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Old 02-02-10, 07:10 AM
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Looking for the name of an allergy "cure"

You hold a small amount of whatever you're allergic to in one hand and the other hand is subjected to lights or lasers. It's supposed to cure allergies. Any idea what this is called?
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I was talking to someone recently who had used it and said it worked. I'm curious about it.
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Quackery?
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I knew a Brujo once that could do that, but he always turned into a dog afterwards.........seems his name was Carlos.
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I was talking to someone recently who had used it and said it worked. I'm curious about it.
Well, since generally speaking, an allergy is due to the entrance of a foreign protein which the body lacks a specific enzyme to degrade and the immune system responds to as a foreign body....how in the world a laser and holding said object in the hand can "cure" it is beyond me.
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Well, since generally speaking, an allergy is due to the entrance of a foreign protein which the body lacks a specific enzyme to degrade and the immune system responds to as a foreign body....how in the world a laser and holding said object in the hand can "cure" it is beyond me.
Hence the reason I'd like to find out more about it. My guess is that it's a placebo.
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That would be called "parting a fool and his money."
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Originally Posted by UnsafeAlpine View Post
Hence the reason I'd like to find out more about it. My guess is that it's a placebo.
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=277


hocus pocus.... sounds like crap de toro to me.
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The cure for many respiratory allergies is carpet removal.
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Move to a dry high altitude climate
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Move to a dry high altitude climate
Unless you're allergic to the brush that grows there.
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Do pinchers count as hands? If so, can I borrow someone's laser and a chunk of Pcad?
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Phobias are for irrational fears. Fear of junk ripping badgers is perfectly rational. Those things are nasty.
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Do pinchers count as hands? If so, can I borrow someone's laser and a chunk of Pcad?
Let me get my knife...be glad to get a chunk of pcad for you...how much do you need?
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One medium sized pincher full should suffice.
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Are you allergic to Lasers? I don't think this will help.
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Are you allergic to Lasers? I don't think this will help.
Laser should not hurt.......a piece of pcad, now that's another story
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That would be called "parting a fool and his money."
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http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=277


hocus pocus.... sounds like crap de toro to me.
Well, here's the rub. MV and some others of you know how I am about pseudoscience. The person I talked to no longer takes allergy medication and has no problems with formerly allergic things. Milk, actually, was a big allergy and now it's not. None of the former symptoms are present and he can drink milk all day long. I can't imagine there is any medical reason for this other than the placebo effect but if it is solely a placebo, isn't it still worth the cost?
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Originally Posted by UnsafeAlpine View Post
Well, here's the rub. MV and some others of you know how I am about pseudoscience. The person I talked to no longer takes allergy medication and has no problems with formerly allergic things. Milk, actually, was a big allergy and now it's not. None of the former symptoms are present and he can drink milk all day long. I can't imagine there is any medical reason for this other than the placebo effect but if it is solely a placebo, isn't it still worth the cost?
dunno...that would be up to the individual I guess. I'm wondering if it might have anything to do with additional vitamin D being formed via the laser on the skin.
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Originally Posted by UnsafeAlpine View Post
Well, here's the rub. MV and some others of you know how I am about pseudoscience. The person I talked to no longer takes allergy medication and has no problems with formerly allergic things. Milk, actually, was a big allergy and now it's not. None of the former symptoms are present and he can drink milk all day long. I can't imagine there is any medical reason for this other than the placebo effect but if it is solely a placebo, isn't it still worth the cost?
In placebo controlled studies, 20-33% of all positive effects of a treatment can be attributed to the placebo effect. Here's the rub. If you suspect you are receiving the placebo, you are highly unlikely to be a responder (<5% if I remember correctly). Thus, your healthy skepticism makes you one of the people to be unlikely to be a placebo responder.

That treatment is complete junk.
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In placebo controlled studies, 20-33% of all positive effects of a treatment can be attributed to the placebo effect. Here's the rub. If you suspect you are receiving the placebo, you are highly unlikely to be a responder (<5% if I remember correctly). Thus, your healthy skepticism makes you one of the people to be unlikely to be a placebo responder.

That treatment is complete junk.
Is it at all possible that the lasers could help the skin create Vit. D? Vit. D deficiency can effect allergies.
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In placebo controlled studies, 20-33% of all positive effects of a treatment can be attributed to the placebo effect. Here's the rub. If you suspect you are receiving the placebo, you are highly unlikely to be a responder (<5% if I remember correctly). Thus, your healthy skepticism makes you one of the people to be unlikely to be a placebo responder.

That treatment is complete junk.
If it's complete junk, why does it appear to work for him?

Placebo effect is a pretty interesting thing. There was a great Radio Lab show that talked about the placebo effect. There's studies going on right now that are trying to unravel the mysteries of placebos...
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Placebo works because a large percentage of ailments are psychosomatic anyway.

I've met a lot of people who say they are allergic to dogs. So I invite them over for tea and we sit around having a great time for hours. Then my wife comes home from taking the dog to the park and he runs into the backyard. These people then start coughing and sneezing. But they've been sitting in a house full of dog-hair for hours without any problems! And the dog's outside!
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Originally Posted by UnsafeAlpine View Post
If it's complete junk, why does it appear to work for him?

Placebo effect is a pretty interesting thing. There was a great Radio Lab show that talked about the placebo effect. There's studies going on right now that are trying to unravel the mysteries of placebos...
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