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Old 02-07-10, 01:57 PM
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Scary on so many levels.

Standing in line at the beer store ( I know its' a hangout for mensa folks, to start with) who is totalling their sales by hand as their computer is down. Guy in front says "I hate computers" . Ok, typical comment like a teenager hating their parents... Then he follows it with " That's why I don't allow them in my house." Just remember folks "Jury of your peers"

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Originally Posted by nivekdodge View Post
Standing in line at the beer store ( I know its' a hangout for mensa folks, to start with) who is totalling their sales by hand as their computer is down. Guy in front says "I hate computers" . Ok, typical comment like a teenager hating their parents... Then he follows it with " That's why I don't allow them in my house." Just remember folks "Jury of your peers"

Discuss....
So what? Do you know how much time is wasted on computers? It's also given rise to the inability of simple calculations to be performed. Try asking the average teen to add on sales tax to the cost of something without using a computer. Most won't be able to do it with even a calculator...
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Originally Posted by UnsafeAlpine View Post
So what? Do you know how much time is wasted on computers? It's also given rise to the inability of simple calculations to be performed. Try asking the average teen to add on sales tax to the cost of something without using a computer. Most won't be able to do it with even a calculator...
Hell, just ask them to calculate your change...I'd say 50% can't calculate the change of a $4 net transaction when you give them a $5, unless the register tells them how much the change should be. Its a scary, sad, pathetic site to watch.
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Originally Posted by ModoVincere View Post
Hell, just ask them to calculate your change...I'd say 50% can't calculate the change of a $4 net transaction when you give them a $5, unless the register tells them how much the change should be. Its a scary, sad, pathetic site to watch.
Sure, I get that people think computers are the downfall of society. I think the downfall of society started when we went from hunter/gatherers to farmers because things, at that point, started becoming specialized. The more technology we get, the more specialized we become. I don't know if it's really all that bad to not be able to figure out change in your head, but it certainly is becoming more rare as time passes.
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Originally Posted by UnsafeAlpine View Post
Sure, I get that people think computers are the downfall of society. I think the downfall of society started when we went from hunter/gatherers to farmers because things, at that point, started becoming specialized. The more technology we get, the more specialized we become. I don't know if it's really all that bad to not be able to figure out change in your head, but it certainly is becoming more rare as time passes.
I don't blame computers...I think most people are lazy.
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Originally Posted by ModoVincere View Post
I don't blame computers...I think most people are lazy.
Of course most people are lazy. It's the nature of man. Computers have given us a way out of working things out. If I have to calculate a problem, I go to my calculator because it's a helluva lot easier and quicker than doing it in my head. If I'm raised to go to the calculator or the computer to do something, what's the point of ever learning to do it in my head?
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Originally Posted by UnsafeAlpine View Post
Of course most people are lazy. It's the nature of man. Computers have given us a way out of working things out. If I have to calculate a problem, I go to my calculator because it's a helluva lot easier and quicker than doing it in my head. If I'm raised to go to the calculator or the computer to do something, what's the point of ever learning to do it in my head?
Power outages for one.
Also, learning to do stuff in your head enables one to learn how to do more advanced stuff. Its all great to get the right answer with a calculator or computer, but if you don't know how or why the answer is correct, you are not really getting anywhere.
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Originally Posted by ModoVincere View Post
Power outages for one.
Also, learning to do stuff in your head enables one to learn how to do more advanced stuff. Its all great to get the right answer with a calculator or computer, but if you don't know how or why the answer is correct, you are not really getting anywhere.
Knowing how or why doesn't mean you have to be able to do it in your head. Case in point, my trig class is taught using calculators to find the solution to more advanced problems. We simply are not taught how to do it in our heads because the amount of time it would take to learn is not worth it. We can understand how the solutions are arrived at but we don't know how to figure it out on paper.
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Originally Posted by UnsafeAlpine View Post
Knowing how or why doesn't mean you have to be able to do it in your head. Case in point, my trig class is taught using calculators to find the solution to more advanced problems. We simply are not taught how to do it in our heads because the amount of time it would take to learn is not worth it. We can understand how the solutions are arrived at but we don't know how to figure it out on paper.
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Frankly, though, the specialization allows for greater carriage capacity of a society. If we were still hunter/gatherers, at best, we'd still be living in caves or skin tents, and follow a nomadic migratory pattern based on the weather. Storage capacity would be very limited, so we'd have almost no reserves if hunting or gathered vegetable foods, or the fishing was bad.

