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Old 06-28-09, 06:48 AM
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Why Michael Jackson's death is so sad to me...

I'm black. There. I said it. I was a little kid, barely out of diapers, when Billie Jean, Beat It, and Thriller were big hits. I remember doing the moonwalk and dancing to his music in my bedroom. It's like a part of my childhood died.

A poor black kid growing up in the inner city, I really idolized Michael Jackson. He was the only black musician that would be consistently be in the top music lists. There was a feeling that if Michael could make it, then so could I. Not sure if I can really relay the feeling to others if you haven't grown up in a black family. And I don't mean to offend, but growing up in the black culture is different. Michael Jackson broke down racial barriers. He was one of the first black artists that would come on MTV in the 80s. And my friends and I would wait forever for MTV to show his videos. It was awesome. Now, those good times are just replaced with sadness.

Over time my friends and I saw Micheal Jackson in a different light. Just didn't feel like he wanted to be black with his appearance changes. Now, I understand. We turned negative on Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson didn't turn his back on us. He's always supported African-Americans and our people. Now, I understand his true impact.

One of Michael Jackson's best performances ever...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zpTQ...eature=related

June 25, 2009. The day that music died for me.
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Originally Posted by bellweatherman View Post
I'm black. There. I said it. I was a little kid, barely out of diapers, when Billie Jean, Beat It, and Thriller were big hits. I remember doing the moonwalk and dancing to his music in my bedroom. It's like a part of my childhood died.

A poor black kid growing up in the inner city, I really idolized Michael Jackson. He was the only black musician that would be consistently be in the top music lists. There was a feeling that if Michael could make it, then so could I. Not sure if I can really relay the feeling to others if you haven't grown up in a black family. And I don't mean to offend, but growing up in the black culture is different. Michael Jackson broke down racial barriers. He was one of the first black artists that would come on MTV in the 80s. And my friends and I would wait forever for MTV to show his videos. It was awesome. Now, those good times are just replaced with sadness.

Over time my friends and I saw Micheal Jackson in a different light. Just didn't feel like he wanted to be black with his appearance changes. Now, I understand. We turned negative on Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson didn't turn his back on us. He's always supported African-Americans and our people. Now, I understand his true impact.

One of Michael Jackson's best performances ever...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zpTQ...eature=related

June 25, 2009. The day that music died for me.
He broke down racial barriers for more than the Black/African American race my friend, I remember almost every (if not every) race in the world loving and enjoying MJ and his music IN PUBLIC! That alone helped break down racial barriers, I'm an inner city Puerto Rican man raised on the mean streets of North Philly, and I too can say that MJ (along with many others) broke down many racial barriers, but not just for Africans and Puerto Ricans, but for all races, I remember getting jumped by a bunch of white kids one year (because I was a PR) and seeing them dressing and dancing like MJ the next! Next thing you know every one was doing it and they were doing it together! The power of music, a lot of people underestimate it.
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Old 06-28-09, 09:28 AM
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Rip mj...

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Old 06-28-09, 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by ausGeoff View Post
One thing that's peed me off is the merciless way in which the media has pursued MJ for years ó to sell papers (like SDJ's early days), and who are now doing the same thing even after he's sung his last song. Unfortunately, over the last decade, his antics have compounded ó due to media over-exaggeration in many cases ó to overwhelm the memories in many people's mind of just how inspirational, how innovative, and how multi-faceted his talents were.


The same is still happening today. The man is no longer with us yet people even on this board are ripping him apart. Someone asked me the other night if I think he "did it" and I replied with "I don't know nor do I care." I don't have kids and was never at Neverland Ranch to care about anything he was claimed to have done. What I do care about is the way he made everyone feel at a party or the excitement he brought to the lives of us all around the world. When I am here in America people ask questions of ones personal business but abroad people don't care. They have more important things to worry about. People need no longer talk the trash but pump up the jams.
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You know, I walked into work today and that exact song "Man in the Mirror" was playing. I felt so sad but I had to keep my composure.

Black culture is indeed a different culture. If you haven't grown up in it, it's hard to understand. I grew up black - I am not of African American descent but I am raised Mississippi Black. Without getting too political, I must say that I have witnessed a lot of the pain that has been subjected to others because of race. I've experienced it, I felt it. And for Michael to be as successful as he was at such a young age, he not only showed those in doubt what young black talent is, he gave a lot of hope and inspired dreams of children who witnessed it. He wasn't only an entertainer, he was a goal. A goal in a time when all other goals seemed so out of reach.

But throughout all of that he never got to be a child himself. Practicing, singing, traveling, performing...at such a young age. There was no time to be a child. So, I believe that as an adult he tried to finally have control of that by creating the Neverland Ranch. And sharing that fun, carefree world with those who would otherwise never experience something like that.

He loved his children and doted on them. He protected them so much, he was considered 'weird' for it. He was never found guilty of any crimes regarding the horrible accusations of child molestation. If so, he would have not had full custody of his own. Some will argue about him initiating a payoff. But with court fees, media, the years that would be involved, he would be taken away from sharing his talent with us and that would be a loss greater than money itself. If a parent truly felt that their child was hurt, no money would fix that. Apparently somehow his money did.

Michael had his reasons for doing the quirky things he did although we may never understand them.....as far as I believe he harmed nobody but himself. And he suffered. Suffered through the rejection he got because of these accusations, suffered because he never knew what it felt like to have a family like you and I did. Suffered because he grew up too fast....and he suffered because he worked so hard to make all of us happy though his music and his dance. He wore himself out to bring joy to the rest of the world.

