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Old 10-05-04, 01:10 AM
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Coy dogs. Has anyone had any experiences with Coy dogs? Do they attack humans?

This is what I've been getting. They seem to be waiting for me on my commute at 2:45am.- 3:30am For the last 6 or 7 days. ( The bear spray is always ready)

Last night I could hear them for at least 3/4 of a mile. before riding in to a field of them(4 or 5). after coming off a trail I take all summer long with out any problems. I stop point my head lights toward them .They all stop howling and focus there attention on me. Then one of them starts to growl at me. Thats when I say it's time to go!

So has anybody had this type of experience before.
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What is a Coy dog? Is that a coyote?
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Originally Posted by Methos
What is a Coy dog? Is that a coyote?
Some say its a mix of domestic dog and coyote. The old timers say its a mix of wolf and coyote. Who knows what?

All I know is thats the last thing I want see at 4:00am 25 feet from my back wheel.
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They weren't next to the trail last night but I could hear them in the distance maybe a 1/2 mile to the west.

The one that I was able to see I would say about 3' tall around 45 pounds. From around a distance of 60' to 80' All I could see of the rest of them was eye shine.

The sounds they make gets the hair standing up on the back of your neck. On my approach last night. I was like oh boy here we go again their in that same field as last night. I was so glad see they were to the west a bit.
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The biggest problem I have seen from these hybrids is that they work in packs. Coyotes usually run only in family groups. Coy dogs have been known to take down horses & cattle, so a man should not be a problem, if they get over their fear of humans.

Pepper spray should work, or some kind of noisemaker, like a small air horn or a loud whistle. And play the head games, look large & dominant, stare them in the eye.
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Originally Posted by Gojohnnygo.
I stop point my head lights toward them .They all stop howling and focus there attention on me. Then one of them starts to growl at me. Thats when I say it's time to go!

So has anybody had this type of experience before.
dang, that's sounds kinda scary. i've had a lot of experience with coyotes, and they are usually very weary of humans. I've seen groups of them and they would always run away when i approached. but then again, i'm talking about coyotes - i've never seen a coy dog before.
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Originally Posted by Da Tinker
stare them in the eye.
Isn't that what gives a mad dog a warning call to attack?
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Originally Posted by Da Tinker
The biggest problem I have seen from these hybrids is that they work in packs. Coyotes usually run only in family groups. Coy dogs have been known to take down horses & cattle, so a man should not be a problem, if they get over their fear of humans.

Pepper spray should work, or some kind of noisemaker, like a small air horn or a loud whistle. And play the head games, look large & dominant,
I just finished reading a report on how they have attacked cows and large pigs

Look large and dominate seems to be a good way. I have 2700cu back pack on I'm 170 at 5'11" and standing on the pedals.

Its the comments about them attacking large live stock thats got me worried. I have just read a report of Coy dogs attacking a 800lbs+ cows.
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Originally Posted by timmhaan
dang, that's sounds kinda scary. i've had a lot of experience with coyotes, and they are usually very weary of humans. I've seen groups of them and they would always run away when i approached. but then again, i'm talking about coyotes - i've never seen a coy dog before.
This is what I have been getting from the locals. It's not uncommon to have coy or coyotes to circle a tree stand while hunting. They seem to be waiting and wondering who you are. Some say the dogs are just waiting for an easy meal. They will also say when leaving their stand they seem to be tracked all the way to their truck.

If you have heard a coy pack? All the yeps, yaps, yells and howls are a bit creepy.
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Coy dogs! A few pics.
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We have plenty of coy dogs in these parts. I have not experienced any of them on my bike because I ride during the day but I have had them chase my car. When camping they circled our tent once and just sniffed around. We beat the ground and shook the tent and they ran off.

There haven't been any real attacks out here but after watching them almost ram my passenger side door, I wouldn't want to see one while on a bike.
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Non-sterile offspring from a cross-species breeding? Craziness!
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Originally Posted by Xtrmyorick
Non-sterile offspring from a cross-species breeding? Craziness!

Also known as fertile.....
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Originally Posted by Xtrmyorick
Non-sterile offspring from a cross-species breeding? Craziness!
I don't know about coyotes but I know wolves and dogs are actually one species, used to be thought of as two.

I was riding my moto(it's on/offroad why? keep reading.) through BFE Montana and stopped to camp on a large gravel pile(researved fo future road work I guess) and so I'm sleeping just a sleeping bag, no tent, stayed fully dressed as it was chilly. I awoke to the creepiest sound, kind of throaty short growls, like a coyote trying to imitate a wildcat while devouring some meat . Just one source but it was down in the field just passed my moto, kept it up for several minutes, and was not affected by big noises I tried to make to spook it. So, me needing sleep I said 'F this shtick!' went stomping down toward it and my bike, noted the direction of the growl, fired up the bike and took off straight in that direction but didn't see anything. So I made a circle in the field and came back to my gravel heap. A minute or three later its back so this time I jump on the moto go way out, do like about four large circles and figure eights around this field honking my horn and so forth.

