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Old 02-09-09, 10:21 AM
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question for you guys with your own webserver

Sorry to post on foo, i can't seem to log onto some of the other forums i visit. Plus.. i know some of you guys on here are LINUX guys.. ;-)

Trying to set up my web server from home. I have the following and did the following:

ubuntu server
-changed /etc/network/interface file so that the ip is static to 192.168.0.5

router
-logged in and made a static dhcp for the server 192.168.0.5
-created a virtual server and opened port 80 to pass through
-verified that my remote login is disabled

Attempted to access my webserver from my external IP address but am getting a remote login authentication screen.

Anyone know what gives? I used grc.com to check to see if my isp blocks port 80 and it was ok.

I get the confirmation page when i hit the machine from within my network when i enter 192.168.0.5.
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Never set up a public Linux web server, but is it a setting on apache your missing? Something in Apache's config file?
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well, i think the apache server's port is default set to 80...so it should pass thru? Hmm.. i'll look into that some more. thanks!
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Apache is probably set to port 80 but you may want to check. When you say virtual server do you actually mean a virtual host? If so you need to set the ServerName directive to your host name in DNS (your URL). What does ifconfig say? the inet addr: should be your static internal IP. You need to set your gateway or router to pass through to that static address.
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I verified that apache was set to port 80. I dont know the diff between virtual server and virtual host. Aren't they the same? Within my virtual server listing there is a list for ftp, http set to their respective ports. So what I did, was add mine with my private ip 192.168.0.5 and port 80.

my inet0 says 192.168.0.5 which is what i set in etc/network/interfaces.

In the url i am entering the external ip address that i found using www.whatismyip.com since i dont acutally have a domain name that i'm associating it to. I then get the remote login and 401 unauthorized.
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Originally Posted by bluenote157 View Post
Sorry to post on foo, i can't seem to log onto some of the other forums i visit. Plus.. i know some of you guys on here are LINUX guys.. ;-)

Trying to set up my web server from home. I have the following and did the following:

ubuntu server
-changed /etc/network/interface file so that the ip is static to 192.168.0.5

router
-logged in and made a static dhcp for the server 192.168.0.5
-created a virtual server and opened port 80 to pass through
-verified that my remote login is disabled

Attempted to access my webserver from my external IP address but am getting a remote login authentication screen.

Anyone know what gives? I used grc.com to check to see if my isp blocks port 80 and it was ok.

I get the confirmation page when i hit the machine from within my network when i enter 192.168.0.5.
If you're going to put your server on the web, change the port for security purposes unless you have a really good firewall. It seems that your ISP allows connections to port 80, so you're good there. What does the auth screen look like?
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Haven't read the thread just chiming in with:

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OK it's quite possible that whatismyisp is actually telling you the IP of your host and not your box. You should log into your router and determine the IP of the router that is your public address, the one assigned to you by your host. That is a static address right? If not there are ways around that. Then if the Router has a DMZ you want to forward that IP to your web server at 192.168.0.5.

Virtual servers are servers that run in a virtual environment on the same box. IOW you could be running 3 instances of Ubuntu on a Windows box if you have a virtual server environment. Virtual hosts in Apache means that you can have one single IP address that hosts virtually several domain names. I am not sure how Apache is set up on Ubuntu but it's probably similiar to my Debian set up since Ubuntu is essentially Debian. On my system they are found here: /etc/apache2/sites-enabled and they start with <VirtualHost *: port> in my case the port is 8080 so it looks like
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<VirtualHost *: 8080>

SeverAdmin someemailaddress
ServerName www.somename.com

DocumentRoot /root/to/your/web/files

A bunch of other stuff

</VirtualHost>

---

Check to see that looks correct.

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Mr. Crassic,
I'm getting this..

"The server xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx at Generic Platform Web 0 requires a username and password.

Warning: This server is requesting that your username and password be sent in an insecure manner (basic authentication without a secure connection)."
I cancel out and get the unauthorized 401.


What does the DMZ have to do with setting this up as a web server if i'm explicitly assigning port 80 to 127.168.0.5 in the virtual server list?

