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Old 02-04-08, 07:25 AM
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My friend and i are next door neighbors and both live in single room apartments that we are looking to sublease over summer. He listed his place on craigslist and immediately got a lot of contact so he agreed to the first one.

It is a 20-something working for a large company. He is from Europe and is being relocated to the states and needs a place to stay. His company, it's claimed, is going to send my friend a $7,000 check, of which only about $1200 would go to rent. The rest of the money my friend is to send to this guys travel agent so he can arrange for travel and help get him setup here.

My friend tells me this and my response is probably similar to yours in that it is surprising but ummm...yeah, whatever.

He continues to gets emails and has been forwarding them to me as i have yet to list my apartment. I eventually get in contact with a woman who works for a company in England who is relocating an employee to the states. Long story short, she wants to send me a $3200 check, remove the rent, and send the rest to someone from "their company".

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will be sending you a US cashier check of $3200 which i will write
payable to your name and which is cashable in your bank. I am sending you
that much money because i am out of the country at the moment and my
staff will be in need of physical cash in order to arrange her flight
ticket and shop for other necessary things to take along to the States.
So as soon as you receive the cashier's check, take it to the bank and
cash it, remove the rent payment for the agreed period which is $640 and other MoneyGram charges then you can send the balance down to my
staff through MoneyGram so that she can buy her
ticket and other necessary items that will be useful during her training
programme.
Today i got a response from another person who has thus far claimed that they are from Europe and will be doing medical research here (very possible, our hospital is renowned and pretty huge) and will need a place to stay. No discussion of sending a check yet.

I don't see what i have to lose but it all seems pretty fishy to me.
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My friend and i are next door neighbors and both live in single room apartments that we are looking to sublease over summer. He listed his place on craigslist and immediately got a lot of contact so he agreed to the first one.

It is a 20-something working for a large company. He is from Europe and is being relocated to the states and needs a place to stay. His company, it's claimed, is going to send my friend a $7,000 check, of which only about $1200 would go to rent. The rest of the money my friend is to send to this guys travel agent so he can arrange for travel and help get him setup here.

My friend tells me this and my response is probably similar to yours in that it is surprising but ummm...yeah, whatever.

He continues to gets emails and has been forwarding them to me as i have yet to list my apartment. I eventually get in contact with a woman who works for a company in England who is relocating an employee to the states. Long story short, she wants to send me a $3200 check, remove the rent, and send the rest to someone from "their company".



Today i got a response from another person who has thus far claimed that they are from Europe and will be doing medical research here (very possible, our hospital is renowned and pretty huge) and will need a place to stay. No discussion of sending a check yet.


I don't see what i have to lose but it all seems pretty fishy to me.
interesting.

sounds similar to an email i just received.

Greetings!

I am Obi Okafor, personal assistant to former Delta State Executive
Governor, Chief James Onanefe Ibori,who is currently in detention
over alleged abused of office and misappropriations of public funds
during 8 years of his administration.

In strength of this recent development I am contacting you for a
business proposition that would be of immense mutual benefit to both
of us,if and only you will collaborate with me in this once in a life
opportunity.

There is no risk involve as such it is 100% risk free transaction if
you carefully adhere strictly to my instructions and follow them
religiously.

The proposition As I speak, I am custody of vital information to a
large deposit, which I handled for him during his tenure as the
Executive Governor of Delta State.
The funds are deposited in a security vault in Spain waiting for
clearance.

The federal government of Nigeria had frozen some of his assets he
acquired why in office, in Britain and United states but I know of his
investments and secret accounts managed by financial experts in South
Africa, Brazil and North American which are vulnerable to smart
investors that is taking advantage of probe of his administration
by Economic and Financial Crimes Commission (EFCC) to divert his
starched deposits in foreign banks and foreign assets because
the Law forbid public servant to operate foreign account hence
his many shortcomings which smart investors are capitalizing on
to convert his loots to their personal investments destination for
the purpose of re-investing it.

I have sufficient information for us to claim and re-direct the deposit
of $7.5M United States Dollars in Spain into an account which you shall
provide when you signify interest to collaborate with me as a foreign
partner.

