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Old 08-12-09, 11:56 AM
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Dog debarking.

I heard on the radio today a discussion about this guy that took (stole) his gf's dog because she was going to take him in for debarking and did not agree with it. The were debates about whether or not this surgery was cruel, based on the fact that dogs will know because now they can't hear themselves as much BUT that act of barking is still possible. The other side of the coin was that if an electronic dog barking collar was used to train the dog not to bark, it will break its spirit and not let it do what dogs do naturally.

Some were arguing that dogs just don't care and cannot relate an emotion with the inability to bark as before.

My view is that a constant barker is the sign of boredom or loneliness and that the owner should spend more loving time with the doggie.
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My experience is that the dog has no idea he/she/it can't bark. I base this on a dog I rode by on an MS150 several years ago. The dog ran out into the front yard and acted just like it was barking its little ass off.....but nothing was coming out of its mouth. I had to do a second take on that.
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I think debarking is just awful. If someone can't deal with their dog's barking noises then they probably shouldn't have a dog in the first place. Either that or they should hire a trainer to help them figure out why it's such a problem if it is in fact out of control.

I've never had dogs before, but I have had horses over the years and there are plenty of behaviors that are natural for a horse to do out in the wild but that are unacceptable when they are around humans in a domesticated setting. You just have to train them not to do those things. It doesn't mean you are breaking their spirit, you are just letting them know who is the alpha person. you are in charge, not them.
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In their case it was a matter of the neighbors complaining.
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Wouldn't do it to our dog. Sounds like a terrible idea and a shortcut to make up for inadequate attention/training.
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I would have to say no to this. If my dog can't talk to me how will I know what she wants?
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I would have to say no to this. If my dog can't talk to me how will I know what she wants?
Your dog talks to you?
Have you discussed this phenomenon with any qualified individuals? If not, may I suggest this guy I know named Tom?
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Another concern is if the dog will still be able to communicate with other dogs.

Here is an example of what it sounds like.

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Those electronic dog barking collars are a joke, in my opinion. Dogs learn to recognize when it's on, and will bark when it's off. It's not a training tool.

As far as "debarking", I worked at a vet clinic, and assisted in a few surgeries that lasered the vocal cords. It's a relatively easy process, and on this particular dog, it had to be done twice, because the first laser procedure didn't take, and the dog was still barking somewhat. While I personally wouldn't take away my dog's ability to bark, I don't think it bothers them too much.

Edit: dogs use MUCH more than their abilities to bark when they communicate. The bark is probably the least used when communicating.
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Old 08-12-09, 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Siu Blue Wind View Post
My view is that a constant barker is the sign of boredom or loneliness and that the owner should spend more loving time with the doggie.
I agree with this.

I read the title of your post, and I had no idea what debarking was. This is just another example of us using technology to make things easier for us without, without taking into consideration that dogs are living creatures. I don't like it at all.
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Old 08-12-09, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Siu Blue Wind View Post
In their case it was a matter of the neighbors complaining.
I am surrounded by 5 barking dogs.

None are mine.

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Absolutely, debark those dogs! While you're at it declaw the cats.

Say, anyone know a doctor who will dewhine my children?
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Absolutely, debark those dogs! While you're at it declaw the cats.

Say, anyone know a doctor who will dewhine my children?
I hear Jack Daniel or Jose Cuervo are good at that.
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Yep, debark the dog! Then get the dog's stomach stapled so if you forget to feed the dog, he won't feel as hungry! Then Nair the dog to keep it from shedding.
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I'm not too keen on that idea. Train your dog or keep it inside.
My labs bark but not excessively. It is how they communicate. That and howl at sirens.
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I've never heard of this before. excuse me while i go throw up a while...
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I say that you give the dog an icepick and train it to stab humans in the ear drum prior to barking.
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That would also make it hard for a dog to warn you of fire or scare off a burgler. Inhumane surgery for lazy dog owners.
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I say that you give the dog an icepick and train it to stab humans in the ear drum prior to barking.
Isn't that what your dog did to you? It didn't work did it!

I agree with Siu. If a dog barks too much it needs some attention and love. We always know when our terrier is being neglected when she is barking outside. We play, she shuts up.
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My neighbor got a dog that didn't bark much, but she got his neck neutered anyway. The wheeze was more annoying than the bark.

Also, I just watched that video of the debarked dog, and now my cat is trying to destroy my speakers.
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I wish my neighbor's dog would STFU. I think debarking sucks, but people who don't control their dog's impact on their neighbors suck too.

3:00 am last night. again, bark bark bark. bark bark bark. bleh.
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I'd like to debark my neighbors German Shepard but they're back from vacation now, so I'll have to put those plans on hold until later this fall. I complained (to them) so much they now leave me the key to their house and I get to take care of the dog while they're away. Used to be they'd leave her outside while they were gone, that dog would bark from dusk to dawn every night.
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