Some more info...My router assigns DHCP from 127.168.0.100 on up. It however allows me to create a static dhcp which i did outside of that range 127.168.0.5. On the linux box, i made all of the necessary changes so that its IP is 127.168.0.5 and confirmed it by using ifconfig.
Does anyone konw if comcast closes port 80? I went to grc.com and whatismyip.com and both stated that my IP address is the same and that port 80 is open. I probably don't have a static IP but this IP address has been the same for many days and has not changed. Would that make a difference? or do i still have ot use that dyns.org?? service? I dont' mind the IP address changing as this is more of a how-to project for myself with no real content at the moment.

I went to the site-enabled directory and opened 000-default:
Mine says Virtual Host *.80 and there is no servername line(but isnt that ok since i dont have a domain but am using an ip address???)

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Originally Posted by bluenote157 View Post
router
-logged in and made a static dhcp for the server 192.168.0.5
-created a virtual server and opened port 80 to pass through
-verified that my remote login is disabled

Attempted to access my webserver from my external IP address but am getting a remote login authentication screen.

I get the confirmation page when i hit the machine from within my network when i enter 192.168.0.5.
The problem is in the router. Because you can get to the machine on your internal network, you know that the web server is accessible.

My guess is that in disabling remote login, what you're really doing is disabling the ability to log into your router remotely. It has its own interface on port 80, so the connection is never getting to the point that it can be forwarded to your web server.

Unless you want to do some really wacky stuff, it's usually better not to run your own servers at home. You can get dirt cheap hosting accounts with shell access, scripting, etc.
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Check your Apache logs (/var/log/apache) and see if there is anything there that might help. I don't use Ubuntu Server, so don't know how they ship their default Apache config, and it can vary widely from RedHat's defaults.
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Originally Posted by bluenote157 View Post
Mr. Crassic,
I'm getting this..

"The server xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx at Generic Platform Web 0 requires a username and password.

Warning: This server is requesting that your username and password be sent in an insecure manner (basic authentication without a secure connection)."
I cancel out and get the unauthorized 401.


What does the DMZ have to do with setting this up as a web server if i'm explicitly assigning port 80 to 127.168.0.5 in the virtual server list?

Some more info...My router assigns DHCP from 127.168.0.100 on up. It however allows me to create a static dhcp which i did outside of that range 127.168.0.5. On the linux box, i made all of the necessary changes so that its IP is 127.168.0.5 and confirmed it by using ifconfig.
Does anyone konw if comcast closes port 80? I went to grc.com and whatismyip.com and both stated that my IP address is the same and that port 80 is open. I probably don't have a static IP but this IP address has been the same for many days and has not changed. Would that make a difference? or do i still have ot use that dyns.org?? service? I dont' mind the IP address changing as this is more of a how-to project for myself with no real content at the moment.

I went to the site-enabled directory and opened 000-default:
Mine says Virtual Host *.80 and there is no servername line(but isnt that ok since i dont have a domain but am using an ip address???)
It sounds to me as though you are hitting your router box at xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx. Try logging into it with your routers remote username and password and I bet you will get your routers web pages. IF that is the case then look for something called DMZ host or port forwarding and set that such that your current address xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx points to your internal apache server at 192.168.0.5.

You see right now the world thinks that the address xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx points to your router and you need to forward that request to Apache. When you are on your LAN and you go to 192.168.0.5 do you see your default web page?

Try what I said and report back.

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Never set up a public Linux web server, but is it a setting on apache your missing? Something in Apache's config file?
Ummm... wtf?
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My guess it KT left out the I as in 'I never set up..."
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It sounds to me as though you are hitting your router box at http://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/. Try logging into it with your routers remote username and password and I bet you will get your routers web pages. IF that is the case then look for something called DMZ host or port forwarding and set that such that your current address http://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx// points to your internal apache server at 192.168.0.5.

You see right now the world thinks that the address http://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/ points to your router and you need to forward that request to Apache. When you are on your LAN and you go to 192.168.0.5 do you see your default web page?

Try what I said and report back.
Thanks.. i did all of this. Still no luck.
Yes, within my LAN, i'm able to see the apache page when i direct to 192.168.0.5.
I created a firewall rule to allow incoming on port 80 from wan to 192.168.0.5.
That didnt work so i tried with the virtual server thing which basically does the same thing as the firewall rule.
I've even changed the DMZ to 192.168.0.5 to see if i can access from outside my lan.