The fund was carefully arranged in robotic metallic box and deposited
in security vault in Madrid. If you are competent to handle and
collaborate with me on this project, please do provide with me with the
following information so that we can open communication, sharing
percentage is 50/50

Your full names…………………………………………
Contact address………………………………………
Profession………………………………………………
Tel/fax number…………………………………………
Phone:…………………………………………
Fax:…………………………………………
Age……………………………………………………
Sex………………………………………………………

Time is of the essence because there is a lot of things happening to
his large estates across the globe as we speak and this is the right
time for us to close this deal and have this funds re-directed and
invest it in a promising project as shall be recommended by you because
of my limited knowledge of what to do to the funds and safe place to
re-invest it.

I look forward to hearing from you soon via
email: obi.gov.delta@live.com

Best regards,

Obi Okafor.
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Make sure you get your cut, right? The entire excess isn't going to "their company" -is it? If they say it is, then I would report them to the feds. Who would ever think they could get away with that?? Sorry, the world doesn't work that way. Tell them you get at least half of the excess or you report them to the feds and be sure to keep their e-mails as evidence. Then make sure they keep up the payments -- that is if they want to keep doing "their company's" business here and not get fined or go to prison. And send some of that my way too.. seriously this is some good stuff here. yeah?

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Originally Posted by botto View Post
interesting.

sounds similar to an email i just received.


Oh yeah.. right. It had to be a Nigerian. Whatever man, we all know you lie. habitually. Nobody even reads your stuff anymore botto. Nobody that matters.
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Oh yeah.. right. It had to be a Nigerian. Whatever man, we all know you lie. habitually. Nobody even reads your stuff anymore botto. Nobody that matters.
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I try not to wear my Tin Foil hat too often, but it seems like an interesting way to launder money. I'm just not sure why they'd spend $1280 to do...whatever...with $1900
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They aren't. So don't send anyone any money.
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It's a scam, and a fairly common one.
they send you an international cheque, you take out the rent, and then give them the difference.

The international cheque then bounces and you are out the money you gave them.

I know here in the UK international cheques appear as 'cleared' in your account (and therefore available for you to spend) before they have actually been cleared. So it looks like it was all legit, a few weeks later the money is withdrawn from your account when the cheque bounces.

This is a very common story on a windsurfing forum I use, people get a cheque for 4k for a 1k surfboard, someone turns up to pick it up, they give the bloke the board and 3k change. A week later the cheque bounces and the person has lost 3k and the surfboard.

Don't do it, no-one would legitimately do business this way.
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I try not to wear my Tin Foil hat too often, but it seems like an interesting way to launder money. I'm just not sure why they'd spend $1280 to do...whatever...with $1900
the point is that this is the internet era, where CCs can take care of travel, and wiring money from one bank to the next is not at all difficult.

what reputable company would ask a private person to cash an international check, on behalf of one of their employees? none.
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Originally Posted by timmyquest View Post
My friend and i are next door neighbors and both live in single room apartments that we are looking to sublease over summer. He listed his place on craigslist and immediately got a lot of contact so he agreed to the first one.

It is a 20-something working for a large company. He is from Europe and is being relocated to the states and needs a place to stay. His company, it's claimed, is going to send my friend a $7,000 check, of which only about $1200 would go to rent. The rest of the money my friend is to send to this guys travel agent so he can arrange for travel and help get him setup here.

My friend tells me this and my response is probably similar to yours in that it is surprising but ummm...yeah, whatever.

He continues to gets emails and has been forwarding them to me as i have yet to list my apartment. I eventually get in contact with a woman who works for a company in England who is relocating an employee to the states. Long story short, she wants to send me a $3200 check, remove the rent, and send the rest to someone from "their company".



Today i got a response from another person who has thus far claimed that they are from Europe and will be doing medical research here (very possible, our hospital is renowned and pretty huge) and will need a place to stay. No discussion of sending a check yet.

I don't see what i have to lose but it all seems pretty fishy to me.
What's wrong with subleasing to someone in Iowa? Being in Kansas, if I were subleasing, my first thought wouldn't be trying to find someone in Europe to sublease to.
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Scammers love CL. I get these types of "offers" on just about any item over $250 I post on there.

Most recently they all claim to be from England, but it's amazing how poor their English really is.

