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Old 07-21-08, 09:12 PM
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Foxes are neat critters. They have a natural inquisitiveness and their curiosity of us humans is well documented. Personally I think they could be easily domesticated. It is after all, just a small dog.

I'm sorry to hear about your neighbor's cat. April's dog tried to go after my cats when they first met. I think he's now learned that they are off limits.
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Originally Posted by donnamb View Post
Is there a wildlife organization that will come to your neighborhood to live trap and relocate?
I did talk to a woman from the Humane Society that was in the area. Seems to be a pretty universal happening for the Springs this year. I first noticed foxes around town about 4 years ago, now epidemic.

Biblical plague, or just potential coats and blankets?

Whoa! As I type, guess who's back. Didn't like the flash this time. Except for that, he's just about fearless.

I think he may have a circuit he trots, seems to show up here each night about 9:30pm.
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Old 07-21-08, 09:39 PM
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We have a pair that live around us somewhere and were putting food scraps not too far from the back door. The pair would tag team the food, swapping out to share. But the possum starting showing up. No big deal, just ugly. Then the skunk showed up. Okay, not good. Food scraps now go much further from the house.
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Old 07-21-08, 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Will G View Post
We have a pair that live around us somewhere and were putting food scraps not too far from the back door. The pair would tag team the food, swapping out to share. But the possum starting showing up. No big deal, just ugly. Then the skunk showed up. Okay, not good. Food scraps now go much further from the house.
Smelled a skunk real strong here a couple nights ago. Wonder if they eat those too?
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Old 07-22-08, 01:48 AM
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We had 3 foxes move in to a park next to us in London (lots of foxes in London) and the little grey squirrels disappeared pretty soon afterwards. Noisy *******s as well.
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Old 07-22-08, 05:13 AM
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Originally Posted by wernmax View Post
I did talk to a woman from the Humane Society that was in the area. Seems to be a pretty universal happening for the Springs this year. I first noticed foxes around town about 4 years ago, now epidemic.

Biblical plague, or just potential coats and blankets?

Whoa! As I type, guess who's back. Didn't like the flash this time. Except for that, he's just about fearless.

I think he may have a circuit he trots, seems to show up here each night about 9:30pm.
ballsy little guy ain't he...
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Old 07-22-08, 05:36 AM
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I got ten bucks that sez if you put out a bowl of kibble and a pillow, he'll fill his belly and take a nap with you. This could be the start of an amazing friendship. As long as he can come and go as he pleases, the animal control people couldn't say you were "keeping" him.

Don't be afraid, let your spirits meet.
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Originally Posted by wernmax View Post
I did talk to a woman from the Humane Society that was in the area. Seems to be a pretty universal happening for the Springs this year. I first noticed foxes around town about 4 years ago, now epidemic.

Biblical plague, or just potential coats and blankets?

Whoa! As I type, guess who's back. Didn't like the flash this time. Except for that, he's just about fearless.

I think he may have a circuit he trots, seems to show up here each night about 9:30pm.


This is so odd, yet fantastic!
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Hey, look what just showed up at my door. Cute little fellow, mumbling something about Gorilla Cookies. I told him I didn't have any, then he grabbed at his chest and shuffled off.
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Old 07-22-08, 01:24 PM
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Cute fox. Up on Isle Royale we had a fox that is apparently famous follow us for a whole leg of our backpacking trip.

They are so inquisitive and awesome.

I want one! =p
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Old 07-22-08, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by USAZorro View Post
Cool and interesting, but the situation is not one I would encourage. It might not be safe for you, and by habituating the fox, you may actually be hurting it's ability to survive the way foxes were meant to. It might also be against local ordinances to intentionally feed or keep a fox.
Foxes were meant to survive in a forest environment, humans screwed the little guy out of his forest home, so whats the big deal if humans help him learn to survive in the new world that we plastered over his?
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Old 07-22-08, 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Stacey View Post
I got ten bucks that sez if you put out a bowl of kibble and a pillow, he'll fill his belly and take a nap with you. This could be the start of an amazing friendship. As long as he can come and go as he pleases, the animal control people couldn't say you were "keeping" him.

Don't be afraid, let your spirits meet.
Another fox story. A few years back, I was stationed in Alaska and every 6 months or so, one of us would be flown via helo (only ground accessible via sled during the winter) to a nearby bombing range to act as Range Control Officer for the week. It sucked being away from home but we had access to both snow mobiles or quad runners and some of the best arctic grailing fishing. Very scenic, too. The facility was a collection of trailers which was pretty nice and included a large kitchen and dining room sliding patio doors that led onto a deck.

So, there I am eating chocolate chip cookies with a glass of milk for breakfast and I see a red fox peering into through the patio doors just 10 feet away. I stare at the fox. The fox stares at the cookies. I get up, walk to the patio doors, and the fox trots off the deck. I slide open the door a little and go sit down. The fox comes back up the door, takes a peek, and then enters, sitting under the dining room table. I place a cookie on the floor and go back to watching TV. The fox slinks over, grabs the cookie, and bolts out the door then proceeds to chow down on cookie. She returns back to her position under the dining room table. I put another cookie down. This one she grabs, heads out the door and off the deck, and out into the great Alaskan wilderness.
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Old 07-22-08, 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by wernmax View Post
I had to tell Karin, his owner of 10 years, about it the next day. She was pretty broken up by it, and was going to stay up nights with a .22, but we talked about why that really wasn't a good idea. Very sad, as I like cats, and now I think I know where mine have probably gone over the years, but I'm mostly country raised too, and know nature is a brutal master.
Too bad about the kitty, but an animal owner must realize there are a ton of risks when letting pets run wild--predators, cars, etc.

