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Old 07-24-11, 11:54 AM
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I spent 5-6 years owning only motorcycles, no car, during school and really loved it. I lived in Northern California at the time and felt like I had a reasonable ability to control my own risk. Mostly country roads with little traffic and I only had one small incident over that time period that resulted in a re-painted motorcycle to repair the light damage, and no injury at all to me. This was before I got into cycling. I've since moved to Southern California where my poor VFR 750 sat alone in the garage, not being ridden for an entire year before I passed it along to the next guy and turned the cash into road bikes for my wife and I. Honestly, the satisfaction that I get out of cycling far (and I mean FAR) outweighs the enjoyment that I got from the motorcycle.

During the time that I was riding street bikes, I had multiple friends involved in crashes (mostly fairly minor) and through self awareness and self-control was able to many times let them ride away from me through a thrilling section of road, knowing that they'd be waiting for me at the end. I enjoyed riding for the freedom and cheap transportation, not the adrenaline. I think it was this that allowed me to gracefully leave the sport with no injuries or bad experiences. I spent a fair amount of time riding the motorcycle with my (then) girlfriend who is now my wife. She now rides 2-3 times a week on the bike with me, and I cherish that time. Only occasionally do I miss riding a motorcycle, and when it does cross my mind, it's actually my Honda shadow that I miss the most, not the sportier bikes I've had.

I think for me cycling filled the motorcycling void, and then some, so it's been a painless transition for me. I'm healthier and happier since the change, and I doubt I'll ever go back.

I think if you've found something as wonderful and wholly beneficial as cycling, and a wife who supports it, motorcycles might just be a reasonable sacrifice for you to make to protect what you have.

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Old 07-24-11, 12:00 PM
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http://www.parapublishing.com/files/...bbreviated.pdf Provided the statistics on this source is correct, your lifetime odds of becoming a motorcycle fatality is 1 in 1,159. Startling number. Take caution.
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Old 07-24-11, 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by banerjek View Post
Yet she's genuinely unhappy with my idea of getting a motorcycle -- she's made it clear that while she trusts me on a bike anytime anywhere, a motorbike is a totally different game.
Bicycling (especially MTB) has made me a better motorcyclist. Although I understand her point. Greater speed potential and weight make it less likely to stop/maintain control in dicey situations. I'm glad I brought my cruiser to SC (from WI). My strategy? Wear a full face helmet (bold yellow) and long sleeve protective gear (cherry red) in 95 degree heat. Most drivers seem so amazed at my attire that I don't feel threatened. usually.

Oh, and don't get a moped, duh. You need enough motor to get up and go pronto if the need arises. No Busa either though.
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Old 07-24-11, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Nachoman View Post
I won't get a motorcycle because I know I'll cycle less. The day I get too injured to pedal, I might consider it.
This is one of her arguments, i.e. how could I actually ride the thing without cutting into my cycling time and decreasing my fitness? That logic is airtight, as I'm not willing to cut back on cycling or suck at that sport more than I do. As things are, I ride less than I'd like though the overall level is acceptable.
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Old 07-24-11, 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by skijor View Post
Bicycling (especially MTB) has made me a better motorcyclist. Although I understand her point. Greater speed potential and weight make it less likely to stop/maintain control in dicey situations. I'm glad I brought my cruiser to SC (from WI). My strategy? Wear a full face helmet (bold yellow) and long sleeve protective gear (cherry red) in 95 degree heat. Most drivers seem so amazed at my attire that I don't feel threatened. usually.
Oh, and don't get a moped, duh. You need enough motor to get up and go pronto if the need arises. No Busa either though.
I agree.... ATGATT (all the gear,all the time)
A good full face helmet,armored jacket,armored pants &
boots really made for motorcyclist will greatly improve your chances.
Remember it's "when" not "if" your going to crash.
I've had road rash & it ain't fun.

Also, No to the moped, but a good Honda/Suzuki scooter can be a good way to learn & can be surprisingly faster than most cars/trucks.
http://advrider.com/forums/index.php
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Old 07-24-11, 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueRaleigh View Post
Compromise and get one of those new Trek FX Plus electric bicycles.
I'll never ride an electric bike while I am still able bodied.

Besides, even the best electric bikes lack range and speed if they are legally configured.
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Old 07-24-11, 07:23 PM
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I owned a motorcycle when I lived back east, I sold it before moving to Colorado, but the weather is so nice here I told my self that would be my first purchase when I got out here. On the drive out here from RI, I was driving in NJ (I think) when this white thing rolled in front of my truck, I realized it was a motorcycle helmet. Then I saw, in the far left lane, a bike sliding off the road, but the rider was sliding face down on the pavement. I stopped along with a half dozen cars. I walked over about 70 or 80 yards to the rider, a huge pool of blood was forming under his head, There were already people there calling 911. At least a dozen more people stopped. The guy wasn't moving, but still alive. There were people who seemed to have some medical or first aid training tending to him, so I just stood back. I stayed long enough to give a let an officer know what I saw, then left.
I never bought a motorcycle and don't plan on getting one.
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Old 07-24-11, 11:20 PM
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Dirt bike.

All the fun, no traffic issues.
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Ski, bike and wish I was gay.
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Old 07-25-11, 07:48 AM
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Dirt bike.

All the fun, no traffic issues.
If you hit a tree, it's not the trees fault.
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Old 07-25-11, 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 2manybikes View Post
If you hit a tree, it's not the trees fault.
Unless it's a jumping tree.

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Old 07-25-11, 07:33 PM
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Now for a different perspective, non safety related perspective that might save you thousands of dollars for the bike and thousands for the divorce. Motorcycles might becoming boring for you...

