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Old 08-02-07, 05:35 PM
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Root canals and all that good dental stuff

I just had one this morning. If you have a trustworthy endodontist or normal dentist and a decent insurance plan, please don't neglect your teeth.

Many older ones still cringe about going to the dentist -- which I think is a holdover from childhood experiences. Even my 26 year old sister thought the root canal would be "the most painful experience of my life"; my mom thought it was going to be terrible.

Yes, I'm sure work like this HURT LIKE HELL maybe twenty years ago. But medical technology has advanced so much (mainly from the strong, long-lasting local anesthesia and gentle power tools) that it's really a trivial operation. Some sites list the root canal, commonly thought as the creme de la creme of endodontal operations, just as miniscule as a filling.

And I agree. A month ago I had my tooth #9 cracked in half (right front tooth) in a bike accident. A few weeks ago it was bonded with two metal posts (this part hurt a LOT WORSE. Every time they added bonding agent they had to dry it with UV light, which made it shrink on the tooth. Ow.) and I needed to get the tooth pulp and nerve removed today.

Honestly, the worst part was the few shots of anesthetic. I don't mind shots anywhere else, but my mouth is a no-no. And the first two (out of three) I didn't even feel. The drilling of an access hole and scraping out of the nerve were ABSOLUTELY PAINLESS. Once it was done, cleaned out, and closed, the anesthetic started to wear off and there was a minimal, very tolerable throbbing. Within an hour of leaving, nothing.

So... my point here, guys and girls: although from family experience I know that many Americans are afraid to visit a dentist, or worse--an endodonsit--but things have changed a lot. Give it a try.
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Old 08-02-07, 05:42 PM
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I've had root canals on several teeth do to a bike accident. I agree, with today's medical technology, they are nothing bad at all.
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Old 08-02-07, 06:57 PM
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I'll take a needle in my gums any day. A shot to Mr Happy on the other hand? No.
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Old 08-02-07, 07:07 PM
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The only bad thing about root canals is they take a long time and consists of maybe three sessions. My jaw hurt from having to keep my mouth opne so long for one difficult root.
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Old 08-02-07, 07:28 PM
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I'd agree on the time. Mine took about 1.5 hours, but the doctor was often off checking other patients.

Some doctors do multiple sessions with a temporary filling. I guess mine wasn't severe enough.

FWIW I had the canal done long before any signs of infection or swelling. Although the root was only exposed for maybe 4 hours total (I got it covered the night of the accident and then it was exposed again on the morning of the filling as I flossed and cracked the brittle covering off), it would have surely gotten infected. If I waited till then it would have hurt.
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Originally Posted by peabodypride View Post
Yes, I'm sure work like this HURT LIKE HELL maybe twenty years ago. But medical technology has advanced so much (mainly from the strong, long-lasting local anesthesia
Local anesthesia in dentistry has not changed significantly in at least 45 years.
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Old 08-02-07, 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Keith99 View Post
Local anesthesia in dentistry has not changed significantly in at least 45 years.
Then what would explain the difference in care of root canals? Surely the hand files and technique haven't changed in 45 years either.
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Old 08-02-07, 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Michigander View Post
I'll take a needle in my gums any day. A shot to Mr Happy on the other hand? No.


