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Old 10-01-07, 04:29 PM
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Start Em Early so they don't binge drink?

http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/09/27...ing/index.html

Makes some sense i guess. ?
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Seems to work in Europe.
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Works perfectly in Europe, from what I've seen.

I've never understood the point of a drinking age of 21 in the US. People underage still get their booze anyway, and all it does it encourage alcohol to be treated like an illicit substance, thus binged on.
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I was raised drinking watered down wine with dinner as a child, beer once I was old enough to not go "blech that's gross!" when offered a sip by my father. Drinking is something I do fairly regularly but usually with some sense of moderation. Of course the suggestion that binge drinking isn't prevalent in Europe is foolishness. Drunkards are everywhere.
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Its a culture thing. Yeah, it works in Europe, it will never work here.
Its been tried already. It was called "The 70's"......
If it didnt work in an era were people were smarter and way more aware than
they are now, it certainly wouldnt work second time 'round in this society as it is now.
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Originally Posted by -=£em in Pa=- View Post
Its a culture thing. Yeah, it works in Europe, it will never work here.
Its been tried already. It was called "The 70's"......
If it didnt work in an era were people were smarter and way more aware than
they are now, it certainly wouldnt work second time 'round in this society as it is now.
Was alcohol ever illegal in Europe?
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If it didnt work in an era were people were smarter and way more aware than
they are now
It would bring me great joy if you would attempt to qualify this.
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Just my opinion...no qualification necassary
I was born in the 50's so Ive seen a few decades.
From societal issues to culture and media...nothing today
is as 'good' as it was. Now pass that bong please.....
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Originally Posted by BLIMP View Post
It would bring me great joy if you would attempt to qualify this.
He means stoned.
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The problem with trying the European system here is that the culture is vastly different. Personal-responsibility is something that's absolutely missing here on a large scale (look at the rates of personal-injury and tort lawsuits).

The other issue is the transition process. Going from a prohibitive system to all's-fair-game will invariably have an increase in abuse before people finally catch on that it's no longer necessary to rebel. Unfortunately, it may take an entire generation for this lesson to catch on. Not sure of we can get the necessary support and follow-up training in order to make it work, even if legislation is passed to be similar to Europe.
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Originally Posted by BLIMP View Post
It would bring me great joy if you would attempt to qualify this.
Smarter, perhaps not - but more aware? Pray tell what your generation has ever done compared to those in the 60s and Civil Rights? It took a tremendous amount of awareness to deal with Civil Rights and the Vietnam war.

Just my dos colones.
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Of course, after they got really stoned you can say they lost that awareness.
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You don't feel a need to qualify your own opinions? Even to yourself? Heh.

It's a foolish taboo that has its downside, and introducing kids to alcohol early may help to alleviate this. However, if you think that it will eliminate the heavy drinking associated with many aspects of our cultural heritage, you're sorely mistaken, at least in the context of a couple decades. Even then, getting sloshed now and then is a common human behavior that I don't see being abandoned.
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Originally Posted by DannoXYZ View Post
The problem with trying the European system here is that the culture is vastly different. Personal-responsibility is something that's absolutely missing here on a large scale (look at the rates of personal-injury and tort lawsuits).

The other issue is the transition process. Going from a prohibitive system to all's-fair-game will invariably have an increase in abuse before people finally catch on that it's no longer necessary to rebel. Unfortunately, it may take an entire generation for this lesson to catch on. Not sure of we can get the necessary support and follow-up training in order to make it work, even if legislation is passed to be similar to Europe.
If I wuznt so burnt frum brown asid this iz wut I wood have sed !!

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Originally Posted by BLIMP View Post
You don't feel a need to qualify your own opinions? Even to yourself? Heh.

It's a foolish taboo that has its downside, and introducing kids to alcohol early may help to alleviate this. However, if you think that it will eliminate the heavy drinking associated with many aspects of our cultural heritage, you're sorely mistaken, at least in the context of a couple decades. Even then, getting sloshed now and then is a common human behavior that I don't see being abandoned.
Im a product of a time were Fathers taught their Sons to drink. Everyone drank
at an early age. Parents did all the stuff that is illegal now like get beer for
kids and let them par-tay in the rumpus room under thier watchful eye. To skip to
the final chapter of this epic bore 'd force I am sober now for a reason. I watched
a lot of my classmates who learned responsible drinking, die. Smart people
can philosophize and theorize and wax pedantly all they want but Ive seen it / done
and responsible drinking isnt pretty.
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Originally Posted by crtreedude View Post
Smarter, perhaps not - but more aware? Pray tell what your generation has ever done compared to those in the 60s and Civil Rights? It took a tremendous amount of awareness to deal with Civil Rights and the Vietnam war.

Just my dos colones.
There are times of transition, and there are times of stability. To look at one, or the participants of it, as lesser than others is laughably ahistorical. The capacity of humans to transfer information amongst groups of individuals in itself is enough to bring up a plethora of cases and arguments rendering your point moot. It's not as if activism or awareness are dead, they're just located on the periphery right now (note: this does not mean they are ineffective), what with the stability and all.
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Originally Posted by BLIMP View Post
It's not as if activism or awareness are dead, they're just located on the periphery right now (note: this does not mean they are ineffective), what with the stability and all.

I guess its a generational thing that could be argued indefinately.
What you said IS the microcsm of the macrocosm....To us grotty, burnt
oldies the 'stability' you mention is apathy. Now more than ever the time
is right for a palace revolution but this generation is happy with the status quo
they reside in.


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I started early and still managed to binge drink. Like my dad. And his dad. (Sometimes, you can't out run your genes.)
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I started early and still managed to binge drink. Like my dad. And his dad. (Sometimes, you can't out run your genes.)
Or your parents.
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My father is French. My parents have been serving me wine since I was just over 10. I'm 18 now, and have never had the desire to binge drink, only been mildly drunk once, and never plan to repeat that again. I'd say it works.
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works for you...... it's all in the parenting. This is just another way to come up with a solution for bad parenting.
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Or maybe it's another solution to avoid the need for a personally developed and internalized sense of responsibility towards yourself and others. This really isn't an issue that can be framed in a single context or understood as the consequence of a single event or even a linked string of events, nor should it be.
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I used to give my kids a sip of my beer and they have never been binge drinking...

Mind you, my daughter is 7.



Seriously though. I used to sip my grandfathers beer from about 8 years of age have never been 'into' alcohol. Yes, I have a glass of wine or a beer from time to time, but never to get drunk...

There might be a lot to the theory.
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