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Old 08-24-07, 07:51 AM
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teaching is a thankless job

some colleges have excellent education programs. i think the profession has come a long way and, in general, good teachers are underpaid.

all that being said, you run into exceptions. people who don't care to be "ambassadors for the profession."

i have a buddy that decided to change professions. he went back to school and just started teaching high school english. he worked ft while going to school ft and still had a family, etc. i'm impressed.

then, i talk to him yesterday. we end up talking about the "quality" of students nowadays, etc. he mentions that one of his classes didn't know gulible was no longer considered a word. it has been taken out of the dictionary.

well, i have never heard that either so i looked it up. several on-line dictionaries still listed it...and it wasn't listed at slang or colloquial. i looked at my old webster's dictionary from high school. its in there too.

how the hell can we as tax payers feel comfortable with our educators when things like this happen. i mean, he's an english teacher for christ's sake! he should know better. and our taxes are paying his salary. ridiculous.
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some colleges have excellent education programs. i think the profession has come a long way and, in general, good teachers are underpaid.

all that being said, you run into exceptions. people who don't care to be "ambassadors for the profession."

i have a buddy that decided to change professions. he went back to school and just started teaching high school english. he worked ft while going to school ft and still had a family, etc. i'm impressed.

then, i talk to him yesterday. we end up talking about the "quality" of students nowadays, etc. he mentions that one of his classes didn't know gulible was no longer considered a word. it has been taken out of the dictionary.

well, i have never heard that either so i looked it up. several on-line dictionaries still listed it...and it wasn't listed at slang or colloquial. i looked at my old webster's dictionary from high school. its in there too.

how the hell can we as tax payers feel comfortable with our educators when things like this happen. i mean, he's an english teacher for christ's sake! he should know better. and our taxes are paying his salary. ridiculous.
Really?
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I always thought the exception was the good teachers. hmmmmm

Seriously, I didn't know gullible was removed....interesting

If this is still true, it reads like it happened by accident (hackers) and not intention http://www.watleyreview.com/2006/051606-1.html
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That's actually a joke, a play on the meaning of the word: "Hey, did you know gullible is not in the dictionary?" The joke--in case you'd missed it--is that people who ARE gullible may actually believe you.

Are you entirely sure he wasn't pulling your leg? (Not literally--that's a phrase that means "teasing you by saying something that seems true but is actually a joke." )
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Atomship, can you check and see if henweigh or dickfor are in your dictionary for me?
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Old 08-24-07, 08:40 AM
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Atomship, can you check and see if henweigh or dickfor are in your dictionary for me?
are you sure those are the correct spellings?
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It's really spelled dickfer.


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are you sure those are the correct spellings?
I think Stacey maybe be right on dickfer, but I am sure about henweigh. I can't believe you have not seen a henweigh?!!
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Wait??? You mean there are actually good school teachers??? Next thing you will tell me there are actually real flying Unicorns.
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Originally Posted by atomship47 View Post
...then, i talk to him yesterday. we end up talking about the "quality" of students nowadays, etc. he mentions that one of his classes didn't know gulible was no longer considered a word. it has been taken out of the dictionary.

well, i have never heard that either so i looked it up. several on-line dictionaries still listed it...and it wasn't listed at slang or colloquial. i looked at my old webster's dictionary from high school. its in there too...
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Wait??? You mean there are actually good school teachers??? Next thing you will tell me there are actually real flying Unicorns.
Do you mean 'are' in the precise or general meaning. E.g. are you including were in are? If so yes they at least used to exist. I remember seeing a few. Oh wait! I started trying to count and my mind drifted. There was one from my stepsons days. That was just 4 years ago. I'll bet that one is still teaching!

But more and more they seem the exception at least in public schools. It almost seems the system is set up to frustrate and drive out good teachers.
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Do you mean 'are' in the precise or general meaning. E.g. are you including were in are? If so yes they at least used to exist. I remember seeing a few. Oh wait! I started trying to count and my mind drifted. There was one from my stepsons days. That was just 4 years ago. I'll bet that one is still teaching!

