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Old 02-06-09, 10:47 PM
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What's the deal with homeschooling?

I was watching Wife Swap tonight. One family home schooled their kids. Their 10 yr old son had the writing and math skills of a 1st grader, and looked completely socially awkward around other kids.
I researched on line and I was amazed at how many states have little or no regulations regarding home schooling.
If you ask me, it should be a federal law. If you're going to home school your kids, you should be required to have a college degree. Use an approved curriculum, and the kids should have to past state tests given at state facilities, not at home. If the kids fail the parents should be held accountable in some way.
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In my area the homeschoolers have to take the state tests and SATs at a high school, just like everyone else.

Home schooling really shouldn't be done unless at least one parent has a Master's, if not PhD.
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Or if the parent thinks the devil worshiping evolutionist hippies are steering their kid away from Jesus.

Just sayin'.
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home schooling seems like a bad idea.
it only looks good at times because
our public system is so lame.
home schooling is where parents get
to shelter their kids from any diversity
and imprint them with their own wacked views.
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teachers dont have to have one
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Every home schooled kid I've met has been socially awkward. Not being able to socialize does that to you. I have met some home schooled kids that would blow you away with their learned knowledge. Really amazing stuff. Having an intelligent teacher that knows how to find answers and can concentrate solely on you helps that as well... It's a toss-up, I suppose.
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In California, it's a way to rob the state's coffers while surreptitiously teaching mostly wacky religion based curriculum.
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Hey, I went to public school all my life, and I'm still socially awkward. Sometimes it's just the person more than the environment.
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Hey, I went to public school all my life, and I'm still socially awkward. Sometimes it's just the person more than the environment.
yeah but imagine if you didn't have any exposure to other people.
maybe you are just busy being smart.
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Hey, I went to public school all my life, and I'm still socially awkward. Sometimes it's just the person more than the environment.
No, you're not, not compared to home-schooled kids, anyway...
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If you ask me, it should be a federal law.
I have to say that I always find it frightening when someone suggests that the government enact a law that limits the citizen's liberties.
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Originally Posted by StupidlyBrave View Post
I have to say that I always find it frightening when someone suggests that the government enact a law that limits the citizen's liberties.
i agree but liberty requires intelligence to be used safely or effectively-to many people
lack this prerequisite
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Originally Posted by lauren View Post
Limiting one person's liberties, or preventing the whole society from having to endure another easily preventable burden? Many of these homeschoolers are Christian fundamentalists, often teaching their children to have as many children as physically possible. Got to stop them before they breed like feral cats and take over so they can get rid of evil stuff like science
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Limiting one person's liberties, or preventing the whole society from having to endure another easily preventable burden? Many of these elected officials are Christian fundamentalists, often teaching their children to have as many children as physically possible.
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Originally Posted by StupidlyBrave View Post
I have to say that I always find it frightening when someone suggests that the government enact a law that limits the citizen's liberties.
It's about protecting the kids, so they have the same opportunities to succede in life as kids who's parents send them to school.
A few years ago, I remember seeing a story on a couple who's 8 yr old kid didn't speak any recognized language. After some research, police found the kid only spoke klingon.
Do you think punishing the parents would be violating their rights, or should they have the right to completly **** up a little kid like that?
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I was home schooled in 7th and 8th grade by my mother.
When I finished 6th grade I was terribly far behind in just about every subject. When I returned to the public school system in 9th grade I placed a year above where I should have been and as a result skipped to 10th grade. However, my mother is now a teacher but she was not at the time. Apparently, she must have done something right.

What I will give you is that it does nothing for ones social skills. Not that I had any to begin with.
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Originally Posted by efrobert View Post
It's about protecting the kids, so they have the same opportunities to succede in life as kids who's parents send them to school.
A few years ago, I remember seeing a story on a couple who's 8 yr old kid didn't speak any recognized language. After some research,
police found the kid only spoke klingon.
Do you think punishing the parents would be violating their rights, or should they have the right to completly **** up a little kid like that?
Is this from real life or from TV (as snopes.com suggests)?
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Maybe in addition to needing a degree to homeschool your children, you should need a degree to have them in the first place.
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Maybe in addition to needing a degree to homeschool your children, you should need a degree to have them in the first place.
I have four and they have long since driven me nuts..to some degree
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Hey, I went to public school all my life, and I'm still socially awkward. Sometimes it's just the person more than the environment.
i am a little socially awkward, but i find a lot of people are in the same way.
i was in all my classes with the same 6 people from 2nd grade till i requested to be put in normal classes in high school. that only lasted a year before i got put back in accelerated classes.


on a side note, i was raised by an ocd english and biology teacher, and a nasa engineer, and had the highest s.a.t. score in my school which isn't saying a whole lot considering now i am enjoying brain damage and psychotropics .

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It's always fun to read people's misconceptions and (often) ridiculous assumptions about homeschooling, homeschooled kids, and homeschooling parents. We homeschooled our kids till they went to HS. Like many, if not most, HS parents, we're not anti-evolution fundies, nor are we crazed back-to-nature hippies. Yeah, we're pretty left-wing, but that's beside the point- so's my wife's bachelor's and my PhD (for real). Those credentials didn't necessarily help, but I'm sure they didn't hurt. I've met some pretty stupid HS parents who DID have advanced degrees, so go figure. We created our own curriculum, which had to be approved by the school district, and we had to submit the kids' portfolios at the end of each year- these were evaluated by the school district as well. They also had to take standardized tests- same ones everyone else does in grade school and junior high.

