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Old 04-29-04, 11:14 PM
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So What's Up with Americans and Their Lawns??

If you live in a house, chances are you've got a lawn. I find my lawn a necessary evil and mow it the minimal amount of times necessary to keep things looking nice when the grass is growing, and then let it go brown in the summer. IMO grass is a nasty weed that gets into the flower beds and other places it is not wanted, and that I'm highly allergic too. But millions of Americans lavish all this money and attention on their lawns, for what? It's a waste of waterand requires poisons (fertilizer, hebicide, *chem lawn*, etc.) and noisy, dirty, dangerous mowers. Do suburban lawns metaphorically represent the greatness of America? Our vestigal ties to and longings for Mother England, where the lawn originated? A way to get away from the wife and kids? It all seems kind of silly to me...Please help me out here!
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I cut mine because if not then yuo have to contend with snakes in the close perimeter. I have no neighbors use no chemicals of any kind. Other than that I cannot answer any of those other questions.
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If you feel that way- which I wish to God more people did- why are do you have a lawn? Why be part of the problem?
I don't have a lawn and everyone loves the way it looks.
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In the driest state, in the driest continent on earth I can't believe people here in South Australia persist with lawns either.

Our house is lawn free. Other spaces are taken up with paving/stones (or should I say boulders - there is a steep slope at the back with a stepped rock garden)/mulch/garden beds... looks great and no problems.

It's bad enough keeping the (culinary) herbs fed and watered
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Our garden will have a few small squares of lawn when it's finally finished. We are installing an underground watering system that uses a rubber hose filled with tiny holes. The holes let the water go straight to the roots, no evaporation, as it all happens under the lawn. We are also going to buy an old-style hand push mower, so no petrol or noise, but constant sharpening is required.

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Very logical Mark - that sounds like a great solution. All our gardens etc were put in without a thought for conservation. I guess with creative application anything is possible.

Staying up in the Barossa Valley on the weekend, the lawns at the accomodation were all watered with grey water. Was great except for the mild odour de jour!
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Originally Posted by RacerX
If you feel that way- which I wish to God more people did- why are do you have a lawn? Why be part of the problem?
I don't have a lawn and everyone loves the way it looks.
"why are do you have a lawn?" I do not understand that question. What problem am I a part of? You are nowhere near me, and if you were and had that attitude you would be laughed out of the region. Are you going to give me some global warming, or greehouse gas type of crap? If so save it. However if your question was to why I have a lawn which it is not it is a yard, all 20 acres which is part of 126 acres. Then see above post.
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Tell me you get someone else to mow that.
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No I do it. It takes me one day on a tractor because of all the trees, outbuildings etc. then one day with a trimmer. When it rains like it has been I must do this about once a week or it gets out of control. For example I am three weeks behind in one spot with a trimmer, and the growth around this group of trees is about 3ft tall.
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there is nothing like walking barefoot on a nice freshly cut lawn..I live in a apartment now and dont have a lawn. I miss my old lawn but dont miss cutting the bugger
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Originally Posted by Hunter
"why are do you have a lawn?" I do not understand that question. What problem am I a part of? You are nowhere near me, and if you were and had that attitude you would be laughed out of the region. Are you going to give me some global warming, or greehouse gas type of crap? If so save it. However if your question was to why I have a lawn which it is not it is a yard, all 20 acres which is part of 126 acres. Then see above post.
I wasn't addressing you, I was addressing the starter of this thread.
why - do you have a lawn. I must have written something else and changed it midstream. You can't figure that out?
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My block is about 1000 square metres, most of which is lawn. It gets cut once a week or so in the summer, and about once a month in the winter. I never water it, the weather gods handle that task more than satisfactorily. The only chemical interference I do is to spray it for bindies just before the summer starts. Let those buggers get a foothold and there'll be no barefoot walking on the lawn for months.

