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Old 10-14-09, 01:15 PM
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Yay! I get the stupid Jeep back!

It's not a head gasket leak, as I feared it might have been. It turns out that the overheat issue was due to having a corroded old radiator. Coolant can flow out from engine just fine, but everything's all bunged up on the inlet side... Or so goes the current ruling diagnosis based on:

- Pressure check confirms all 6 cylinders hold pressure
- No evidence of exhaust gasses in coolant
- No evidence of water in engine or oil system
- Overheat causes coolant to overflow reservoir
- Multiple cold areas on radiator when spot checked
- Coolant is obviously murky with corrosion from system

So, they're flushing out the coolant system and dropping a new radiator in for me, and hopefully the stupid Jeep will be back in business.
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Hope it doesn't cost an arm and a leg.

Hope just had a relatively simple problem with her car (needed new alternator and battery in the end). Cost $700....right in the middle of paying vet bills.
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Whoot! time to find a pit and go mudding!
BTW what year is it?
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Originally Posted by ModoVincere View Post
Whoot! time to find a pit and go mudding!
Good god....where are you from? Georgia?
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Good god....where are you from? Georgia?
yes sirreee! the Hazard Country car wash is just up the road from here. Go down this road to old man Conners farm and hang a left. When you git to Zeke's place turn left again. You caint miss it.
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Originally Posted by ModoVincere View Post
Whoot! time to find a pit and go mudding!
Yea buddy!
It's actually not much of a mudder with only 30 x 9.5 BFG K/Os on there. It's more of a hardpack and scree trail zoomer.

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BTW what year is it?
I hope you mean the stupid Jeep, not just a general question.
It's a 2000 XJ sport with the 4L i6.
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Originally Posted by CliftonGK1 View Post
It's not a head gasket leak, as I feared it might have been. It turns out that the overheat issue was due to having a corroded old radiator. Coolant can flow out from engine just fine, but everything's all bunged up on the inlet side... Or so goes the current ruling diagnosis based on:

- Pressure check confirms all 6 cylinders hold pressure
- No evidence of exhaust gasses in coolant
- No evidence of water in engine or oil system
- Overheat causes coolant to overflow reservoir
- Multiple cold areas on radiator when spot checked
- Coolant is obviously murky with corrosion from system

So, they're flushing out the coolant system and dropping a new radiator in for me, and hopefully the stupid Jeep will be back in business.
What's the difference between a 'smart' Jeep and a 'stupid' one?
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I hope you mean the stupid Jeep, not just a general question.
It's a 2000 XJ sport with the 4L i6.
Good news that it's just a radiator problem. I have a '98 XJ myself and that engine is nearly bulletproof, but it does need to have a coolant flush now and then. Have 152K on mine and still on the original clutch and brake pads. It's not pretty, but easy to work on and parts aren't hard to get.
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Originally Posted by rnorris View Post
Good news that it's just a radiator problem. I have a '98 XJ myself and that engine is nearly bulletproof, but it does need to have a coolant flush now and then. Have 152K on mine and still on the original clutch and brake pads. It's not pretty, but easy to work on and parts aren't hard to get.
That's a good point. In some cars, you have to basically take it apart to get at the radiator, and that's where the cost usually gets you - labor. Its one thing to DIY, but you've got to have the tools and time.
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Originally Posted by rnorris View Post
Good news that it's just a radiator problem. I have a '98 XJ myself and that engine is nearly bulletproof, but it does need to have a coolant flush now and then. Have 152K on mine and still on the original clutch and brake pads. It's not pretty, but easy to work on and parts aren't hard to get.
I like hearing this. I recently bought a '06 YJ with the 4.0. I hope its as bulletproof.
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Originally Posted by ModoVincere View Post
I like hearing this. I recently bought a '06 YJ with the 4.0. I hope its as bulletproof.
I like Jeeps myself - co-worker just bought his brother's 01/02 as a divorce present to himself (he was driving a Jetta he bought from his former FIL, and dumped it as a bad memory) and its got the canvas top. Sounds like a lot of fun, even though he doesn't take it 4 wheeling. Having a couple of small children, that kind of car isn't terribly practical, though... I drive a Civic (but I *do* have the spiffy sunroof, so the car isn't completely lame).
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Originally Posted by bluevelo View Post
What's the difference between a 'smart' Jeep and a 'stupid' one?
There is no "smart" Jeep. It's Super Jeep when it runs properly. It's stupid Jeep when it doesn't.

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Good news that it's just a radiator problem. I have a '98 XJ myself and that engine is nearly bulletproof, but it does need to have a coolant flush now and then. Have 152K on mine and still on the original clutch and brake pads. It's not pretty, but easy to work on and parts aren't hard to get.
Just rolling up to 93k on mine, and aside from this it's been great. Nothing outside of standard wear & tear, and any issues have been related to my piss poor maintenance scheduling.

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That's a good point. In some cars, you have to basically take it apart to get at the radiator, and that's where the cost usually gets you - labor. Its one thing to DIY, but you've got to have the tools and time.
If I had a real garage I could replace the radiator myself, it's not a horribly involved process to detach it or remove it from the vehicle. However, I live in an apartment and have a garage which is barely wide enough to open the door and get out once I've parked the car. There's just enough room behind the bumper for the garage door to close.
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Originally Posted by CliftonGK1 View Post
There is no "smart" Jeep. It's Super Jeep when it runs properly. It's stupid Jeep when it doesn't.


