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Old 07-29-09, 09:14 PM
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Assisted suicide

I don't want this sent to P and R because I wanted Fooster's thoughts and not the usual P and R crowd. Without it getting into religious or legal issues, I was wondering what your thoughts are on this. Please let's respect each other's right to an opinion and not make this thread something that turns into an argument in response to a person's answer. Thanks.

Considering quality of life, mind altering drugs and horrendous pain in a diagnosis of a terminal illness, would this be something you would consider, you being the person diagnosed? Why or why not?
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I wouldn't, if you really think about it most suicide victims only think about commiting suicide because there is something in their lives that has gone wrong, and their mind isn't working right at the moment, they are not in the right state of mind to be making simple decisions let alone life threating decisions, so I say no, I would never help someone in that type of situation kill themselves.
EDIT, I posted my answer to quickly, I thought about the "terminal illness" part and couldn't help but think about my kids, and my wife, if I knew for absolutely sure that they were going through needless pain and they wanted to die I would most def help them get it done, and I would hope that they would do the same for me. It's crazy how the thought of a loved one suffering could change a persons opinion in a matter of seconds.
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Thanks for your input, ILB.

I meant, if you were the one terminal. Clarified Original Post.
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We euthanize our pets to put them out of their misery, why shouldn't people have the same dignity?

If you went to a movie and it turned out to suck, I don't think anyone would blame you for walking out early.
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Yes.

Having watched people waste away and die, there's no way I could subject the people I care about to that.
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Originally Posted by Siu Blue Wind View Post
I don't want this sent to P and R because I wanted Fooster's thoughts and not the usual P and R crowd. Without it getting into religious or legal issues, I was wondering what your thoughts are on this. Please let's respect each other's right to an opinion and not make this thread something that turns into an argument in response to a person's answer. Thanks.

Considering quality of life, mind altering drugs and horrendous pain in a diagnosis of a terminal illness, would this be something you would consider? Why or why not?
Yes, I would consider it for myself or any of my family members, should the situation become that terminal. One is not living if their "life" is supplied to them by pills, shots and machines, while being enveloped in never-ending bouts of pain, madness and depression. I can understand those who wish to keep their loved ones like this; hope, like love, is a very powerful, yet very blinding, emotion to cling on to. However, doing so is completely selfish and inconsiderate to someone who would most likely rather be six feet under ground instead of being under endless agony.
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Old 07-29-09, 09:27 PM
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No, because at the back of my mind, always would be the thought of "What if they find the cure or a treatment that will lead to complete remission tomorrow?"

Where there is life, there is always hope. My wife proved that to me in her recovery. Her surgery offered a 4% chance of survival.
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As long as each day brought something meaningful, yes. If each day brought suffering, pain, and tears especially to others, no.
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Old 07-29-09, 09:31 PM
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I would prefer to stay alive fighting to the end.
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If I were the one diagnosed I would not consider this. It's something I don't personally believe in doing.
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Old 07-29-09, 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Siu Blue Wind View Post
Thanks for your input, ILB.

I meant, if you were the one terminal. Clarified Original Post.
Please read my EDIT.
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Old 07-29-09, 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by ilikebikes View Post
Please read my EDIT.
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You are most welcome Siu.
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I would give hospice a try first. Google 'palliative sedation' for an example of a hospice technique when death is imminent.
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Old 07-29-09, 09:46 PM
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Yes, if I was already old. I think sometimes people "outlive" their bodies...
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Yes. I wouldn't take away any options.
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Have always been positive on this subject. Always. Dear Dog - if the prognosis is bad and long term and the quality of freaking life isn't there - then please by all means honor the poor person's wishes.

My father (77 yrs old), just after his mother died this Spring, decided he didn't like this abdominal pain any more (he was a bad person about going to doctor's or following prescriptions, etc) and so my brother took to a V.A. hospital where they admitted him and ran tests and it was found he had cancer in 3 areas, liver, bones and another (forget - sorry I'm tired). He was given 3 weeks. And so he did a couple rounds of chemo and said "no more". And all of us 4 kids and my mother supported this decision. And so he was moved to a hospice where he stayed a few months.

Those months of visiting him were a roller coaster. At first he was bad, but then as he started taking the meds he should have been taking and actually eating well - he looked better than he had in years. I will always remember that visit with him - he was clear - and just rambled about his life - about his childhood and friends and the war - like he wanted to impart something on us.