I raced 250 cc MX for 5 years in HS and college, at the semi-pro level. Started racing road bicycles in college about 30 years ago. I bought a 600 cc sport bike a few years ago...."to improve my high speed bicycle descending skills" so when I was doing Colorado rides like the Triple Bypass, I would not get dropped on the 50+ mph descents. I took the MSF course, researched bikes, bought all the gear...Sidi track boots, leather jacket and track pants, expensive helmet and gloves. Did lots of riding in the SoCal mountains, but after the first year it was boring...just too easy to go fast. No challenge = no fun.

It did help my descending, I never fell, never dropped the bike, I just dropped several thousand dollars in depreciation on the bike. Yes, cars did try and kill me on several occasions, but I understood that it was my job to prevent that outcome...and I did. So the grass is not greener, just more expensive....
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Old 07-25-11, 08:29 PM
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one of the best conversations I've ever overheard - and am thankful that both my sons heatrd the same conversation - was one between a best friend (also a great chiropractor) and a brain surgeon. It was at a MTB race, and the surgeon - who had interned in Ohio, and was woring in WV, was commenting on helmet laws. "There are gardens with motorcycle accident victims in Ohio, but not in WV", the sugeon said. No helmet law in Ohio (at the time anyway).

My older son has a 750 crotch rocket that he rides to work everyday, but his best friend assures me that, judging from his tire wear, he never gets over 45 mph. When he bought it, I bought him a kevlar-lined jacket.

Cruising down a highway at speed on a motorcycle - no matter how good a rider you might be - leaves you at the whim of the drivers around you, and I applaud the OP's wife for caring about OP's well-being, safety, and life.

OP: stick to the track, or give up an amazing partner - your choice!
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Old 07-26-11, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Wordbiker View Post
Unless it's a jumping tree.



If anyone is old enought to know what it is, I saw a Rokon today. Probably about 40 years old. 2WD motorcycle with CVT.
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Old 07-26-11, 11:12 AM
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Get a scooter.
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Old 07-26-11, 01:54 PM
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Buy a moped and watch Quadrophenia. Sting makes riding one (and leading his moped gang) look pretty badass.
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Old 07-26-11, 03:07 PM
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OP, I think you are spoiled and want to push the limit
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Old 07-27-11, 08:52 PM
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I know a lot of reasonable people as well as a lot of unreasonable people that drive cars. Most of them have no idea how fast their car goes, although the answer is usually less than 120 mph. I know a lot of reasonable people who ride motorcycles. Every single one of them knows exactly how fast their bike goes, and it's generally faster than 120. Riding motorcycles and not being an idiot requires a fair amount of discipline. One thing I like about riding a bike is the wind blowing over me. With a motorcycle by the time you have proper padding and helmet you don't really have that anymore. In this case I think you should consider it a fair compromise for the enormous amount of support you get for your cycling habit.
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Old 07-28-11, 07:53 AM
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I know a lot of reasonable people as well as a lot of unreasonable people that drive cars. Most of them have no idea how fast their car goes, although the answer is usually less than 120 mph. I know a lot of reasonable people who ride motorcycles. Every single one of them knows exactly how fast their bike goes, and it's generally faster than 120. Riding motorcycles and not being an idiot requires a fair amount of discipline. One thing I like about riding a bike is the wind blowing over me. With a motorcycle by the time you have proper padding and helmet you don't really have that anymore. In this case I think you should consider it a fair compromise for the enormous amount of support you get for your cycling habit.
Good point I never thought about it. I'm not a big risk taker (especially now) but I have no idea how fast my cars go, but I do know exactly how fast all of my bikes have gone. Same for all my old friends that I rode with.
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Originally Posted by banerjek View Post
Although my wife is not a cyclist, she has always been tolerant of my habit. Until 3 years ago, any of my bikes was worth more than both of our vehicles put together and she was cool with that. It was actually her idea to move a vehicle out of the garage so half of it could be fully dedicated to bikes.

She's driven support before and is willing to do 24 hr TT as well as Race Across Oregon, and has offered to drive for some pretty mind numbing rides. Yet she's genuinely unhappy with my idea of getting a motorcycle -- she's made it clear that while she trusts me on a bike anytime anywhere, a motorbike is a totally different game.

I see that objectively I have it made, but how do I get my head on my shoulders? The only way the motorbike is acceptable to her is if I ride it at a track. I've taken courses and will take more, but I still want to get a bike and get on the road.

THe real problems with motorcycles are not the riders...
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Old 07-28-11, 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by tuxbailey View Post
OP, I think you are spoiled and want to push the limit
I'm an adrenaline junkie -- but she's used to that. But I'll still have to hang back on this for the foreseeable future.
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Originally Posted by apclassic9 View Post
one of the best conversations I've ever overheard - and am thankful that both my sons heatrd the same conversation - was one between a best friend (also a great chiropractor) and a brain surgeon. It was at a MTB race, and the surgeon - who had interned in Ohio, and was woring in WV, was commenting on helmet laws. "There are gardens with motorcycle accident victims in Ohio, but not in WV", the sugeon said. No helmet law in Ohio (at the time anyway).

My older son has a 750 crotch rocket that he rides to work everyday, but his best friend assures me that, judging from his tire wear, he never gets over 45 mph. When he bought it, I bought him a kevlar-lined jacket.

Cruising down a highway at speed on a motorcycle - no matter how good a rider you might be - leaves you at the whim of the drivers around you, and I applaud the OP's wife for caring about OP's well-being, safety, and life.

OP: stick to the track, or give up an amazing partner - your choice!
Tire wear doesn't really tell how fast the bike goes, just how far it was leaned over: chicken strips.

When you say kevlar-lined jacket I am assuming you are talking about those icon mesh jackets? Personally I would go with a set of good quality leathers with build in armor, boots with good ankle protection and good set of gloves.
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