100% guaranteed you'll be relieved of your cash.
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the point is that this is the internet era, where CCs can take care of travel, and wiring money from one bank to the next is not at all difficult.

what reputable company would ask a private person to cash an international check, on behalf of one of their employees? none.
botto has the right of it. Scam. You cash the check and send the money to their employee and then YOUR bank comes back and says that the check was from a fraudulent account and that you will need to redeposit the money, including what you just sent to the employee. End result - U B screwed.
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Wire transfers are a piece of cake - if someone wants to do something with you - require a wire transfer. International checks are a pain in the neck - I agree - don't do it.

After all - they can easily go to a bank and deposite the check into a bank account - why in the world would they want to use you for a clearing house - if it was legit. If they are going to live in the USA they will need a bank account - might as well start now.
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SCAM!

Never deal with international bank cheques, cashier's cheques or money orders from CL listings. It's the current hottest scam going. Fake cheques/money orders aren't discovered sometimes until weeks after cashing them, and you're held accountable for the loss of cash.
I had a similar offer when I listed a bike on CL. "Oh, I can't make it to Washington, but I can have a buyer get you a cashier's cheque and arrange pickup." When I emailed back and asked why his buyer can't get a wire transfer for cash from him, the responses stopped.
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This scam, and "money transfer agents" are the biggest ways that criminals are fleecing people these days.

Usually this scam goes along these lines:

1: The victim receives a certified check for a large amount.
2: The victim is asked to wire x amount of money via Western Union to an address.
3: Even though the check is certified, a week later its found to be forged, and the money is sucked out of the account.
4: Victim has to write the losses off.

This occurs on Craigslist a lot when someone offers an item for sale. Some scammer will offer to buy the item with a certified check way over the cost of the item, and then ask to have most of the difference wired by Western Union. Of course, the check bounces (even if it is "certified"), and the seller is out the item and cash.

Another scam I see are "money transfer agents" that goes like this:

1: Victim is contacted with someone asking to deposit money via their PayPal account, then wire a Western Union moneygram for some of the PayPal deposit.
2: Victim gets the money, does the wire.
3: Victim is contacted by a buyer on eBay demanding an item (usually a laptop, but could be any high ticket item.)
4: Victim has to pay the eBay buyer by law, and is out the cash.

Lots of variations on both these scams these days. If people contact you about a job or a money making opportunity, even if it doesn't pass the "good to be true" alarm, I'd bin it anyway.
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My friend and i are next door neighbors and both live in single room apartments that we are looking to sublease over summer. He listed his place on craigslist and immediately got a lot of contact so he agreed to the first one.

It is a 20-something working for a large company. He is from Europe and is being relocated to the states and needs a place to stay. His company, it's claimed, is going to send my friend a $7,000 check, of which only about $1200 would go to rent. The rest of the money my friend is to send to this guys travel agent so he can arrange for travel and help get him setup here.

My friend tells me this and my response is probably similar to yours in that it is surprising but ummm...yeah, whatever.

He continues to gets emails and has been forwarding them to me as i have yet to list my apartment. I eventually get in contact with a woman who works for a company in England who is relocating an employee to the states. Long story short, she wants to send me a $3200 check, remove the rent, and send the rest to someone from "their company".



Today i got a response from another person who has thus far claimed that they are from Europe and will be doing medical research here (very possible, our hospital is renowned and pretty huge) and will need a place to stay. No discussion of sending a check yet.

I don't see what i have to lose but it all seems pretty fishy to me.
They may not be ripping you off, but they may be putting you at a lot of risk if you
end up being part of something not altogether legal. They could have given their employee
that money to start with, which could be retrieved in cash at an ATM. This sounds
extremely fishy.
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Timmy, I'm in, man. PM me for my financial details.

FREE MONEY!!!!

It's like getting a TAX REBATE from the guv'ment or something like that!
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Appreciate the (logical) responses...makes fairly good sense. I don't see why a bank would dish out cash for a check that has yet to clear though. Sure isn't helping the cause...
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Timmy, I'm in, man. PM me for my financial details.

FREE MONEY!!!!

It's like getting a TAX REBATE from the guv'ment or something like that!


No one offered me free money. Did you read the thread?
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I try not to wear my Tin Foil hat too often, but it seems like an interesting way to launder money. I'm just not sure why they'd spend $1280 to do...whatever...with $1900
Get her to do a wire transfer or set up an escrow.
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