It worked, mostly, several minutes passed then I heard it again, but much much farther away and slowly moving away. So I when to back to sleep. I can't quite recall but I think I put my helmet on when I went back to sleep it is quite warm and plush and, along with my riding coat, makes good set of armor.
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Now that's different behavior that I've seen. Around here, Chenango County NYS, they are very secretive. It's rare to see one, much less a pack. I'd be very concerned about that. They are smart and darn fast, they are a real challenge to shoot. Don't mess, you won't outrun them and they are as motivated as you.
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Man, those two in the pics have wicked eyes. Not like full bred coyotes, wolves or dogs but rather more like bastard hell spawn, gives me willies.

oh and last year I road my bicycle way up into the mountains and went for a night hike. I came upon somthing with glowing(reflection of course) yellow eyes about the shape size and spacing of a dog or wolf, it seemed to a touch big to be a coyote but wolves tend to pack and I don't even know for sure if there are wolves here. my light wasn't powerful enough to see more than the eyes, scared it off down the hill(steep landslide) fairly easy but then it just stared at me for a long time, I managed to scare it off a bit more and then hiked back to my bicycle with haste and hit the road. It still gives me goosebumps.
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Originally Posted by capsicum
Man, those two in the pics have wicked eyes. Not like full bred coyotes, wolves or dogs but rather more like bastard hell spawn, gives me willies.
no kidding. they seem like an abomination of nature. very wicked looking beasts.
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is that black one stuffed? from a museum or something? why does it have a collar?
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Originally Posted by timmhaan
is that black one stuffed? from a museum or something? why does it have a collar?
he's such a coy dog that he charmed his way into someone's home.
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Originally Posted by Applehead57
Now that's different behavior that I've seen. Around here, Chenango County NYS, they are very secretive. It's rare to see one, much less a pack. I'd be very concerned about that. They are smart and darn fast, they are a real challenge to shoot. Don't mess, you won't outrun them and they are as motivated as you.
Thats it! If I can hear them at the trail head. I'm going to take the long way. Even if I could out run them, I have to dismount and carry the bike over two sets of huge logs the land owner has placed there to keep four wheelers out.
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Originally Posted by capsicum
Man, those two in the pics have wicked eyes. Not like full bred coyotes, wolves or dogs but rather more like bastard hell spawn, gives me willies.
Gives you the willies. I invite you for my next trail riding experience with the bastards of hell spawn. I will even let you go first.

Just kidding. Saturday AM I'm going down to the trail with a shot gun, spot light and camera. No not to kill one. Just to see if I can get few pics.
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Originally Posted by mirona
but after watching them almost ram my passenger side door, I wouldn't want to see one while on a bike.
Same here and I hope it doesn't happen again!

This is the last thing you guys need to be talking about here. I can see it now, a thread on Bike Forums, Upstate New York cyclist mauled to death by Coy dogs. Here is a link to CNN with the full story.

With a follow up thread. Where did Gojohhnygo GO?
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Originally Posted by Gojohnnygo.
Saturday AM I'm going down to the trail with a shot gun, spot light and camera. No not to kill one. Just to see if I can get few pics.
I'm heading out right now with my brother to see if we can get some pictures.

Wish us luck!!!
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Originally Posted by Gojohnnygo.
I just finished reading a report on how they have attacked cows and large pigs

Look large and dominate seems to be a good way. I have 2700cu back pack on I'm 170 at 5'11" and standing on the pedals.

Its the comments about them attacking large live stock thats got me worried. I have just read a report of Coy dogs attacking a 800lbs+ cows.
I almost forgot to say taking down a large pig is as bad if not worse than a cow.
Pigs are hella strong, that white meat is mostly fast twitch muscle. I saw a couple of 160 pound pigs(medium pigs, and full hogs can be well over 300) get in a fight. What you have to do is stuff a chunk of plywood between them, well this 300lb, brick wall(all muscle) farmhand had that job, and he managed to after a minute or two but got shoved around quite a bit in the proccess and the pig wasn't even trying to shove him it was focused on the other pig. Boy I'd hate to piss off a wild boar, they still have tusks and a bad adittude.
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My brother is a big sissy. He kept on complaining about how cold it is. Then we hear the Coy Dogs in the distance. He's like what to hell is that? I say thats what were looking for. I tell him this is your old stomping ground cool down you do have my 308 in your hand. As we get closer to the Coys he starts to freak out! John, I want to go now and he is freaking out.

I say Cool down bro and give me that gun before you hurt yourself. Thats it no pics just a wimped out brother.

10 years in the city and he is a softy. Nothing compares to baby sitting your older brother.
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