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Old 06-05-09, 01:24 PM
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Do you like the vocoder effect?

Ok here is an example

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F444CELomo
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5xsiKBJGW4

There are many more, but I guess you know what I'm talking about.

Now, am I the only one who thinks it's bluntly the dumbest effect to hit the music business since like forever. Yea I know it's futuristic sounding and all, but seriously, you can acheive the same effect by hitting your vocal chords with your hand on the neck.

This effect is nothing new. It came out in sixties with almost any synth that had a vocoder. Do you ever wonder why nobody used it just untill recently.....Because it sounds DUMB and sterile.

So here is my message to these new school producers out there.

Let it go. It doesn't sound good and it's nothing new. You can only mask the bad vocals with it or ruin the good ones and those are only two things you can do with this "magical" effect and it holds no artistic merritt.

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Old 06-05-09, 01:48 PM
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Yeah of course. its awesome.

My favourite uses of it. T-Pain in Im on a Boat. and the futurepop group Mind in a box.
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Old 06-05-09, 02:53 PM
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^^^^

I guess,,,that was funny
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Old 06-05-09, 02:55 PM
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Like all audio effects, its fun to play around with in the studio, but for an album, overuse of *any* effect gets old.

You can see this on new albums. Korg, Yamaha, Nord, or anything creates a synth with a bunch of new sounds on it. In several months to a year, you hear the same sounds overused for about 6-9 months, then fades away to obscurity. In some cases, you can date albums to what sounds they have, unless they are doing a retro sound, and their band found a Mellotron or B3 + Leslie speaker found in the attic.
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It didn't really help Cher.
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Old 06-05-09, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by mlts22 View Post
Like all audio effects, its fun to play around with in the studio, but for an album, overuse of *any* effect gets old.

You can see this on new albums. Korg, Yamaha, Nord, or anything creates a synth with a bunch of new sounds on it. In several months to a year, you hear the same sounds overused for about 6-9 months, then fades away to obscurity. In some cases, you can date albums to what sounds they have, unless they are doing a retro sound, and their band found a Mellotron or B3 + Leslie speaker found in the attic.
That effect is unlike any other.

You can get away with using an old synth and still make it sound cool or to get a retro sound with an old Moog or something similar and really give a nice touch to a track

BUT this auto-tune/vocoder is just ....I mean I literally feel like my brain is deteriorating when I listen to any track that has that. I can see Paris Hilton really rocking out to a song like that, riding in a limo and looking at a sky without a thought in her head..
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Old 06-05-09, 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by GuttingJob View Post
Yeah of course. its awesome.

My favourite uses of it. T-Pain in Im on a Boat. and the futurepop group Mind in a box.
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Old 06-05-09, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by spock View Post
That effect is unlike any other.

You can get away with using an old synth and still make it sound cool or to get a retro sound with an old Moog or something similar and really give a nice touch to a track

BUT this auto-tune/vocoder is just ....I mean I literally feel like my brain is deteriorating when I listen to any track that has that. I can see Paris Hilton really rocking out to a song like that, riding in a limo and looking at a sky without a thought in her head..

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Old 06-05-09, 03:43 PM
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Daft Punk gets a pass from me!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9MszVE7aR4
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Old 06-05-09, 03:57 PM
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It's so old. It's so lame. It does not compensate for the staggeringly inadequate songwriting of recent years either.

Friggin turkeys.
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Old 06-05-09, 05:53 PM
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Oh yeah, I totally love that music is no longer about having any artistic ability and is now only about finding a cute chick you can fix with computers. It's GREAT!
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Old 06-05-09, 06:20 PM
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Frampton did it the old fashioned way (starts around 2:40)

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Old 06-06-09, 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by fnords View Post
Daft Punk gets a pass from me!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9MszVE7aR4

Not the same. Daft Punk processed that one sample really well and made it sound good for what it is. There is also a nice filter doing the job there. Complitely a different game there.

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Frampton did it the old fashioned way (starts around 2:40)

YouTube - Peter Frampton "Do You Feel Like We Do_Pt.2" 1976
Very much different and sounds good too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk_box
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Vocoders and spelling out words in lieu of actually using words gets a thumbs down from me. Well, unless you are Aretha Franklin.
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Old 06-06-09, 11:22 PM
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This is where I argue that Neil Young's Trans is an overlooked gem. I have yet to meet anyone who agrees with me, but I really do like the album.
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Originally Posted by spock View Post

So here is my message to these new school producers out there.

Let it go. It doesn't sound good and it's nothing new. You can only mask the bad vocals with it or ruin the good ones and those are only two things you can do with this "magical" effect and it holds no artistic merritt.
Oh ****, this is comedy. I am with the OP. I hate that crap. Why screw up a perfectly good song? It is just as bad as a singer holding a note for ten minutes during a concert. Let it go and get on with the song.
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Great. Now youtube thinks I like Cher and the black eyed peas. My recommendations are shot.
Thanks

Seriously.... lame effect.
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This is where I argue that Neil Young's Trans is an overlooked gem. I have yet to meet anyone who agrees with me, but I really do like the album.
I sort of do. I saw him on the Trans tour. I really like the Crazy Horse stuff better, but this was interesting.
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Chuck Garvey of moe. uses it sparingly and to great effect.
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This is where I argue that Neil Young's Trans is an overlooked gem. I have yet to meet anyone who agrees with me, but I really do like the album.

I managed to never hear a note of Trans in 20+ years, due to the fact that every single review of it I read completely panned it. Hard.

And then 3 or 4 nights ago I'm channel surfing and PBS has this Neil Young special on, during which they showed a brief clip of him performing some Trans material live (with Nils Lofgrin in the band -- Nils & Neal are both wearing headset mics run through vocoders, and there's not an ounce of dry unprocessed vocals in the mix, just pure vocoded synth.)

Freaking amazing

...in that "I am 100% speechless" sense of amazing.
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Not only is it a crutch for people that can't actually sing, it sounds terrible.

But then again, 99.9999999% of modern popular music is feculent tripe anyway.
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