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Old 11-17-06, 03:02 PM
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ok, here's the deal as I understand it,
something about Bike Forums has been slipping away lately,
(ever since the kryptonite threads atmo) and we have
been discussing how to better serve the entire bike forum
membership. There are quality posts here that are bike related,
the problem that y'all are identifying (I think) is the lack of community
in the "other" forums as opposed to here, right? thats what we
would like to work on, restoring the sense of community to ALL of BF.
cycle17 that resto job should have been posted in cranky&vintage its
a very friendly place (ask serendipper).
so, here's my request, help us fix what's broken with BF, what would
you do to improve these forums?

one last thing, as for the number of mods here at Foo, we like it
here too, even us bastid step children of the foo family.

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wow that was disjointed. . . I've got to stop doing this sinus stuff.



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Originally Posted by lotek
There are quality posts here that are bike related,
the problem that y'all are identifying (I think) is the lack of community
in the "other" forums as opposed to here, right? thats what we
would like to work on, restoring the sense of community to ALL of BF.
cycle17 that resto job should have been posted in cranky&vintage its
a very friendly place (ask serendipper).
so, here's my request, help us fix what's broken with BF, what would
you do to improve these forums?
I understand the desire to improve all of BF and the sense of community in the other subforums, but if you're taking away from the feeling of community here in Foo in the process, then it defeats the purpose, in my opinion. We went through something similar over in the soCal forum with threads being moved so I understand where the Foo-sters are coming from. I guess my thoughts are that if there is something lacking in the other subforums, do something to "fix" them and let the forums that are working well rock on the way that they are.
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Marty, Here are some thoughts.

Growth makes it difficult to retain civility and community. Even in C & V, I sense that the cohesiveness is beginning to dissipate. Once a critical mass has been reached, even the people who've been there a while have to work to keep up with who's who. It's no longer just you and a group of folks who feel like they know most everyone. This isn't a bad thing, but it does have a different, and less special feel.

Once you get a half-dozen or so type-A personalities gravitating on the same forum, the pissing contests start to break out. That's when things actually start to get unpleasant. Perhaps if they had their own little space to duke things out, it would help to keep it from spoiling things for others. Maybe try putting "Rant" sub-forums in A & S and Road Cycling (with P & R style consent portals), would help make the decorum in the main forum better. Also, maybe having an "Equipment" sub-forum in Road Cycling would help to draw off a lot of the recurring questions that seem to get asked about "which xxxx should I get?"

On a different point - This is a trivial thing, and I could be off base, but I sense that the regional communities are a little bit hampered by how they are structured. I think they need to be structured more like the lounge, so that there's an indication for each of the forums of when there's been a new post in each of the geographic areas. I think this will help some of the communities take off.

I also think breaking things down to areas that you can drive across in 3-4 hours would help people to cluster more cohesively. I'm not likely to drive to Ocean City, MD, or Pittsburgh, to meet up with a BF member for a ride, but if there's a group in Frederick, MD, I'd be all over it. Craigslist has a pretty good handle on breaking down geography.

I'd be happy to talk about any of these things more offline, if anybody cares to.
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Originally Posted by cuda2k
While Cycle17's restore of his Trek certainly was a beauty of a bike, I don't think it quite yet qualifies for C&V status.

Correct Cuda! See that's actually a good example. It's a historically memorable and IMO nicely restored/rebuilt bike. But it's a 2001. Not really what I'd call vintage, so the vintage people would scoff at it...even if they did it "nicely" the same can be said of the road cycling forum...."it's just a CF trek" would be the nicest reply I could hope for because it's not a mid 70's italian Pinarello (no offense intended towards Pinarello owners) that oh by the way...went from junk to almost showroom due to a large investment in time and money by me. But my experiences over in the Road Cycling fourm with that type of post would be at best neutral. So I posted the build in Foo and the folks in here posted a lot of comments on the bike. Not one negative thing. Several PM'd me to ask me questions about cost, time, components etc... So you can maybe see why I think there should be at least one thread in Foo for talking bikes. We've talk about Shadiyah's fixie, BDGs Tri bike, my CF roadies etc... it's rare that anyone slams anyone else in here about what bike we ride. Even the russian kid with the huffy he repainted is welcome and got a bunch of posts on his bike a while back! So I agree with Brandy...there is a good sense of fun and a mostly laid back attitude in here. Fix the parts of the forum that need more attention, and make a little "tweak" here or there to Foo.

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Correct Cuda! See that's actually a good example. It's a historically memorable and IMO nicely restored/rebuilt bike. But it's a 2001. Not really what I'd call vintage, so the vintage people would scoff at it...even if they did it "nicely" the same can be said of the road cycling forum...."it's just a CF trek" would be the nicest reply I could hope for because it's not a mid 70's italian Pinarello (no offense intended towards Pinarello owners) that oh by the way...went from junk to almost showroom due to a large investment in time and money by me. But my experiences over in the Road Cycling fourm with that type of post would be at best neutral. So I posted the build in Foo and the folks in here posted a lot of comments on the bike. Not one negative thing. Several PM'd me to ask me questions about cost, time, components etc... So you can maybe see why I think there should be at least one thread in Foo for talking bikes. We've talk about Shadiyah's fixie, BDGs Tri bike, my CF roadies etc... it's rare that anyone slams anyone else in here about what bike we ride. Even the russian kid with the huffy he repainted is welcome and got a bunch of posts on his bike a while back! So I agree with Brandy...there is a good sense of fun and a mostly laid back attitude in here. Fix the parts of the forum that need more attention, and make a little "tweak" here or there to Foo.