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Sure, I get that people think computers are the downfall of society. I think the downfall of society started when we went from hunter/gatherers to farmers because things, at that point, started becoming specialized. The more technology we get, the more specialized we become. I don't know if it's really all that bad to not be able to figure out change in your head, but it certainly is becoming more rare as time passes.
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Frankly, though, the specialization allows for greater carriage capacity of a society. If we were still hunter/gatherers, at best, we'd still be living in caves or skin tents, and follow a nomadic migratory pattern based on the weather. Storage capacity would be very limited, so we'd have almost no reserves if hunting or gathered vegetable foods, or the fishing was bad.
Have you read Ishmael? It's a pretty fun novel about the philosophy of mankind.
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No, but I've seen the movie, Instinct, which was very, very loosely based on the book. It at least expounded quite a few of the Phil. theories, etc.
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No, but I've seen the movie, Instinct, which was very, very loosely based on the book. It at least expounded quite a few of the Phil. theories, etc.
That looks interesting.
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Originally Posted by UnsafeAlpine View Post
So what? Do you know how much time is wasted on computers? It's also given rise to the inability of simple calculations to be performed. Try asking the average teen to add on sales tax to the cost of something without using a computer. Most won't be able to do it with even a calculator...
You do realize that a calculator IS a computer, right?
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I can't figure out the sales tax on my own, but that's because in CA the rate varies not only by county but in some cases by city, and often changes by a quarter or eighth of a percent with some new proposition.

http://www.boe.ca.gov/sutax/pam71.htm

California has many special taxing jurisdictions (districts), which are funded by a transactions (sales) and use tax rate that is added to the standard statewide rate of 8.25%, effective April 1, 2009. The tax rates for these districts range from 0.10% to 1.00% per district. In some areas, there is more than one district tax in effect. In others, there is no district tax in effect.
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Originally Posted by ModoVincere View Post
Hell, just ask them to calculate your change...I'd say 50% can't calculate the change of a $4 net transaction when you give them a $5, unless the register tells them how much the change should be. Its a scary, sad, pathetic site to watch.
Their spell checkers are a hoot, too! At least to the folks who post on this sight!
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Hell, just ask them to calculate your change...I'd say 50% can't calculate the change of a $4 net transaction when you give them a $5, unless the register tells them how much the change should be. Its a scary, sad, pathetic site to watch.
i used to give a note plus a few coins so they can give me back a note in change. i like to get rid of heavy shrapnel. now it is such a pain explaining to the dumb zit faced kid behind the counter why i gave more than just the note and waiting for the penny to drop. i stopped doing it.
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Their spell checkers are a hoot, too! At least to the folks who post on this sight!
picky picky picky.


besides, how is one to give UA a difficult time if you're serious?
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My parents owned a liquor store when I was a kid. We used the non-electronic Sweda and NCR registers. I don't know what trig means but I can count change and calculate sales tax really well.
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Hmmm, I can count change, work Algebra, Trig, Differential calculus, Integral calculus, statistics, Fourier Transforms, and pretty much whatever else I want to do in math either on paper or in my head, with or without a calculator, or I can use a slide rule, as well. Then again, I'm an old fogey compared to the rest of my classmates. Fact is, if you know the forms, and just pay attention to details, your math ability is pretty much unlimited, just slower than a computer. You also have to understand the math to set up a program to do the calculation for you. Hell, if you know the equations, you can get excel to figure out even very advanced physics equations for you.

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My parents owned a liquor store when I was a kid. We used the non-electronic Sweda and NCR registers. I don't know what trig means but I can count change and calculate sales tax really well.
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Hmmm, I can count change, work Algebra, Trig, Differential calculus, Integral calculus, statistics, Fourier Transforms, and pretty much whatever else I want to do in math either on paper or in my head, with or without a calculator, or I can use a slide rule, as well. Then again, I'm an old fogey compared to the rest of my classmates. Fact is, if you know the forms, and just pay attention to details, your math ability is pretty much unlimited, just slower than a computer. You also have to understand the math to set up a program to do the calculation for you. Hell, if you know the equations, you can get excel to figure out even very advanced physics equations for you.
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Sure, I get that people think computers are the downfall of society. I think the downfall of society started when we went from hunter/gatherers to farmers because things, at that point, started becoming specialized. The more technology we get, the more specialized we become. I don't know if it's really all that bad to not be able to figure out change in your head, but it certainly is becoming more rare as time passes.
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