I like having a big flat area of lawn. It gives the kids (and their friends) plenty of room to run amock, as well as the dog. Dougal can even ride his bike around relatively freely, which means he can do it pretty much unsupervised and I don't have to worry too much about him getting hurt.

When the kids are grown and moved out (o blessed day!), I've got enough room to easily subdivide the block and give my retirement fund a nice boost.
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Originally Posted by RacerX
I wasn't addressing you, I was addressing the starter of this thread.
why - do you have a lawn. I must have written something else and changed it midstream. You can't figure that out?
Uh no I do not have ESP.
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This will be the first time in years. I'm going to enjoy all that yard work. I got a new toy 23-hp with 54” mower & power steering. All for $6500 OUCH. Oh well, no payments for 12 months.
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I live in an area with quite a few retirees. These people have nothing but time on their hands and tend to compete with each other with their lawns and flower gardens. I get the stinkeye from most of my neighbors because my lawn is much further down my list of priorities than their's. I cut it once a week and trim around the fences every other week. I use no chemicals and toss the clippings right back on to the lawn.

If I could find some slow growing, ground covering shub, something that would only get to be about 1 inch tall and grow sideways instead of up, I would replace the whole lawn.

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Originally Posted by DanFromDetroit
I live in an area with quite a few retirees. These people have nothing but time on their hands and tend to compete with each other with their lawns and flower gardens. I get the stinkeye from most of my neighbors because my lawn is much further down my list of priorities than their's. I cut it once a week and trim around the fences every other week. I use no chemicals and toss the clippings right back on to the lawn.

If I could find some slow growing, ground covering shub, something that would only get to be about 1 inch tall and grow sideways instead of up, I would replace the whole lawn.

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Oh, my gawd, that sounds like us. When we moved into our current house, it was owned by the bank, had been empty for a year and didn't have but 1 working sprinkler (ancient one) on the whole half acre lot. The lawn was dead, except for patches here and there of bermuda grass (may it rot in compost forever!). We killed all the lawn that was left (by smothering and not watering) and proceeded to cover the whole front lawn area with wood chips; we had no lawn, but did keep up the rest of the various shrubs and stuff that were left of the landscaping.

Our neighbor, an uppity social-climbing "woman" that thought she was neighborhood yard police captain complained and complained about our yard. Now in all truth, we did have our "down" moments with the front yard but we always corrected them when contacted by city code people. And when our back yard was reported, it was a wreck--BUT no one could see into our backyard from their yards EXCEPT when she would walk over to the "blind side" of her house--no windows on that side, she didn't even store anything there--to check our our back yard!

The clincher: she never once came over and talked to us, not once--and we were always out in the yard or drive next to her property-she would straight away call the city.

I guess for me lawns are the most over-rated section of a house. They waste money, gas, chemicals, water and time and are an invitation for gophers to move in. We live in a semi-desert region (I call it desert; no natural moisture falls for about 9 months of the year) and we save LOTS of money by not using sprinklers as I just spot water when necessary to keep the mediterranean and native California plants alive during the times of no precipitation.

I don't fertilize continually, I don't have to buy, maintain and gas a mower, I don't have to spray noxious and dangerous chemicals on my property-because I am not driven to have a friggin' lawn.

I do get to see the lizards, humming birds, sparrows, house wrens, crows, blue jays, sparrowhawks, red-tailed and cooper's hawks, barn owls, occaisional coyotes, gophers(Arrrrgh!), possums, raccoons and other wildlife that visit our yard.

I do get to breathe in the scents of native california sage, rock rose, tea-roses, lavender, rosemary, perennial basil, oregano, marjoram, decorative sages, citrus blossom and clump grasses.

I do get to eat fresh rosemary, marjoram, oregano, oranges, lemons, pommegranites, grapefruit, black-berries (for the first time this year) and maybe some bananas in the future.

To me, the pleasure and savings of work, time and money I derive from my non-lawned front yard far out weigh the pleasure I might derive from a patch of green that I would be doomed to slave over to make look halfway nice in our area.

