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Old 03-01-08, 03:56 PM
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Okay, I've finally have a network established and doing some file sharing. My router is my modem and requires a WEP number for access (the router is wireless). All PCs utilize security software. When I look at available networks within range I see mine is 'secured' due to the WEP ID requirement. I am able to use some application software from the host PC but other applications won't open, I suppose due to lack of licensing on the remote PC. My network name and password are pretty simple but does the router access and security software make my network relatively secure?
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Originally Posted by fujibike View Post
Okay, I've finally have a network established and doing some file sharing. My router is my modem and requires a WEP number for access (the router is wireless). All PCs utilize security software. When I look at available networks within range I see mine is 'secured' due to the WEP ID requirement. I am able to use some application software from the host PC but other applications won't open, I suppose due to lack of licensing on the remote PC. My network name and password are pretty simple but does the router access and security software make my network relatively secure?
If you're running Windows, you're not going to be able to run many programmes off a remote computer. There's too many hard-coded paths starting with C:\ to allow you to run from anything else. Also too many dependent DLLs in the Windows folder. If you've got OSX, you can share the Applications folder and it'll run just fine on any other OSX machine on the network.

As for WEP, it sucks for security. Use WPA-PSK instead with a MAC-access list on the router.
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Remote desktop FTW.

I run a virtual Windows box on my Linux box so that I can remote from other Windows boxes using MSTSC, it's epic.

Also I only have to punch one hole in my firewall, and an unexpected one at that, as opposed to just opening my system up for e-****.
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What operating system (XP, Vista, etc.) does each computer use?
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Originally Posted by fujibike View Post
Okay, I've finally have a network established and doing some file sharing. My router is my modem and requires a WEP number for access (the router is wireless). All PCs utilize security software. When I look at available networks within range I see mine is 'secured' due to the WEP ID requirement. I am able to use some application software from the host PC but other applications won't open, I suppose due to lack of licensing on the remote PC. My network name and password are pretty simple but does the router access and security software make my network relatively secure?
Did you just plug the router in and go with what it gave you? Because if you did, some kid with a laptop (like me ) may gain access to your router and lock you out. Or worse.
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Old 03-01-08, 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by StrangeWill View Post
Remote desktop FTW.

I run a virtual Windows box on my Linux box so that I can remote from other Windows boxes using MSTSC, it's epic.
Yeah, I've got one WinXP box running terminal-services in the closet. Then I've got thin clients all around the house. Laptops and such to connect with RDP. Can get up to about 10-users before things start slowing down. Gonna pick up a couple of wireless WinTerminals to put a station in the kitchen so the wife & I can look up recipes.

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Old 03-01-08, 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by DannoXYZ View Post
Yeah, I've got one WinXP box running terminal-services in the closet. Then I've got thin clients all around the house. Laptops and such to connect with RDP. Can get up to about 10-users before things start slowing down. Gonna pick up a couple of wireless WinTerminals to put a station in the kitchen so the wife & I can look up recipes.
Damn thats pretty cool, I haven't thought of using it like that yet, I thought of doing something similar with LinuxMCE, but like a lot of Linux projects, it takes forever to set up, isn't as compatible as people boast it is, and actually for once, is expensive and slow as hell, so I dropped the project.

However, I didn't know Windows XP had terminal services that can support multiple users.
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Originally Posted by StrangeWill View Post
However, I didn't know Windows XP had terminal services that can support multiple users.
Yeah, the standard WinXP-pro is limited to one remote-desktop session. But the beta-release of SP2 had a terminal-session DLL that allows up to 3 clients. That DLL can be retrofitted and there are hacked versions that allows unlimited clients.

Nice thing about a centralized server is you have to install your set of applications on just one machine and all the remote stations will have access to it instantly. Same with the data, you don't even have to map drive-letters across the network.
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I'm waiting for our office to get Windows Server 2008. *drools*

I've heard some very good stuff about that OS.

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Windows Server 2008 rocks.

As for a home network, WEP is just as good as having the thing open and unsecured. If you can, use WPA2-PSK, or if your stuff doesn't support it, use WPA-PSK. Both XP and Vista can support WPA2. Once that is set up, use a trustworthy password generator like KeePass (which is open source) to generate a 63 character password. Paste that into your router's config, and then carry around a USB stick with the password on it to paste it into your machine's network configurations. Once that is done, you are as secure as you can get unless you want to create a subnet that requires machines to VPN into the server as a secondary layer. WPA is sort of a hack, but WPA2 is pretty good.
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Old 03-03-08, 04:52 AM
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Thanks much for all the advice.
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At home I simply have a MAC list and that's about as secure as you can get.
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MAC can be spoofed pretty easily...
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Originally Posted by DannoXYZ View Post
MAC can be spoofed pretty easily...
It's easy enough to spoof an address on any given machine but rather difficult to guess the right one on the list no? Are there brute force programmes out there that attack mac lists? Even then a router can be set up to deny up to so many wrong guesses right?
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MAC addresses get broadcast on the network. If your network is unsecured, you're broadcasting a list of every computer MAC on your network out there for anyone to see... all they have to do is pick one of them at random.

Get some security!

Edit: Hmm... I'll have to check when I get home, but the MAC addresses might be available even WITH security turned on.

Either way, trusting that MAC list to protect your wireless is useless!
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Originally Posted by DannoXYZ View Post
Yeah, I've got one WinXP box running terminal-services in the closet. Then I've got thin clients all around the house. Laptops and such to connect with RDP. Can get up to about 10-users before things start slowing down. Gonna pick up a couple of wireless WinTerminals to put a station in the kitchen so the wife & I can look up recipes.
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