Anyway, our kids had absolutely no problem with "socialization" or social skills- they had plenty of opportunity to interact with other kids (and adults!!! even older adults!!! and (gasp) minorities!!! WOW!). They were none the worse for wear for their experience, and all four of us agree that it was for the better.

When they decided that they wanted to go to HS, we supported that. I will say that they were light years ahead of their peers in academics, but in social skills as well. Sorry, guys, but not everyone (nor even most, in my experience) HS kids are "socially awkward." Most of their classmates were into drugs and drinking parties, etc., etc.- you know the drill. Our kids were much more interested in more productive activities, and generally considered their peers at school to be hopelessly immature. Both kids are now in very good colleges, have excellent GPAs, and a very cool network of friends.

Not saying that it works for everyone, and I, like others in here, view many HS parents with a degree of suspicion. I do realize that some are pretty loony, but at least around here (major city on the East Coast), most HS parents and kids are quite normal.
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It's always fun to read people's misconceptions and (often) ridiculous assumptions about homeschooling, homeschooled kids, and homeschooling parents. We homeschooled our kids till they went to HS. Like many, if not most, HS parents, we're not anti-evolution fundies, nor are we crazed back-to-nature hippies. Yeah, we're pretty left-wing, but that's beside the point- so's my wife's bachelor's and my PhD (for real). Those credentials didn't necessarily help, but I'm sure they didn't hurt. I've met some pretty stupid HS parents who DID have advanced degrees, so go figure. We created our own curriculum, which had to be approved by the school district, and we had to submit the kids' portfolios at the end of each year- these were evaluated by the school district as well. They also had to take standardized tests- same ones everyone else does in grade school and junior high.

Anyway, our kids had absolutely no problem with "socialization" or social skills- they had plenty of opportunity to interact with other kids (and adults!!! even older adults!!! and (gasp) minorities!!! WOW!). They were none the worse for wear for their experience, and all four of us agree that it was for the better.

When they decided that they wanted to go to HS, we supported that. I will say that they were light years ahead of their peers in academics, but in social skills as well. Sorry, guys, but not everyone (nor even most, in my experience) HS kids are "socially awkward." Most of their classmates were into drugs and drinking parties, etc., etc.- you know the drill. Our kids were much more interested in more productive activities, and generally considered their peers at school to be hopelessly immature. Both kids are now in very good colleges, have excellent GPAs, and a very cool network of friends.

Not saying that it works for everyone, and I, like others in here, view many HS parents with a degree of suspicion. I do realize that some are pretty loony, but at least around here (major city on the East Coast), most HS parents and kids are quite normal.
I applaud you--it sounds like you have a solid education and you imparted one to your kids. I still think
most people can't be trusted with homeschooling. Hell the government can't do it right, why should we trust private citizens? I know that the inadequacies of the public system often beg for an alternative. But
if we had our political priorities right I think public schools could rock.
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Originally Posted by efrobert View Post
If you ask me, it should be a federal law. If you're going to home school your kids, you should be required to have a college degree.
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Home schooling really shouldn't be done unless at least one parent has a Master's, if not PhD.
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Requiring a BS/BA to teach a kid at home is reasonable IMO.
You're all making the same assumption that a degree denotes intelligence or the ability to nurture a child.

My sister homeschools her kids, and if you met them you'd realize they're some of the most intelligent and well-adjusted kids you've ever met. She homeschools them not to teach a religious agenda, but because public school isn't challenging enough for them...the school run by teachers with degrees. I don't think her kids have ever asked for her credentials.
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I applaud you--it sounds like you have a solid education and you imparted one to your kids. I still think
most people can't be trusted with homeschooling. Hell the government can't do it right, why should we trust private citizens? I know that the inadequacies of the public system often beg for an alternative. But
if we had our political priorities right I think public schools could rock.
Thanks, KV. I actually agree with you- I don't think most parents are cut out for this. We were extremely fortunate that my wife dedicated herself to creating the curricula every year and doing the bulk of the teaching. Even though she's not a trained teacher, she's damn good at it. We've met quite a few who are just as good if not better, but we have also encountered plenty of parents who don't have the wherewithal to do the job. Many of these parents embrace the "unschooling" movement, which is just what it sounds like. I've never met an unschooled kid who didn't fit the characterizations many have offered here. Personally, I think it's a form of abuse, but that's me- maybe I'm a tad harsh.

Anyway, yeah, if the public school systems could break away from their roots in agrarian times, maybe we could see some real progress on the education front. But so many, if not most, districts have a warehousing mentality- they see their mission as providing a place for kids to go every day for 180 days/year. And it's not entirely the districts' fault. We live in a school district (Philly) that is so poor it can't provide most of its kids with books- any books, much less up to date texts. Right across the border, in Montgomery County, are some of the absolute best public schools in the country. Their allocation from the state is about 30% higher than ours, and they have a higher tax base to boot, so no wonder. Given the dilapidated facilities, hardened/cynical teachers, poor materials, and no discipline, it's not hard to see why the HS dropout rate in some schools in the city exceeds 70% (no kidding). It's nothing short of a scandal.
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