And for me, a front yard is to look at. Why should mine look like everyone else's?
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I've been using a reel mower the past two years and love it. www.reelin.com
It's quieter, easier, cheaper, and doesn't kick up dust and allergens (great for asthmatics). Grass isn't suited to grow in all areas of the U.S. In the summer I let it go dormant if it gets too hot and dry. Here's a good read on the topic: http://www.cdfinc.com/CDF_Resources/...e_of_Water.pdf I heard Dr. Wilhelm speak once...he calls lawns "drug dependent carpet".
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Originally Posted by foehn
Oh, my gawd, that sounds like us .....
Nice post! You hit upon an issue that is dear to me - the increasing “unsocialization” of America. Simply stated, nobody speaks to one another anymore! I guess it's due in part to technology - ATMs, On-Line Shopping, On-Line Forums , etc. However, most of the blame, IMHO, is due to our media's "if it bleeds, it leads mentality". We all think that America, and our fellow Americans are extremely dangerous! Therefore, we cocoon in our houses, and socialization has come to a halt. It's a shame really.

Anywho, sorry to get off track, but I couldn’t help but comment!
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Originally Posted by randya
If you live in a house, chances are you've got a lawn. I find my lawn a necessary evil and mow it the minimal amount of times necessary to keep things looking nice when the grass is growing, and then let it go brown in the summer. IMO grass is a nasty weed that gets into the flower beds and other places it is not wanted, and that I'm highly allergic too. But millions of Americans lavish all this money and attention on their lawns, for what? It's a waste of waterand requires poisons (fertilizer, hebicide, *chem lawn*, etc.) and noisy, dirty, dangerous mowers. Do suburban lawns metaphorically represent the greatness of America? Our vestigal ties to and longings for Mother England, where the lawn originated? A way to get away from the wife and kids? It all seems kind of silly to me...Please help me out here!
I passionatly hate my lawn. I rent a house for cheap. As part of the deal I moe the lawn among other things. I freekin hate it. Now spring in VA it rains a lot then the sun comes out, you can practically see the grass grow befor your eyes. I moe it. It looks like crap after it's mowed because yes I wait till the last possible moment to moe it with the blade down as low as it will go and heeps of grass go everywhere. I don't care what it looks like. I don't sit in it, I dont walk barefoot in it, I don't have kids that kick soccer balls around in it, I could care less about it. Walking around in circles in my yard thinking about riding is definattly not my idea of a good time. In fact the other day I was on a nice 30 mile ride and actually had to cut it short and go home to moe the stupid yard! randya your preachin to the choir on this one
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We must have lawns so the neighbors dogs have a place to poop.
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Originally Posted by Louis
We must have lawns so the neighbors dogs have a place to poop.

That is a long trip for Libby. Seeing that we live 3/4 of a mile away from my nearest neighbor. Oh how I do love the mountains.
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I have a lawn, I love it. I spend hours fertilizing and caring for it to make it greener and better than anyone else on the block. I hate yards with weeds and brown dead grass in them.
I think it is a matter of taking pride in your environment and your place of residence. If the yard looks bad...so do you and the house.

I like have a beautiful lush green lawn to look at and be proud of my hours of work. \

That's my.02 worth on that.
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Originally Posted by Hunter
Uh no I do not have ESP.
Sorry to hear a 7 word sentence confused you. Glad I could clear that up for you then.
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My house sits on a small lot 80x115 feet, two years ago I got a roto-tiller and turned under better then 50% of the grass so I could plant wildflowers (hmmm, can I still call them wildflowers if I planted them?) The only grass left is small paths to the shed and some under the arbor. I will not use weed killers or chemicals anyplace around the yard. And I don't care what my neighbor thinks....Dandy-lions are wildflowers!

Last summer I sat under the arbor and watched as butterflies came to feed in the flower beds. At one time I had counted 22 feeding around the beds...
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