And I'm not sure if he ever knew that some of us little people out there, some of us that grew up in the ghetto, saw him as an inspiration and a glimmer of hope that one day, just maybe, we can be somebody...in a world that always cut you down because of what you look like or where you live.

Thank you Michael for inspiring me to be who I am today.
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Old 06-28-09, 04:36 PM
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uh I must of missed the boat...but the guy looks white to me?

I'm tired of hearing about him...it literally is on EVERY news station for 3 days straight? what about more important things like Iran, the Economy, etc?

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Enough of this friggin guy. I'm sick and tired of hearing about this alleged pedophile.
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I'm caucasian but I remember trying to moonwalk when I was a kid...
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Enough of this friggin guy. I'm sick and tired of hearing about this alleged pedophile.
Absolute hater! I am tired of Iran. I don't listen. If you are tired of Michael you don't have to listen. Go out and ride your bike.

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MJ is another reason why Obama is President. Along with media figures like Morgan Freeman, Denzel Washington, Will Smith, MJ was a prominent African American who appealed to the white masses and allowed them to form positive images of blacks, look at them as positive images and heroes, and think of them in a different light.

It's hard to overstate the impact MJ had on our popular culture, and by extension, our whole society. It may seem like fluff on one level, but on a deeper level it's really not. I was 23-25 years old when MTV started playing MJ videos, and it was the first time I recall seeing a black performer on that medium (that's when MTV actually played music videos, they don't seem to anymore). He opened the door for all the rest.
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Stevie Wonder did it better, decades before Jackson, and never molested children.
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MJ is another reason why Obama is President. Along with media figures like Morgan Freeman, Denzel Washington, Will Smith, MJ was a prominent African American who appealed to the white masses and allowed them to form positive images of blacks, look at them as positive images and heroes, and think of them in a different light.

It's hard to overstate the impact MJ had on our popular culture, and by extension, our whole society. It may seem like fluff on one level, but on a deeper level it's really not. I was 23-25 years old when MTV started playing MJ videos, and it was the first time I recall seeing a black performer on that medium (that's when MTV actually played music videos, they don't seem to anymore). He opened the door for all the rest.
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Stevie Wonder did it better, decades before Jackson, and never molested children.
If you missed the point any more completely, you could work for Fox News.
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He was talented, but he lost his mind, and probably molested kids. Now he's dead. The end.

And he didn't have anything to do with whether or not Obama got elected, don't be freakin' silly, people. I can't stand it when people who acted questionably within their lifetime get sainted after their death, whether it's Kennedy, Gandhi, Elvis or Jacko.

Hopefully he's up in heaven explaining to the Elephant Man why he wanted his bones so badly.
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Originally Posted by va_cyclist View Post
Stevie Wonder did it better, decades before Jackson, and never molested children.
+1

Well said,....
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And he didn't have anything to do with whether or not Obama got elected,
Oh, but he most certainly did.

But then, you also always miss the point. Your consistency is impressive.
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+1

Well said,....
We could staff the Glen Beck Show with you guys.
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Hey, don't get me wrong, I was never even a big MJ fan. I'm commenting on his social impact. I found his music pretty annoying for the most part.

He could dance though. That's for sure. That's what Fred Astaire said anyway.
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We could staff the Glen Beck Show with you guys.
Because we're not foolish enough to idolize a pedophile and a fool?

ridiculous

'honor" the clown if you want, but don't try to make us out as bad guys because we understand a lifetime of sickness isn't dismissed because of some music videos.
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Oh, but he most certainly did.

But then, you also always miss the point. Your consistency is impressive.
Explain even a tenuous cause/effect relationship between MJ and Obama's election. And if it's just some moronic "But they're both BLACK, dude!" -sort of thing, well then Al Sharpton and Flavor Flav had just as much influence on the election, which is to say almost none. A better case could probably be made for MJ having a negative impact on Obama's campaign, but I'm not an idiot or masochist so I won't attempt to make one.

Besides,you started a Third Eye Blind fan thread, nobody really gives a crap what your opinion is of music since you probably get most of it from episodes of Smallville. I'll bet your kids make you drop them off a couple blocks from the mall, don't they?
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Explain even a tenuous cause/effect relationship between MJ and Obama's election.
Read the post again Einstein.
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Because we're not foolish enough to idolize a pedophile and a fool?

ridiculous

'honor" the clown if you want, but don't try to make us out as bad guys because we understand a lifetime of sickness isn't dismissed because of some music videos.
My comments don't imply idolization. They simply observe MJ's social impact. Any honor or disgrace you associate with those repercussions are entirely your affair. I never considered MJ an idol, just a remarkable pop music talent, even if I didn't care for his music much.
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Even Pcad's serious posts are funny. MJ a reason why Obama is president? lol
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Oh damn. What has any of this negativity have to do with the OP? The OP talked about he liked MJ and how he affected everyone. Whether you think he is a clown, moron, pedophile or anything else take your negative views about others and your lives where they need to be. In the trash. It amazes me how people can conjure up stereotypes and opinions about people they don't know. If someone did or does something bad to you, talk your crap and carry your bitterness. Until that happens, leave people alone and learn to live a peaceful life.
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MJ is another reason why Obama is President. Along with media figures like Morgan Freeman, Denzel Washington, Will Smith, MJ was a prominent African American who appealed to the white masses and allowed them to form positive images of blacks, look at them as positive images and heroes, and think of them in a different light.
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