Thanks for listening by the way.
C & V is waaaaay more cordial than Road Cycling - but you're right - the bike is still a few years away from being what I would regard as C, or V.
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I want to say that Zorro's comments about are very good. I realize that to a certain extent, you want all the forums to be "a good place". I like some of the newer chagnes like the Regional Forums, and agree they could be structured better. But I still enjoy browsing them and posting there occassionally. Perhaps haing a sub forum (or two) in foo like the Racing header in Raod Cycling would be an alternative? I like opening the Road forums and seeing the latest thread at the top under racing. Perhaps a section of Foo could be like that for "casual bike pictures and cycling conversations that any BF/Foo member coudl be involved in. Perhaps two or three sticky topics with a lockout on posting new threads. Again...just some suggestions.

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Originally Posted by USAZorro
Marty, Here are some thoughts.

Growth makes it difficult to retain civility and community. Even in C & V, I sense that the cohesiveness is beginning to dissipate. Once a critical mass has been reached, even the people who've been there a while have to work to keep up with who's who. It's no longer just you and a group of folks who feel like they know most everyone. This isn't a bad thing, but it does have a different, and less special feel.

Once you get a half-dozen or so type-A personalities gravitating on the same forum, the pissing contests start to break out. That's when things actually start to get unpleasant. Perhaps if they had their own little space to duke things out, it would help to keep it from spoiling things for others. Maybe try putting "Rant" sub-forums in A & S and Road Cycling (with P & R style consent portals), would help make the decorum in the main forum better. Also, maybe having an "Equipment" sub-forum in Road Cycling would help to draw off a lot of the recurring questions that seem to get asked about "which xxxx should I get?"

On a different point - This is a trivial thing, and I could be off base, but I sense that the regional communities are a little bit hampered by how they are structured. I think they need to be structured more like the lounge, so that there's an indication for each of the forums of when there's been a new post in each of the geographic areas. I think this will help some of the communities take off.

I also think breaking things down to areas that you can drive across in 3-4 hours would help people to cluster more cohesively. I'm not likely to drive to Ocean City, MD, or Pittsburgh, to meet up with a BF member for a ride, but if there's a group in Frederick, MD, I'd be all over it. Craigslist has a pretty good handle on breaking down geography.

I'd be happy to talk about any of these things more offline, if anybody cares to.
That's the beauty of foo. Everyone keeps eachother in check and people who want to start crap get silenced quickly by other members. The people in foo are here knowing that this forum is for fun, and not for bickering. Therefore, all the great members IMO gravitate to foo. Just as cycle17, I'd much rather post personal cycling news(ie a new bike) in foo rather than in the mtb forum, for the simple fact that people are so critical over there. Here when you post something you get people who genuinely have positive things to say.
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I'm in agreement with USAZorro and Cycle17 about the regional forum layout, however the alternative has its problems as well. To put each regional forum 'up a level' as it is with the lounge, it would probably expand the length of the main BikeForums forum list by 50% or more. As it is scolling down to Foo or General Cycling or even Road Forums from the top of the page takes a while.

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Originally Posted by cuda2k
I'm in agreement with USAZorro and Cycle17 about the regional forum layout, however the alternative has its problems as well. To put each regional forum 'up a level' as it is with the lounge, it would probably expand the length of the main BikeForums forum list by 50% or more. As it is scolling down to Foo or General Cycling or even Road Forums from the top of the page takes a while.

Keep the ideas coming ya'll.

Well, it looks like they are a little different than I had initially remembered (can I blame it on advancing age?). Maybe the Northeast needs to be broken out into sub-sub forums (if that's possible), or just divided up a little more finely. Possibly some of the others could benefit from that as well.
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Alright.... if you want to show off your bike for the positive vibes in Foo, let's think of a code phrase for the subject line to indicate such so the mods will be none the wiser.

How about: The Sparrow Flies On Wednesday's Winds

Or something top-secret like that! The mods will never know!! MUUUHHAAAHAHAAHHAA!!!
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Alright.... if you want to show off your bike for the positive vibes in Foo, let's think of a code phrase for the subject line to indicate such so the mods will be none the wiser.

How about: The Sparrow Flies On Wednesday's Winds

Or something top-secret like that! The mods will never know!! MUUUHHAAAHAHAAHHAA!!!
How 'bout. "No Bike Pictures in this Thread"?
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Originally Posted by CyLowe97
How about: The Sparrow Flies On Wednesday's Winds

Or something top-secret like that! The mods will never know!! MUUUHHAAAHAHAAHHAA!!!