Just rolling up to 93k on mine, and aside from this it's been great. Nothing outside of standard wear & tear, and any issues have been related to my piss poor maintenance scheduling.


If I had a real garage I could replace the radiator myself, it's not a horribly involved process to detach it or remove it from the vehicle. However, I live in an apartment and have a garage which is barely wide enough to open the door and get out once I've parked the car. There's just enough room behind the bumper for the garage door to close.
Doesn't that kind of crowd the bikes?

The guy that has the Jeep... he actually doesn't keep it in his garage, as he's got this huge collection of frankenbikes and tools. No room for his car.
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Originally Posted by ModoVincere View Post
I like hearing this. I recently bought a '06 YJ with the 4.0. I hope its as bulletproof.
You probably meant '06 TJ. I'll let it slide this time since the T and the Y keys are right next to each other.

XJ was the best all around vehicle I had ever owned. Sold it with over 330k miles on the original engine and tranny. Went through peripheral pieces but they were relatively cheap. (3 alternators, 2 starters, 2 radiators, 3 power steering pumps)
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Originally Posted by bluevelo View Post
What's the difference between a 'smart' Jeep and a 'stupid' one?
The smart one is left in the dealer parking lot.
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jeeps suck!
Having owned one Jeep and two Landcruisers, I must agree. But they're cheap toys. Until they break. Which is often.
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Originally Posted by KingTermite View Post
Hope it doesn't cost an arm and a leg.

Hope just had a relatively simple problem with her car (needed new alternator and battery in the end). Cost $700....right in the middle of paying vet bills.
The first time my girlfriend's car (94 Grand Am) had the alternator go out her dad wasn't there. As a result it cost somewhere around $500, on a Sunday afternoon in PA. The second time it went out, I was there. It took me 25 minutes. The tools consisted of a crescent wrench and a rag. The total price the second time was around $70. If I'd had to buy a cheap crescent wrench at a gas station it would have been another $10. If it had been my car I would have also needed a 1/2 inch ratchet. Car maintenance is sort of like bike maintenance, it's lots cheaper if you know how, and most* of the alternators in the world are really easy to get to.

*This most certainly does not include pre1988 Honda Accords, or 80's Nissan vans.
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The first time my girlfriend's car (94 Grand Am) had the alternator go out her dad wasn't there. As a result it cost somewhere around $500, on a Sunday afternoon in PA. The second time it went out, I was there. It took me 25 minutes. The tools consisted of a crescent wrench and a rag. The total price the second time was around $70. If I'd had to buy a cheap crescent wrench at a gas station it would have been another $10. If it had been my car I would have also needed a 1/2 inch ratchet. Car maintenance is sort of like bike maintenance, it's lots cheaper if you know how, and most* of the alternators in the world are really easy to get to.

*This most certainly does not include pre1988 Honda Accords, or 80's Nissan vans.
I wanna see you change the plugs in the back bank of a Cosworth Vega.
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I wanna see you change the plugs in the back bank of a Cosworth Vega.
I took my Mitsubishi Magna (in Australia) to my mechanic, as it had a slight oil leak. He suggested selling the car. Apparently, the $5 seal that was leaking is on the back of the motor, and requires about $800 labor to replace.
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I took my Mitsubishi Magna (in Australia) to my mechanic, as it had a slight oil leak. He suggested selling the car. Apparently, the $5 seal that was leaking is on the back of the motor, and requires about $800 labor to replace.
probably designed by the same jackass who designed the cosworth vega.
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I wanna see you change the plugs in the back bank of a Cosworth Vega.
Nope. Last time I needed to pull the plugs on my '91 Camaro (sbc with headers) I concluded the fastest way to do it was remove the exhaust (needed to anyways). I've heard the 4th gens were worse (Maybe Sui knows).
Worse yet, I had a friend with a Mitsu 3000GT. He showed me the factory service manual entry for changing the rear 3 spark plugs...it starts with removing the intake manifold.
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I took my Mitsubishi Magna (in Australia) to my mechanic, as it had a slight oil leak. He suggested selling the car. Apparently, the $5 seal that was leaking is on the back of the motor, and requires about $800 labor to replace.
Sounds like my timing chain. You need to remove the timing cover, which requires removing the oil pan, which requires lifting the engine, which requires removing the distributor....

My room mate's sister had a Subaru with a similar rear main seal sort of leak. It leaked a quart every 500 miles. Upon being informed that she planned to keep the car for another 40-50k miles, he advised that the cheapest solution was to keep adding a quart of oil every 500 miles, and that unless the oil leak tripled over night, it wasn't going to be worth it.

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You'd be impressed what a mostly stock XJ like the one above will do. Our club has mostly moved away from 20k TJ's and such to 3k XJ's. go out find one that runs buy it, do a little cutting and slap on a set of wheels, maybe a couple of lunchbox lockers and you're ready to go. The 4.0 and auto's hold out really great on the trail and road.
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Nope. Last time I needed to pull the plugs on my '91 Camaro (sbc with headers) I concluded the fastest way to do it was remove the exhaust (needed to anyways). I've heard the 4th gens were worse (Maybe Sui knows).
Worse yet, I had a friend with a Mitsu 3000GT. He showed me the factory service manual entry for changing the rear 3 spark plugs...it starts with removing the intake manifold.
V8 Monza, you literally had to pull the engine out mounts.
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