But more and more they seem the exception at least in public schools. It almost seems the system is set up to frustrate and drive out good teachers.
Seems like the school board would frown on that. What if one of the flying unicorns hit a student with a hoof or something?
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But more and more they seem the exception at least in public schools. It almost seems the system is set up to frustrate and drive out good teachers.
Guy goes in, sees what the teacher actually does. Asks what his pay is and then offers to double it.
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Guy goes in, sees what the teacher actually does. Asks what his pay is and then offers to double it.
Which is proof teachers suck at math since they always seem to forget they don't work year round. My sister is a teach and my in-laws are retired. My sister makes more per hour than I do actually (EE) and she admits that there is no way she would have survived the classes in college I had to take. Of course everyone would like to make more money.
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Becoming a teacher is a cop out from having to work in the real world.
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Becoming a teacher is a cop out from having to work in the real world.
Would there be a real world to work in without teachers?
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Would there be a real world to work in without teachers?
Apparently so, since there are very bright people out there that never want to college. There are kids that are home schooled, they turn out find. People learn on there own all of the time.
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home school = parent is a teacher. never mentioned college. but in order to get knowledge, one must have a source to go to. books are teachers, etc. If we did not learn from our past collective experiences, we would still huddled in a cave, grunting and hitting each other with rocks.
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home school = parent is a teacher. never mentioned college. but in order to get knowledge, one must have a source to go to. books are teachers, etc. If we did not learn from our past collective experiences, we would still huddled in a cave, grunting and hitting each other with rocks.
Ah, so redefine "teacher" on the fly. I thought you meant professionally paid teacher.
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Most times I do not know what I mean.
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Most times I do not know what I mean.
Better than me, because I never know.
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I forget the details, but I remember a piece on radio that was about this phenomenal teacher. He taught in a poor area and I think over 90% of his kids went to college.

Ah, he wrote a book, Teach like your hair was on fire.
http://www.amazon.com/Teach-Like-You...7979619&sr=1-1

There are good teachers.

What we have is an antiquated system hamstrung by politics. And when I say politics, almost everyone wants and gets their pound of flesh out of the public school system. Conservatives are always hovering with sharp instruments. Liberals have their well known agenda. Sports fans are willing to let their kids become drolling morons; far too many would be willing to empty the schools as long as the teams still play.

You want to know why American education sucks? Look in the mirror.

And it won't change.
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Apparently so, since there are very bright people out there that never want to college. There are kids that are home schooled, they turn out find. People learn on there own all of the time.
I never went to college. I barely graduated High School. My kids were home schooled. I own 2 successful companies (just sold another one) and I have turned around three other companies. My daughter was home schooled and is finishing up her Phd in BioPhysics.

She graduated from HS at 17 with 8 AP course (her last 2 years were in Public school to make it easier to get into college) - her opinion, school is state sponsered babysitting.

By the way, though my wife has a degree in teaching, we didn't teach our kids. Plenty of good material where they teach themselves. We figured they might as well learn eventually. We did administer the tests and if they didn't get at a least a 90, they went back and took the section again.
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My mom used to be an elementary school teacher then she decided to stay home after having kids. She home schooled some of us for a while before we went into the regular school system. Now amongst the kids we have a PhD, MD, JD and a few in college, one of whom is barely 20 and works on the side (while still in college) for $26/hour working for a PR firm in DC. Go little sis!!!!
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Apparently so, since there are very bright people out there that never want to college. There are kids that are home schooled, they turn out find. People learn on there own all of the time.
This thread is hilarious! I'm a 5th grade teacher and love it. Are there crappy ones? Of course.

Hopefully my students will turn out finE.


One quick question, since we don't need teachers and everyone will be home schooled, who will work? Or is your plan to go back to the 1800's where everyone farmed and less than 5% of the population could read?
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