Please
do not give me any more bright ideas....



....that's the last one I'm gonna implement. I swear on Svengali's grave!
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OK - my thoughts.

1) Have a 'head' mod for each section. Create a sticky that indexes all the useful information that people will ask over and over again. When the Clydes section was created I rake through and grabbed all the information that I would want to know as a newbie - and as other topics continue to pour in I add to it here It's not that much work once it's set up but I think having a 'best of' sticky helps cut down on redundant threads. Eliminate, no. But helps and allows someone who is just starting off to ask a pointed question ("Do I need a 113 or 116 bb?" vs "What bb do I need?") Also will help cut down on searching if those threads are in one place. They don't have to be every thread - but the ones that seem to have the most complete information for a given topic. The community can suggest topics too - but whoever starts it should have all the threads that are suggested in one spot.

2) I don't think it makes sense to come down on the off-topic portion for being on-topic. I understand what you're trying to do but a sense of community comes out of people getting used to different posters, where they're coming from, and what they know. But we can adapt easily and will find a way of making our biking posts unsuitable for any other section - we're good like that (much like the 50's section did!)

3) Subsections are an awesome idea. Much like the 'Racing' subsections you could have a 'Show and Tell,' 'New Builds' or like someone suggested 'Rants' or even 'Debates' I think in general hostile posting comes from seeing the same types of posts, getting fustrated with it, and feeling the need to say "STOP POSTING THIS CR*P" without saying that explicitly. There are hundreds of people posting on here at once - with enough places to go people will gravitate towards where they feel comfortable which will build community.

4) Shouldn't this be in Support?
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I consider myself a Fooster, others may disagree. What I know about the Foo forum is that it is a very personal place where there are lots of personal friendships. That really doesn't exist in any of the other forums that I know of.

So I can see the desire to share your cycling related subjects with only your "foo friends" so to speak. But this site is entitled Bike Forums. It encompasses a wide variety of subjects and those subjects are neatly divided by subject/forum. There are many reasons for this, but probably the greatest one is that it serves the most people in the best manner. That is how any community should operate.

Personally if somebody wants to share cycling related stuff on bike forums outside of the proper areas (foo), it would be my contention that there are many methods of doing this. Instant Messaging, email, websites, you name it. They are all there as an option.
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I think a "trash" forum should be made. Anytime a thread becomes alot of bickering or unuseful, throw it into the trash forum and let the idiots duke it out.
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I consider myself a Fooster, others may disagree. What I know about the Foo forum is that it is a very personal place where there are lots of personal friendships. That really doesn't exist in any of the other forums that I know of.

So I can see the desire to share your cycling related subjects with only your "foo friends" so to speak. But this site is entitled Bike Forums. It encompasses a wide variety of subjects and those subjects are neatly divided by subject/forum. There are many reasons for this, but probably the greatest one is that it serves the most people in the best manner. That is how any community should operate.

Personally if somebody wants to share cycling related stuff on bike forums outside of the proper areas (foo), it would be my contention that there are many methods of doing this. Instant Messaging, email, websites, you name it. They are all there as an option.
While I respect what your saying portis. Let me put it this way...if I finished my recent restore/rebuild under your method:

I'd upload all the pictures(which btw I've never been able to figure out with how to get into a PM) and then have to send it to what?...say thirty or forty people here in Foo? What if I forgot someone? Or several people? I don't use photobucket or the like, so psoting them here is my best option AND until a couple days ago there was never any problem with someone putting their trek, fixie, huffy, tandem picture in FOO for other friends and member in general to view. Now apparently there is. Using your method...I'll report every post to a mod that is bicycle related. (Actually..I won't but I think you get my point I hope.) I'm not trying to start a flame war here in FOO, just ask some questions and state my opinions. Which seem to mostly be shared by other Foosters. It ain't broke...don't fix it.
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I tend to agree with the general line. I post in Foo and Clydes, primarily. The folk here in Foo are essentially a bunch of friends that take me for what I am, a thinning down middle aged cyclist who's a retrogrouch that rides a 20 year old road bike by choice! I pretty much go with the flow and enjoy myself in Foo. Other forums often feel hostile, so I avoid them for the most part. I come in here to BF precisely because Foo and Clydes both have that family feel where I can just relax and have a ball without worrying I'm going to get insulted or hassled. If I go into the other forums, it's because I have a specific question. I'd like to be able to share my ride stories with my friends and not have to read the critical nastiness that come out in certain other forums. Here in Foo, we don't call each other derogatory names or try to beat each other up. I don't see that Foo is broken! If we have a conflict, near as I've seen, we self regulate for the most part. We don't try to ego strip other posters, or otherwise take potshots. An example, my Spinner Miles thread in Clydes....is that going to be moved out of Clydes because it's Bike related and open to all regardless of body weight? I'm not trying to stir controversy here, but I hope you see where I'm coming from.
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What would you all like to see?

Have some ideas here.
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