I can't imagine how that might come up, but....Okaaay.
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Old 08-03-07, 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by peabodypride View Post
Then what would explain the difference in care of root canals? Surely the hand files and technique haven't changed in 45 years either.
A little bit. The hand files are still used, although they can also be had on the end of an electric toothbrush like handpiece. Kinda like stitches and needles, sometimes the simplest solutions are the best.
Crowns and inlays can now be made in office. Pop added a Micro-CNC mill to his lab a few years ago. No more temp crowns and followup visits. And novacaine has improved somewhat as well, short acting novacaine being an example. No need to have a numb face for 8 hours for a simple procedure when 2 hours will do; much more comfortable for the patient.
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I've had four root canals, and also have a bridge where I had an extraction. This is the price I've paid for being a cola and coffee w/sugar junkie. My dentist told me the problem isn't how much of this stuff is consumed, its the frequency, as it takes about 10 minutes for the acid-generating sugar to be cleared from the mouth. Might only consume a half pint by sipping on a sugar laced coffee or soft drink over the course of an hour, but thats harder on the teeth then it would be to slam a two liter all at once within a few minutes. Brushing after every meal, snack, or drink w/sugar is impractical, but rinsing with water after eating or drinking something sugary is supposed to help, but I learned that too late. :/ Fortunately, I still have all of my teeth (except for one that's fake ), in spite of my bad habits.
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I've never had a root canal, but I did have a molar extracted by a tooth-pulling-happy oral surgeon about 35 years ago. Biggest mistake I ever made regarding my teeth- I should have suffered through the barbaric procedure that was the root canal in those days. I ended up having to have a bridge (costly as hell), which took 4 or 5 visits to do.

If I needed a 'canal now, I wouldn't hesitate- glad to hear yours went well peabody!
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Old 08-03-07, 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by peabodypride View Post
Then what would explain the difference in care of root canals? Surely the hand files and technique haven't changed in 45 years either.
Well comparing your experience to the horror stories I'd say the huge difference is no infection. Infection does lots of nasty things.

Periodontal care is rather like the classic wisdom tooth. Not are cases are even close to being the same.
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Originally Posted by AllenG View Post
A little bit. The hand files are still used, although they can also be had on the end of an electric toothbrush like handpiece. Kinda like stitches and needles, sometimes the simplest solutions are the best.
Crowns and inlays can now be made in office. Pop added a Micro-CNC mill to his lab a few years ago. No more temp crowns and followup visits. And novacaine has improved somewhat as well, short acting novacaine being an example. No need to have a numb face for 8 hours for a simple procedure when 2 hours will do; much more comfortable for the patient.
By made in the office I take it you mean made in the office in less than an hour. Back more than 50 years ago many dentists did their own crowns, but same day would have been unusual.

Actually short acting novocaine or zylocaine were first. All you needed to do was leave out the vasoconstrictor in hte formulation. Problem with those was that it could wear off too soon. It does not surprise me (in hindsight) that they would find a shorter acting vasoconstrictor that would give a reliable 2 hours. That is a nice and easily overlooked advantage. My dad was a Pedodontist (Childrens dentist) and a constant issue was keeping kids from chewing their cheeks after dental work. Shorter post work numbness would have helped with that problem.
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root canals are like c-sections. overrated, often unnecessary, and a boon to the insurance industry.
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Originally Posted by Keith99 View Post
By made in the office I take it you mean made in the office in less than an hour. Back more than 50 years ago many dentists did their own crowns, but same day would have been unusual.

Actually short acting novocaine or zylocaine were first. All you needed to do was leave out the vasoconstrictor in hte formulation. Problem with those was that it could wear off too soon. It does not surprise me (in hindsight) that they would find a shorter acting vasoconstrictor that would give a reliable 2 hours. That is a nice and easily overlooked advantage. My dad was a Pedodontist (Childrens dentist) and a constant issue was keeping kids from chewing their cheeks after dental work. Shorter post work numbness would have helped with that problem.
Yeah, Pop could (now retired) use the CNC machine to cut a crown in about 20 mins. He still sent a lot of work out to the lab as well.
Somewhere I still have the molds my grandfather (also a dentist) use to cast his own crowns. Not too sophisticated, but they lasted for years.
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Originally Posted by scottmorrison99 View Post

I can't imagine how that might come up, but....Okaaay.
When you get a vasectomy, they shoot you twice with novocaine in the nuts.

I just had my wisdom teeth taken out a few days ago, and other than the fact I think I lost my blood clots and it's going to hurt like hell once I run out of pain meds, the actual procedure itself wasn't all that bad. I got the IV anesthetic done as well. I remember telling the Dr. afterwards that I really enjoyed the whole thing. So yeah....I was a bit out of it. Then I slept for like 20 hours.
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