGuy 05-05-06 12:27 PM


Originally Posted by slvoid
Thats the difference between civil and mechanical engineers.
They build em, we bomb em.

hehe.


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