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Old 11-11-08, 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by vtjim View Post
I agree with you, but people think it's their Gods-given right to drive.
YES

and anything else that is annoying to others (at best - lethal at worst)

It's my god-given right to hate and despise such louts
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Old 11-11-08, 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Minesbroken View Post
Thats just a tiny bit steep...
yes, but for a newb you have to like 'serious ca-ca!' Mind if I borrow that on occasion?
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I found it, its 15 years old... its kind of corny:


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Melt within her precious eyes
I cannot laugh
Cannot cry
Cannot love
And cannot die
A lonely man
Dreg of society
Wrought with confusion
And inner anxiety
Run if you can you’re the gingerbread man
For if you get caught it will ruin your plans
You will join the children who fall through the sands
Had only I known my stormy November
The pain inside your heart did linger
I am the weeping tree
I absorb all your fire
All your pain
All your fear
And all your rain
And thought she lay beneath the flowers
I guard her still for endless hours
A promise spoken
Then was broken
I failed my vow
To keep you safe and far from hate
A broken man in a shattered land
His failing strength could not withstand
The weeping tree will always stand
To protect the one beneath the sand
Who’s candle burned with such a power
And gave new life to all that flowered
The weeping tree is within me
And where it stands will always be
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Originally Posted by Michigander View Post
I believe that one country in south America shoots people who drive drunk. Can't remember where though.
I heard that. Ecuador maybe.
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Originally Posted by vtjim View Post
I agree with you, but people think it's their Gods-given right to drive.
That plus people treat loss of license as economic capital punishment. Even judges. I am sure that most people w/ suspensions/revocations keep on driving anyway, they just can't think of anything else.
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Originally Posted by kidonabike View Post
working as a medic I have seen plenty of car crashes and a good portion of them were drunk.

Sadly enough it seems like the drunk always walks away while the innocent party is the one injured/killed...
There's an old EMS saying, "When you are at the scene of a car accident after midnight and you don't find a drunk, keep looking because someone is missing."
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Old 11-12-08, 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Michigander View Post
I believe that one country in south America shoots people who drive drunk. Can't remember where though.
My fiancee spent 2 years in a wheelchair, and now 11 years later still has to go 2 days/week to physical therapy because she was hit by a drunk driver.
I'm 100% in favour of shooting drunk drivers.
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Old 11-12-08, 07:06 PM
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Shooting drunk drivers isn't going to happen, as cathartic as it may be to advocate it. It would keep Michagander busy on weekends, though.

As for the proverbial slap on the wrist vs. the slap in the face for first offenders - I suspect it doesn't make a whole lot of difference. There are some decent, aware, normally responsible people who get a DUI even thought they know better because they made a bad call. For these folks, the humilation of being handcuffed, carted off to jail, being booked, and having to call someone to bail them out will be all they need to make sure they never drive under the influence ever again. What punishment comes later won't make a whole lot of difference: they are not going to do it again.

On the other hand, there are jerks and alcoholics (not the same thing, although there is significant overlap in the groups) for whom no "slap" on the wrist or kick in the nuts will make a damn bit of difference. They may say all the right things (or not) and lament their stupidity (or not), but sure as God made little green apples, they'll do it again, because they are addicted to alcohol and/or self-centered idiots. If they are in prison for five years, they will be drinking and driving again five years and a day after they are incarcerated. You can damn near set a clock by them and their irresponsibility.

This is not advocacy for either a hard-line or soft-line approach to first offenders. Just an observation based on 51 years of people-watching and observing the human condition. And I will note that DUI's are treated much more seriously now than when I was first driving - and that is a very good thing.
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Originally Posted by pgoat View Post
yes, but for a newb you have to like 'serious ca-ca!' Mind if I borrow that on occasion?

Ah ha! You guys don't believe me because I'm a "newb". I'm going to have to firm up my claim and get back to you. "I'll be back"! Yes, it some serious chit, man.

Ecuador?

BTW, this is the same part of the world where they execute soccer goal keepers that allow a score and lose the game. They don't mess around - they are passionate people down there!

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People are selfish by nature. They make rash decisions. I've seen plenty of people who drive like crap when they're simply pissed off. You don't have to be drunk to make bad decisions about how you'll drive. You just have to be thinking about yourself more than others. Sounds like the Corvette girl thinks far more about herself than how her conduct might effect others.

I've represented people who've driven drunk and killed people. You go to prison here in my state for that. I've had clients who you'd think would have learned their lessons from prior bad behavior and those who were previously admired in the community. Either way, the results are the same to the victims and the families they left behind.

One of the most stupid fact patterns was an accused who, while on parole, got drunk with another parolee and hit somebody who was walking in a lane on the freeway, in an area that didn't have street lights, and the victim who was walking in the lane was wearing all black. The victim was drunk, too. Dumb luck, huh?

The saddest case of this offense was when I represented an old man who'd never gotten in trouble for anything before in his life. In fact, he was a veteran, and the community really loved him -- until he had too much to drink and drove into two little girls who were walking in the street after a snow storm, killing one of them.