Cute fox, by the way!
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Old 07-22-08, 05:29 PM
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Sorry to be a buzz kill, but...

Acclimating a wild animal to humans (not chasing it out of your house) will not bode well for that animal.
He is cute, but if he enters someone's house who calls animal control, he'll be trapped and put down.
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Old 07-22-08, 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by ravenmore View Post
ballsy little guy ain't he...
Saw four of them playing in the street and my front yard about 5:30 this morning, probably litter mates, but I think it's only one guy that comes in, but I don't know, they all look identical.

Originally Posted by Stacey View Post
I got ten bucks that sez if you put out a bowl of kibble and a pillow, he'll fill his belly and take a nap with you. This could be the start of an amazing friendship. As long as he can come and go as he pleases, the animal control people couldn't say you were "keeping" him.

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You're probably right, but I just get way to attached to pets to have anymore.

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This is so odd, yet fantastic!
It is! It's very mind altering, in a way, to have a wild creature standing there staring at you.

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Sorry to be a buzz kill, but...

Acclimating a wild animal to humans (not chasing it out of your house) will not bode well for that animal.
He is cute, but if he enters someone's house who calls animal control, he'll be trapped and put down.
I'm with you there.

I have a feeling they'll be moving on soon, as they seem to have cleaned our area out of every little mammal that used to live here. I haven't even seen a squirrel in the last few days, and we used to be thick with those too. I'm hoping they don't just starve this winter.
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Must not comment...... I'm from the country.....
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Likewise.
I don't see why you can't express your opinion. Wild animals are like wild flowers. When they're rarely seen, and not causing any problems, you can appreciate their beauty; and when they're common, and causing you problems, they are vermin, or weeds, and you exterminate them.

And it's not even a country vs city thing. City dwellers used to love pigeons and raccoons, because they were uncommon and not considered a nuisance, and now they consider them pests, because they've gotten numerous and bothersome.

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I'm hoping they don't just starve this winter.
In our area, they got so numerous that mange spread easily among them, and many of them froze to death due to lack of warm winter fur. Apparently that is one mechanism that controls their population.


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I got ten bucks that sez if you put out a bowl of kibble and a pillow, he'll fill his belly and take a nap with you.
Possible, but unlikely. I read a report on DNA studies that showed pretty well all dogs, no matter what they looked like, are more closely related to each other and to wolves than foxes are to wolves. So dogs are domesticated wolves. Foxes have been around humans as long as wolves have, but they've never been domesticated. Why? Because they're not naturally pack animals and can't be trained to see a human as the pack leader and in charge of them.
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Yikes! I saw "Strange little visitor" and thought you were talking about me for a minute!

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Possible, but unlikely. I read a report on DNA studies that showed pretty well all dogs, no matter what they looked like, are more closely related to each other and to wolves than foxes are to wolves. So dogs are domesticated wolves. Foxes have been around humans as long as wolves have, but they've never been domesticated. Why? Because they're not naturally pack animals and can't be trained to see a human as the pack leader and in charge of them.
Just like my cats then.
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Just like my cats then.
Good point - foxes are more like cats in being more solitary hunters, etc.
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Good point - foxes are more like cats in being more solitary hunters, etc.
I was alluding to the fact that 'dogs have masters and cats have staff'.
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Originally Posted by cooker View Post
Possible, but unlikely. I read a report on DNA studies that showed pretty well all dogs, no matter what they looked like, are more closely related to each other and to wolves than foxes are to wolves. So dogs are domesticated wolves. Foxes have been around humans as long as wolves have, but they've never been domesticated. Why? Because they're not naturally pack animals and can't be trained to see a human as the pack leader and in charge of them.
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Possible, but unlikely. I read a report on DNA studies that showed pretty well all dogs, no matter what they looked like, are more closely related to each other and to wolves than foxes are to wolves. So dogs are domesticated wolves. Foxes have been around humans as long as wolves have, but they've never been domesticated. Why? Because they're not naturally pack animals and can't be trained to see a human as the pack leader and in charge of them.
Actually, there are people who have pet foxes and they can be domesticated somewhat. They still retain some wildness though. A freind of mine had an arctic blue fox for a pet in college. That was one crazy critter. When you took him out, he wanted to ride on your shoulders cause he was scared of all the dogs other people had.
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Originally Posted by ModoVincere View Post
Actually, there are people who have pet foxes and they can be domesticated somewhat. They still retain some wildness though. A freind of mine had an arctic blue fox for a pet in college. That was one crazy critter. When you took him out, he wanted to ride on your shoulders cause he was scared of all the dogs other people had.
Several years ago I saw a couple "walking" a little black fox in the park. I say walk, but he more or less was slinking along. Beautiful animal!
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