As for that remote server authentication screen...regardless of whether or not i have remote access enabled/disabled on my router, that screen still comes up. I'm almost thinking my ISP uses that page as some sort of catch all??? I've tried to log into it with my router name/password... nada..

anyway..thanks for trying to help out.

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My guess it KT left out the I as in 'I never set up..."
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As for that remote server authentication screen...regardless of whether or not i have remote access enabled/disabled on my router, that screen still comes up. I'm almost thinking my ISP uses that page as some sort of catch all??? I've tried to log into it with my router name/password... nada..
What exactly is the authentication screen? Is it one for your router, your web server, or neither?

There would be nothing surprising about an auth screen always coming up on your router. If remote login is enabled, you have to type credentials to get in. If it's disabled, you see the same authentication screen but nothing you can type gets you in.

If the screen is caused neither by your router or by your machine, it's something sitting in front of your router -- in which case you won't be able to do anything about it.

One way to test if your web server is working is to manually set the IP, gateway, etc to whatever your router is. Unplug the router and connect the computer directly to the incoming line. Then try to access it from another computer (e.g. iphone or a neighbor's wireless network)
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Originally Posted by bluenote157 View Post
Thanks.. i did all of this. Still no luck.
Yes, within my LAN, i'm able to see the apache page when i direct to 192.168.0.5.
I created a firewall rule to allow incoming on port 80 from wan to 192.168.0.5.
The problems you've been describing are not related to the firewall. If they were, you never would reach the authentication screen.
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First, please refrain from posting direct IP addresses in the public space (except internally assigned ones, of course ). I removed the IP address posted here.

Second, are you sure you have no other devices on your network that are using Port 80 (i.e. face the web)? Try setting your web server on another port and see if you can log in externally. If you can, then it's more than likely the case that you are actually trying to log into another device.

Also check that your router does not have Remote Login enabled (though it should enable itself on another port by default, something like 8080).
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There is nothing wrong with the IP he posted. It's just like any old computer that requires username and password credentials. It was actually useful for me to see what he was seeing at the time.

Bluenote I am trying to twist my brain thinking as to what that auth dialogue box is. I could ping it no problem. Is your router designed for you to be able to access it remotely? I know you said you tried your remote creds but I have to ask again. So IOW can you run programs like VNC or remote desk top into your LAN from outside? You may need to set some more rules on the router.

IT can't hurt to call comcast and ask them if they block port 80. I don't know why you would get the auth log in just because the request is on port 80 but I suppose it's possible that your ISP snatches any port 80 requests. But then why would they have a log in screen ?????

Can you determine the IP of that log in screen? I'd try it now but I don't have the address since the BF mod took it out. That could help diagnose the prob. If that screen is not your routers IP then it most likely is some sort of proxy from your ISP.

Keep plugging away at this. I've been running a server on a DHCP host for years with no problems. Go to zoneedit FAQ and check it out: http://zoneedit.com/doc/faq.html? I use zoneedit and it works great. I have Verizon for ISP and they do indeed block port 80 but there are easy ways around it especially in Linux - LAMP systems.
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Is there any other hardware between the router and the server? It would also be useful if you could post the make and model of your router.
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Yea, I suspect the router is interfering. I say remove the router and plug the internet directly into the server and try the external address again. This will quickly distinguish the problem as being in the router settings or server configuration.
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Yea, I suspect the router is interfering. I say remove the router and plug the internet directly into the server and try the external address again. This will quickly distinguish the problem as being in the router settings or server configuration.
But don't leave it like that, obviously!
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OP, turn off the ubuntu box and try again... are you still getting the authentication page? Then that means you were not hitting the ubuntu box in the first place.

I believe the authentication page the OP is getting is from his router's internal web server and not from his ubuntu box.
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OP, turn off the ubuntu box and try again... are you still getting the authentication page? Then that means you were not hitting the ubuntu box in the first place.

I believe the authentication page the OP is getting is from his router's internal web server and not from his ubuntu box.
But he tried logging in with the router creds and it failed so it's something else. I think Dano's advice is spot on for the first step in figuring this out.
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