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Old 08-13-11, 12:55 AM
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Which One? - Motorcycles / Hang Gliders / Bicycles?

*Is this off-topic enough for this forum? I couldn't really find anything more suitable...*


Okay, sorry about the lengthiness of this, but I need to ask someone.... I tried to format it so it was easier on you...



So I've been riding motorcycles for years. Right now I have a CR250 and love it. But the problem is that it's getting very expensive to own, for I am starting on other things and I had to quit my job. Yet still have time for a hobby or two.



Anyway, as much as I love my bike, I think it's time to move on for something more financially friendly until I can own them all.

Here's where you come in. I can either keep my CR250, and DRASTICALLY limit my rides. Or I can sell it and get a hang glider and/or bicycle (depends on which bike).

YOU help me decide!

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*Why keep my CR250?

Well, even though it is expensive, and that I will have to limit my saddle time. I really truly love the sport of motorcycles for many reasons. I love my bike because I've put a lot of love and work into it. And I love how free you can be with a dirt bike where I live. It would also be more convenient to simply "keep" my motorcycle.

*Why get a bicycle?

I've always loved bicycles, I grew up doing summer jobs so I could buy a bicycle at Walmart. Every month I'd get an extra $50 and "return" my Walmart bike to exchange for a nicer one.
I got up to about a $275 bike until I decided to "return" it and spend my money on my first motorcycle.

After a while I started to miss my bike and did some research on real brand-name bicycles. I found out that there are some extraordinary bikes out there. And I happen to live in the mecca (or close to it) of bicycle riding. Road and MTB.

*Why get a hang glider?

After some thought, and realizing that I needed a low-maintenance hobby I started thinking about hang gliding seriously. Yes it may seem a little "fantastic" or dangerous, or maybe even plain old crazy! But after talking to professionals and gurus about it extensively, and finding out that I am also nearly in the mecca of hang gliding paradise, with Ryan Voight, and Point of the mountain very close to me. Plus having been told that it's right up my alley, and that I would be a very "fit" partaker of the sport. I would definitely consider it as a high-possibility.

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Where do I live? I live in the smack-dab middle of UTAH. It's one of the BEST places for recreational sports and activities. And I seem to be one of the adventurous types. I can't do without something like listed above, I NEED it.

Who am I? I'm a post-highschool pre-college student living with my parents. I LOVE doing things with "things" I would say vehicles, but it is not limited to that. Such as riding horses. If you know what I mean...

As I said, I'm limited in money, and can more or less afford for what my motorcycle sells for.



Anyway, if you made it this far you're either bored out of your skull or you really care. I'd appreciate ANY feedback, and hope to make a decision soon.
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Old 08-13-11, 06:21 AM
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What is the start up cost of hang gliding? If you already have a dirt bike I would keep it.
I would look for a used bicycle to ride. But that would be me.
I would like to try hang gliding
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I am going to say get a bike. If it breaks and you crash, you are a foot or so from the ground. With a hang glider, not so much. And if your budget is limited, the words budget and aviation in any form do not mix well.
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Old 08-13-11, 09:09 AM
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If you sell the CR250, you will regret it.
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Old 08-13-11, 09:52 AM
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Old 08-13-11, 10:56 AM
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Speed Flying. This, as well as regular paragliding, is what I want to do next. My wife says fine, but don't expect her to participate!

Speed Flying: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwWLnaME0CI
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Old 08-13-11, 11:14 AM
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There are a few aircraft in my household.
Aviation is not cheap.
A hang glider or ultralight costs as much as a motorcycle. Ultralight engines require maintenance that cost more than motorcycle engines simply because they are hanging on an aircraft frame.
A 30 year old glider will cost as much as a new Jetta, a modern glider costs as much as a Ferrari, and a single engine private plane is in the Maybach range.
The least expensive way to get into the air (other than jumping on a trampoline) is a paraglider. By the time you are done with lessons, etc you are going to be at least in it for $10k. Add $5k+ if you want a motor.
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Old 08-13-11, 11:20 AM
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Option 2: http://www.utahsoaring.org/
Join a soaring club. They will teach you how to fly and you will have access to some really nice ships.
My local club here in Georgia is $800 to join the first year, $400 a year after that, and $40 a tow.
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Originally Posted by 1nterceptor View Post
Mountainbike.
This. Most bang for the buck - can handle any surface (just throw slicks on it for road riding).

Where do you live? This plays a big part IMHO. The only reason I bike as much as I do is because I live up the mountains and in a fairly bike-friendly town.

I don't have much input on motorcycles. Hangliding - nah. It's fun, but hidden costs (transportation, wear and tear, etc) can get you.
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Old 08-13-11, 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by BR46 View Post
What is the start up cost of hang gliding? If you already have a dirt bike I would keep it.
I would look for a used bicycle to ride. But that would be me.
I would like to try hang gliding
A used hang glider can go for anything from $250 - a few thousand. I find a good amount of nice ones for $800. Sometimes plus or minus the harness which goes new for $300.

Although it is not against the law to fly without getting lessons (e.i. like a bicycle), it is recommended that you do for the freedom of the sport, and for your own good.

This is where I've gotten most my info:
http://www.hanggliding.org/wiki/Main_Page
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Old 08-13-11, 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by jsharr View Post
I am going to say get a bike. If it breaks and you crash, you are a foot or so from the ground. With a hang glider, not so much. And if your budget is limited, the words budget and aviation in any form do not mix well.
It is the cheapest aviation sport. But it is "riskier" financially then a bike.
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Old 08-13-11, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by gman26 View Post
If you sell the CR250, you will regret it.
Yes I will.... I'm going to write down the VIN and try to find it later. Probably could too because I'm in a small town haha.
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Old 08-13-11, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by billyymc View Post
Speed Flying. This, as well as regular paragliding, is what I want to do next. My wife says fine, but don't expect her to participate!

