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Old 09-28-07, 11:43 AM
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Researchers say WiFi a health hazard.

Do you use it.
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Electromagnetic field sensitivity is an empirical chimera.

Riding in on peer-reviewed research, but flunking every major test, the idea that wireless technology amounts to a modern health threat presents a conundrum to proponents and skeptics alike. With Wi-Fi networks blanketing homes, schools and even whole cities, they've become the latest flash point in a struggle that's arced from power lines to microwaves, cell phones and even computers, spanning decades of debate.

To sufferers of EMF sensitivity, however, such academic battles are exasperating. To them, it's as if their symptoms, and even their sanity, are under attack.

"A professor called it Compulsive Risk Assessment Psychosis, otherwise known as CRAP,'" said Rod Read of ElectroSensitivity-UK, a registered charity in Britain. "He says everyone is deluded. It insults and abuses people who are sick. I thought that went out with the Victorian era."

British author Kate Figes recently described a sensation akin to being "prodded all over your body by 1,000 fingers" when in the presence of a Wi-Fi signal. When Michael Bevington fell ill, he blamed a network recently installed at the prestigious school where he'd worked for 28 years: "Over the weekend, away from the classroom, I felt completely normal."

Plans for a Wi-Fi network at an Illinois school were scuppered after parents filed a lawsuit. The president of Canada's Lakehead University banned Wi-Fi on campus, likening it to second-hand smoke. In March, Toronto's public health department questioned plans to install a citywide network

https://www.wired.com/science/discove.../2006/12/72265
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It may very well be a health hazard, but what isn't?

Oh god, the plastic from the keyboard is leaching into my fingertips and causing neurosis dementia! AHHH!
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So these people are completely immune to the EMF from communications satellites and radio towers, not to mention the constant bombardment from cosmic radiation, but they go nutty in the presence of wireless signals? I guess the hypochondriacs gotta keep up with the times.
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Bulls h i t. Electromagnetic waves vary in frequency and intensity. Similar waves to WiFi, and even stronger have been on this Earth forever. We get plenty of radiation from space.
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It has to do with signal strength and length of exposure. Satellite signals are in the milliwat range of exposure, and have no significant effect on us. WiFi, as the theory goes has a 1 watt exposure level (1000X satellite signal exposure)over a similar duration of time. RF energy has been demonstrated to cause neurological damage to our CNS. How significant this is is still uinder research.

Our brains are an RF Emitter and reciever as well you know
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Originally Posted by x136 View Post
It may very well be a health hazard, but what isn't?
+1. Life is a terminal, sexually-transmitted disease.
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Old 09-28-07, 12:53 PM
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Does that mean I should put my aluminum shield back over my head?

I've heard about this, but do cellphones in your pocket or next to your head do more damage?
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That's actually not a bad idea.

I need to start knitting skull caps and underwear with Faraday cages built in and sell them for $500 a piece.
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Does that mean I should put my aluminum shield back over my head?

I've heard about this, but do cellphones in your pocket or next to your head do more damage?
In Rush Limbaughs case, no damage at all to the brain......you need to have one to damage one
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Old 09-28-07, 01:04 PM
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the same clowns also told me eggs were the worst thing i could possibly ever eat... and then two weeks later changed their minds... and then rechanged them again. and now i think they're ok to eat again but who really know or cares.

hell, while you're reading this post, you're prolly getting terminal eye strain and that coffee you're drinkin... LOL! we're all DOOOOOOMMMED!!!
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A little food for thought...

Consider the amount of man-made electromagnetic radiation generated 100 years ago and more. Very little. Today we are constantly bombarded by em rad. Is it healthy? Is it unhealty? I dunno, but anything in excess (even things like oxygen and water) can be harmful.
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All your cell phones are belong to us.
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- use a ground plane:

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So Hillary lets the cat out of the bag on Bill at last!
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WiFi signals. Mmmmkay.

There's nothing more important to direct resources toward? Cancer drugs...cure for diabetes...world hunger...poverty...Nope. Pretty much nope. WiFi signals.

I'm going to go get another beer.
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One of the theories floating around DARPA (the military uber-think tank that invented the internet) is that the brain injuries caused by roadside bombs in Iraq aren't entirely due to the blast wave. They've managed to identify pretty significant electromagnetic pulses from the explosions as well.
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One of the theories floating around DARPA (the military uber-think tank that invented the internet) is that the brain injuries caused by roadside bombs in Iraq aren't entirely due to the blast wave. They've managed to identify pretty significant electromagnetic pulses from the explosions as well.
That's kind of creepy. I usually associate EMPs with nuclear weapons... that's clearly not the case here, but what kinds of bombs are they?
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Our brains are an RF Emitter and reciever as well you know
When I use my HID light the bike computer works, but my brain displays 99.999 mph.
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Isn't psychosomata great?