I've always wondered what goes on in your head after you've had too much to drink and you decide to drive. Do you feel like you're okay? Do you think that if you're careful that nothing bad will happen? Do you sort of gamble on not getting caught, although you feel like you shouldn't drive? Do you not think anything of it at all?

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I've always wondered what goes on in your head after you've had too much to drink and you decide to drive. Do you feel like you're okay? Do you think that if you're careful that nothing bad will happen? Do you sort of gamble on not getting caught, although you feel like you shouldn't drive? Do you not think anything of it at all?
The decisions made after intoxication are always unreliable. Those decisions made before putting onesself into the situation in the first place are what matter most.
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Old 11-16-08, 12:39 PM
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you know, up here in toronto, the taxi is just as bad as a drunk driver...
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you know, up here in toronto, the taxi is just as bad as a drunk driver...
So you're sayin we should shoot taxi drivers as well??


I can live wif dat.
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While I was an EMT I had to respond to a "few" drunk collisions/wrecks (not accidents) and the stories I have while I teach Drivers Ed. hold me in good stead.

One young college student of 19 killed only herself while driving drunk, at 80 miles an hour she left the road and plowed THROUGH some small redwood trees of about 12 inches dia. She was ejected and ripped up but the only place she was not damaged was where the seatbelt should have been.

I tell EMT stories all the time in Drivers Ed, and have had a student or two leave the class because it was so gross (the story). I am doing my best to drive home the point that drunk driving is so wrong, period. Sadly some who should LISTEN are only entertained while the sober students seem to get it.

Aside from the tragic life stories which count the most, how much money would we save just in saved EMS calls if drunk driving were to go away? Just curious.....

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Quite a bit a money, I would guess.
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The decisions made after intoxication are always unreliable. Those decisions made before putting onesself into the situation in the first place are what matter most.
With Corvette girl she will deny that she was drunk. Even though she was passed out at the wheel and it was not from the impact. Her airbag went off and other than telling me that she swerved to avoid another car, she said the only thing she remembered is waking up to a cloud (the airbag gas) and that everyone was yelling at her "Hey lady, are you okay?"

She swears she only had 2 glasses of wine and drove fine with that. But then again another person said she told them she drank a bottle and then some.....
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With Corvette girl she will deny that she was drunk. Even though she was passed out at the wheel and it was not from the impact. Her airbag went off and other than telling me that she swerved to avoid another car, she said the only thing she remembered is waking up to a cloud (the airbag gas) and that everyone was yelling at her "Hey lady, are you okay?"

She swears she only had 2 glasses of wine and drove fine with that. But then again another person said she told them she drank a bottle and then some.....
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In the meanwhile, she may do it again - and this time, it WILL be a person she hits.

I know I started this thread days ago. But just thinking of this gets me so upset still.
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How does she keep car insurance?
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She told me (now get this) that her insurance company let her choose the car she wants the rate to go up on. So she chose the Corolla. I don't get it. I thought insurance in this case would follow HER not the car. *scratches head*

I think that she's not telling the truth somewhere.

Because she also said that she loses her license for one month and she gets to chose when. .....??....

I really don't know because I don't drink and have never experienced driving while drunk and it's consequences.
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She told me (now get this) that her insurance company let her choose the car she wants the rate to go up on. So she chose the Corolla. I don't get it. I thought insurance in this case would follow HER not the car. *scratches head*

I think that she's not telling the truth somewhere.

Because she also said that she loses her license for one month and she gets to chose when. .....??....

I really don't know because I don't drink and have never experienced driving while drunk and it's consequences.
Unless CA has some crazy weird "let the drunk drivers off the hook" thing, this seems really strange. Normally, once you've made the stupid decision and gotten caught, the parties involved (state, insurance) don't let you keep having control of the situation. She should be driving with SR22 insurance when she gets her license back which, on any car, will cost an arm and a leg.
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She should be driving with SR22 insurance when she gets her license back which, on any car, will cost an arm and a leg.
False.

SR22 is just a rider to an existing insurance policy that if insurance premiums lapse, sends a notification directly to the DMV. It adds about $20/mo to premiums.
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False.

SR22 is just a rider to an existing insurance policy that if insurance premiums lapse, sends a notification directly to the DMV. It adds about $20/mo to premiums.
What?!? Apparently I have no idea how insurance works.

I'd like to have my previous statement stricken from the records. Thank you.

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What?!? Apparently I have no idea how insurance works.

I'd like to have my previous statement stricken from the records. Thank you.
I am sad to say I learned how it works. I thought the same as you.
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People distracted by cell phones are just as dangerous.

More dangerous in many ways. I saw a woman driving 60 MPH in rush hour traffic steering with their knees with a phone in one hand and gesturing with the other (as if the person on the other line could see her dumbass). I tried to warn her to stop, but she flipped me off.

I called the police and gave them her licence plate #. I was very pissed, as this was after my accident with the old guy not paying attention. Dummy could have murdered someone. This was on the highway, btw.


I don't use this word lightly, so believe me when I say that I HATE cell-phone drivers. Drunk drivers also make the list. Where do you have to be that you need to be drunk first...nevermind. There is no logic to it.
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