And then the cancer really set in and he was in pain. Everything hurt on him - especially his feet for some reason. So he was kept basically doped up on morphine. As much as he wanted, they said. Yay.

Now, he wanted out - out badly - but we were powerless. And toward the end the hospice people admitted that he was mostly out because of morphine and really didn't wake him to eat, and such.

I cried. i cried when my Mom wanted to see him the last time - and it was not the view I wanted to carry with me forever. And still cry. If the man is terminal - wtf - set him free.

Sorry Siu, to add this to your thread, but I wholeheartedly support a quality of life here. There was no reason to keep my father alive so he could just lay there in agony and just be doused with painkillers.

<edit> and if I were in his shoes - I would have wanted the same - out, please out.
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Have always been positive on this subject. Always. Dear Dog - if the prognosis is bad and long term and the quality of freaking life isn't there - then please by all means honor the poor person's wishes.

My father (77 yrs old), just after his mother died this Spring, decided he didn't like this abdominal pain any more (he was a bad person about going to doctor's or following prescriptions, etc) and so my brother took to a V.A. hospital where they admitted him and ran tests and it was found he had cancer in 3 areas, liver, bones and another (forget - sorry I'm tired). He was given 3 weeks. And so he did a couple rounds of chemo and said "no more". And all of us 4 kids and my mother supported this decision. And so he was moved to a hospice where he stayed a few months.

Those months of visiting him were a roller coaster. At first he was bad, but then as he started taking the meds he should have been taking and actually eating well - he looked better than he had in years. I will always remember that visit with him - he was clear - and just rambled about his life - about his childhood and friends and the war - like he wanted to impart something on us.

And then the cancer really set in and he was in pain. Everything hurt on him - especially his feet for some reason. So he was kept basically doped up on morphine. As much as he wanted, they said. Yay.

Now, he wanted out - out badly - but we were powerless. And toward the end the hospice people admitted that he was mostly out because of morphine and really didn't wake him to eat, and such.

I cried. i cried when my Mom wanted to see him the last time - and it was not the view I wanted to carry with me forever. And still cry. If the man is terminal - wtf - set him free.

Sorry Siu, to add this to your thread, but I wholeheartedly support a quality of life here. There was no reason to keep my father alive so he could just lay there in agony and just be doused with painkillers.
I hear you , Tude. I'm sorry for what your dad and family and YOU had to go through. Thank you for sharing something so personal with us. ((hugs))
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I would give hospice a try first. Google 'palliative sedation' for an example of a hospice technique when death is imminent.
Never heard of this before. Very interesting. Thank you very much.
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Tough one. If the decision was made prior to hearing the diagnosis, I don't think my wife would have a problem (and me for her). We both know each others burial preference (cremation). This is something we should talk about.

Personally, I don't like the idea of my family suffering financially in the hopes of keeping me alive. I'd rather them remember me being me, doing the stuff I like to do, than some vegetable hooked up to a bunch of tubes.

Unless the nurses are really hawt and give dynamite sponge baths, that is
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I hear you , Tude. I'm sorry for what your dad and family and YOU had to go through. Thank you for sharing something so personal with us. ((hugs))
Brought back memories. Thanks.

That was a hard period this past Spring. One IV could have saved this poor man nearly 3 months of sheer agony as his insides were being cancer encrusted and eventually laying in a bed in a near vegetative state because he was so doped up for weeks - because he had to be doped up because of excrutiating pain.

Rediculous and stupid - and totally taxing on the family and friends who watched it all unfold.

And as you can see, I'm rather bitter about it. And trying to also see how I can take care of my future now since I do not have children to take care of anything (ahhh term life ins) as well as ensuring my "kids" - cats are taken care of - including looking into healthcare ins for them.

Man, sucks to be an adult these days and have to be responsible for stuff. And future stuffs ...

... caused me to really put some more thorough thought into my future.
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"assisted"

Well, that's a tough one. I will probably find my own way out if I can, if I need to. But "assisted"... I hope by the time I have to make this decision it has been legalized and can be medically assisted. If not, then assistance from a family member... that might be too much to ask, for them to have to live with.

My mom asked me. Luckily it did not come to that.
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If an artificial machine has to keep me alive, then I wasn't meant to be living in the first place. Even if you are very religious, that is not God's will.

Cut the cord.
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A lot of differing responses, all with good reason and meaning. Please keep posting. I have to say goodnight right now but will check this again in the morning. I appreciate your words, I really do. Thank you all.
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