People have been making these claims for years, and others studying it scientifically for almost as long. At absolute worst, they haven't disproven it, but double-blind testing has failed to find any evidence of it.
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That's kind of creepy. I usually associate EMPs with nuclear weapons... that's clearly not the case here, but what kinds of bombs are they?
Any explosion generates an EMP. The bigger the boom, the bigger the pulse.
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Originally Posted by Tom Stormcrowe View Post
Any explosion generates an EMP. The bigger the boom, the bigger the pulse.
Now that you say that, it seems obvious. Thanks, Tom.
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Originally Posted by Tom Stormcrowe View Post
Our brains are an RF Emitter and reciever as well you know
Whilst we typically think of our brains as being electromagnetic, which is in a sense true, the fundamental basis for electrical conductivity in the brain is far removed from that associated with ionizing radiation and electrical signals.

It is the flow of positively-charged ions across the membranes of our neurons that generates an "electrical potential" that results in nerve signal conduction, and the transmission between neurons is indeed not electrical in nature, but chemical, with small molecules, neurotransmitters, used to bridge the communication gap between neurons. So, damage through electrical stimulation is fairly unlikely at the levels we're talking about here. Plus, WiFi radiation is nowhere near energetic enough to induce ionisation of DNA, leading to spontaneous mutation (which causes cancer).

As for the mobile phones causing cancer, there have been no definitive studies to demonstrate that this is in fact the case. Cancer studies in mice do not transfer at all well, for a number of reasons, not least of which is that mice get completely different forms of cancer than humans - mice typically suffer sarcomas, whereas human cancers are almost exclusively endotheliomas, with the exception of gliomas and stem cell-based cancers.
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Originally Posted by Tom Stormcrowe View Post
RF energy has been demonstrated to cause neurological damage to our CNS. How significant this is is still under research.
I never said it was a proven connection on cells, I actually said it was still being researched RF energy does other damage though, such as increase brain permeability. I can't document this as the source requires subscription, but if you are a Blackwell Subscriber, the link is here:
https://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi...1975.tb36019.x

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Whilst we typically think of our brains as being electromagnetic, which is in a sense true, the fundamental basis for electrical conductivity in the brain is far removed from that associated with ionizing radiation and electrical signals.

It is the flow of positively-charged ions across the membranes of our neurons that generates an "electrical potential" that results in nerve signal conduction, and the transmission between neurons is indeed not electrical in nature, but chemical, with small molecules, neurotransmitters, used to bridge the communication gap between neurons. So, damage through electrical stimulation is fairly unlikely at the levels we're talking about here. Plus, WiFi radiation is nowhere near energetic enough to induce ionisation of DNA, leading to spontaneous mutation (which causes cancer).

As for the mobile phones causing cancer, there have been no definitive studies to demonstrate that this is in fact the case. Cancer studies in mice do not transfer at all well, for a number of reasons, not least of which is that mice get completely different forms of cancer than humans - mice typically suffer sarcomas, whereas human cancers are almost exclusively endotheliomas, with the exception of gliomas and stem cell-based cancers.
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No change in uptake of either tracer was found in any of the eight regions as compared with those of sham-exposed animals.
...a 1439 MHz TDMA field did not induce observable changes in the permeability of the BBB, morphological changes in the cerebellums, or body mass changes in rats...
...the observed changes are not due to field-specific interaction.
Exposure to pulsed 2,450-MHz radiation for 20 min at average power densities of 0.5, 1, 5, 20, 145 or 1,000 mW/cm2, which resulted in average specific absorption rates (SARs) of 0.04, 0.08, 0.4, 1.6, 11.5 or 80.0 mW/g in the brain, did not produce staining, except in the pineal body, the pituitary gland, and the choroid plexus - regions that normally are highly permeable.
After correcting the data for thermal effects of the microwave radiation, no significant increase in permeation was found.
From the abstracts (I'm not in the lab at the moment, so can't get onto my subscription), it seems as though they're saying that there is no effect on blood brain barrier permeability as a result of exposure to radiofrequency fields.
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