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Old 01-12-07, 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by lancerob
That would not happen. I'm 40 and she's 16. YIKES!

What's the age of consent in the USA?
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Ok, forgive me as I know nothing about golf...

But why can't women (in general) compete with men in golf? Is it just that they can't hit the ball as far on the long drives?
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Originally Posted by sunofsand
Why does having no cycling to watch piss you off?
because you like cycling cycling is great and since you dislike golf golf sucks

Nobody owes golf anything
Nobody owes you anything
Golf is on TV because people like it ..more so than cycling.

I love all sports
Cycling is quite boring to watch IMO
I'm not saying I dislike watching it ..I'm saying I can see how many would not bother even tuning in while golf at the very least provides beautiful scenery to look at
Golf CAN be boring to watch

I bet if your uncle loved to watch cycling you'd be saying how cool he is
Your thoughts seem to be closely aligned with God's Kingdom. Mazeltov, my son.
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Old 01-12-07, 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Johnny_Monkey
I agree with Vic. How many times has she made the cut in men's tournaments?
And how many men don't make the cut on the men's tour on a regular basis?
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Originally Posted by cydewaze
Ok, forgive me as I know nothing about golf...

But why can't women (in general) compete with men in golf? Is it just that they can't hit the ball as far on the long drives?
Many women pros have excellent short games. But they lack the power to hit the ball 300 yards.
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Originally Posted by chromedome
And how many men don't make the cut on the men's tour on a regular basis?

Which tour? The US PGA?
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Old 01-12-07, 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by lancerob
Michelle Wie is invited to various PGA men's tournaments simply because she is hot and will bring in revenue. She can't make the cut. Every time she is invited to play it is the result of some local exemption policy or corporate exemption policy. Every time she is invited there is some struggling pro golfer guy who lives out of his car trying to make a living that doesn't get that invitation exemption. (Typically the exemptions go to some guy who is just on the cusp... but didn't quite make it through qualifying) Lot's of women pull out the "you go girl" stuff every time she plays. When she can actually make the cut or earn her way into the men's tournament (which she may very well be able to do one day) then fine. Good for her. I assure you that the LPGA will not be pushing to have male pro golfers flood their tour any time soon. The PGA just wants her there so men can ogle at her body and spend more money. It's a specticle.
At invitational events there are ALL KINDS of exemptions for people who likely couldn't make the cut. That's the nature of invitational tournaments.
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Natalie Gulbis FTW!

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Has she ever won a PGA tournament?
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Wie has never won an LPGA event and has never made the cut in a US or Europen PGA event that she's recieved an exemption for. Maybe somewhere down the road...she'll be ready to try again. But after last nights debacle...she should focus on the LPGA tour and becoming a better golfer first. Annika, Kerri, Paula Creamer, Natalie Gulbis and many others can give Michelle some "schooling" for a few years, maybe then she'll be ready to go back and try making the field in a men's event again. She clearly is not ready at this stage in her young career.

Personally, I think Paula Creamer is the LPGA Champion of the future. She's almost there now. That girl has got all the tools and is calm under pressure. She's the real deal.
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Originally Posted by cycle17
Wie has never won an LPGA event and has never made the cut in a US or Europen PGA event that she's recieved an exemption for.
she made the cut in a mens pro event in korea (or maybe it was japan)
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Originally Posted by cycle17
Wie has never won an LPGA event and has never made the cut
I don't seem to recall this one winning too many tennis tourneys either, but nobody was all to eager to see her go.

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Originally Posted by lancerob
Michelle Wie is invited to various PGA men's tournaments simply because she is hot and will bring in revenue. She can't make the cut. Every time she is invited to play it is the result of some local exemption policy or corporate exemption policy. Every time she is invited there is some struggling pro golfer guy who lives out of his car trying to make a living that doesn't get that invitation exemption. (Typically the exemptions go to some guy who is just on the cusp... but didn't quite make it through qualifying) Lot's of women pull out the "you go girl" stuff every time she plays. When she can actually make the cut or earn her way into the men's tournament (which she may very well be able to do one day) then fine. Good for her. I assure you that the LPGA will not be pushing to have male pro golfers flood their tour any time soon. The PGA just wants her there so men can ogle at her body and spend more money. It's a specticle.
It's only one spot, and it helps the sponsors bring in more money, lifts ratings, and helps them to be able to pay out more prize money to all the other golfers. There's a really good shot that whoever else's spot she's taking isn't going to make the cut either - so the person who might have been the last one in in all likelihood isn't going to be devastated financially.

Yes, it's a spectacle, but that's kind of the point of sports anyway, no?

p.s. - Has our society gotten to the point where we really consider people who can drive cars fast to be athletes? Skilled? Yes. Athletes? ...
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Originally Posted by USAZorro
p.s. - Has our society gotten to the point where we really consider people who can drive cars fast to be athletes? Skilled? Yes. Athletes? ...
you dont know much about auto racing then.
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Originally Posted by lancerob
Isn't that where the guy with the fastest car floors it and he wins?
that would be nascar
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If women can play on the mens tour then men should be able to play on the womens tour. End of story. In high schools when men have tried out for womens sports theres been an uproar against it, but if a women tries out for a mens sport, that's ok. I'm sorry, but I think it's bull****.
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what an accomplishment for this 16 year old female to be part of a world dominated by men.
But yet, you'll always find people to crap on that accomplisment to fill thier own insecurities.
tsk tsk tsk
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Most races require you to steer. Just flooring it isn't going to work well.
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It has been my observation that people who have accomplished significant things in their lives tend to be pretty positive when someone tries, even if they aren't doing that well.

The PGA first and foremost is a business. If they want to invite her, fine, their money, their business. At the bottom (where she is) the odds of place in the money is slim and none. It is rather doubtful that she is taking away anyone's ability to win.

Professional Sports is not about anything except making money. It sure isn't about the purity of the sport.
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What people don't realize about auto racing is that they're all trying to floor it, it's who can floor it longer and more often who wins.
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Vic can't get enough trolling in P&R, so now he's here in Foo spreading his misogynist viewpoint...

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Perhaps I am dense, but doesn't the inclusion of a 16 year old girl who can't make the cut say that you are wrong about the sport being about anything other than money?

What you wish it was, and what it is might be two different things.

It doesn't bother me in the least by the way. I have no illusions when it comes to professional sports.
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Originally Posted by crtreedude
Perhaps I am dense, but doesn't the inclusion of a 16 year old girl who can't make the cut say that you are wrong about the sport being about anything other than money?
well said.
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Originally Posted by VegasVic
She's not good enough. She should play in the Monday qualifier like everyone else. If she plays her way in, fine. Otherwise, she doesn't belong there.
It all has to do with money. The sponsors pay for adverisement and she draws the crowds. Thus, Michelle is invited to the tournaments.
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All professional atheletes are being used. And, especially in the more violent sports (and the drug enhanced ones) are willing to sacrifice future health, and often, length of life, to make a lot of money. I have a personal friend who was a pro football player. He wishes now he never was one due to the consequences to his health.

I would tend to agree the golf is purer, so far. But it shows serious signs of corruption.

Face it, professional athletes are entertainers - nothing else. Some people can sing, others can hit a little white ball. Both make money because people like to see (or hear) them do it. It isn't a sport anymore at this point, it is entertainment.

Michelle Wie is entertaining. Let her play. When people are bored with her, she won't be invited anymore.
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