Speed Flying: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwWLnaME0CI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwbP9WLX3fY

It sounds sick, but I've never been into skiing for some reason...
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Old 08-13-11, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by AllenG View Post
There are a few aircraft in my household.
Aviation is not cheap.
A hang glider or ultralight costs as much as a motorcycle. Ultralight engines require maintenance that cost more than motorcycle engines simply because they are hanging on an aircraft frame.
A 30 year old glider will cost as much as a new Jetta, a modern glider costs as much as a Ferrari, and a single engine private plane is in the Maybach range.
The least expensive way to get into the air (other than jumping on a trampoline) is a paraglider. By the time you are done with lessons, etc you are going to be at least in it for $10k. Add $5k+ if you want a motor.
I don't want a motor, that's the point of hang gliding. And $300,000 for a glider?!?!? Jeez! I respect them a lot more now. Also must cost a fortune to be towed by another plane every time they go flying.
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Old 08-13-11, 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by palesaint View Post
This. Most bang for the buck - can handle any surface (just throw slicks on it for road riding).

Where do you live? This plays a big part IMHO. The only reason I bike as much as I do is because I live up the mountains and in a fairly bike-friendly town.

I don't have much input on motorcycles. Hangliding - nah. It's fun, but hidden costs (transportation, wear and tear, etc) can get you.
"Where do I live? I live in the smack-dab middle of UTAH. It's one of the BEST places for recreational sports and activities. And I seem to be one of the adventurous types. I can't do without something like listed above, I NEED it.

Who am I? I'm a post-highschool pre-college student living with my parents. I LOVE doing things with "things" I would say vehicles, but it is not limited to that. Such as riding horses. If you know what I mean...

As I said, I'm limited in money, and can more or less afford for what my motorcycle sells for. "


Did you read my thing? Yes my town is VERY anything friendly, would even let me land on my street. And I was leaning towards a road bike.
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Old 08-13-11, 02:56 PM
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What's the depreciation-rate for the CR250? Can you sell it now and buy it back at significantly lower price? If not, keep it.

Hang-gliding is the most expensive of your three options. Decent rig is at least $3-5k used. And they also require a bit of maintenance as well, plan on about $1k per year. And unless you live on top of a hill, you need to count the gas it takes to haul it to your launch pad.

Bicycle is the best deal. If you're mechanically skilled, you can buy cheap Wal-mart type bikes and keep them on life-support continuously for not much money. Better to spend the $250-350 for a decent used bike that'll last longer without much maintenance. Count on $100-200/yr in maintenance, tyres, chains, cleaners & lube. Add $100-200 if you need to use a shop for service.

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Old 08-13-11, 04:09 PM
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What's the depreciation-rate for the CR250? Can you sell it now and buy it back at significantly lower price? If not, keep it.

Hang-gliding is the most expensive of your three options. Decent rig is at least $3-5k used. And they also require a bit of maintenance as well, plan on about $1k per year. And unless you live on top of a hill, you need to count the gas it takes to haul it to your launch pad.

Bicycle is the best deal. If you're mechanically skilled, you can guy cheap Wal-mart type bikes and keep them on life-support continuously for not much money. Better to spend the $250-350 for a decent used bike that'll last longer without much maintenance. Count on $100-200/yr in maintenance, tyres, chains, cleaners & lube. Add $100-200 if you need to use a shop for service.
I don't want to argue but I thought I'd add: I've found a few "very suitable" (according to Ryan Voight) HGs for $800 w/ harness, few years old, may need new wires for $100, but it's good to go.


Anyway, if I were to buy a bike it would be a Trek 1.5-2.1, I've talked about them here before and it would be fine for what I plan on doing.
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Old 08-13-11, 04:49 PM
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Personally, I would be suspicious of a $800 hang glider in need of new cables.
New cables are going to cost more than a bill too, btw.
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Personally, I would be suspicious of a $800 hang glider in need of new cables.
New cables are going to cost more than a bill too, btw.
In a way, I'd be nervous to fly any "used" glider without inspection by a pro.

Luckily, Ryan's shop sells used gliders. And you can bet your bottom dollar that they all have new wires and have been through meticulous inspection.

http://www.wingsoverwasatch.com/hang_gliders.html
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I noticed white water was not on the list.
An omission or are you not into kayaking?
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Old 08-13-11, 06:50 PM
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If you live at the bottom of the hill, you'll have to haul it up there at the beginning of the flight. If you live at the top, you'll have to haul it up there at the end.

I agree with those who say the bicycle is going to be your best bet, monetarily. If you can find one cheap (but not too cheap), and avoid upgradeitis, your continuing costs will be fairly low. If you can manage the wrenching yourself, even more so.

I suppose the CR250 is a pretty close second, since you already own it.
I'm not much of an "upgrader". I've always made the best of what I had.
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Old 08-13-11, 08:23 PM
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How about a scooter? Cheaper than a motorcycle yet the higher end ones are reliable enough to require minimal maintenance.
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Old 08-13-11, 10:34 PM
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How about a scooter? Cheaper than a motorcycle yet the higher end ones are reliable enough to require minimal maintenance.
I've owned and ridden a scooter for 5 years. Great bike, can't do much, but really fun.

Main reason I haven't spent a lot of time thinking about getting another scooter is because there has been for the last year, 1 (one) for sale in my area...
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Old 08-14-11, 05:52 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwbP9WLX3fY

It sounds sick, but I've never been into skiing for some reason...
You live in Utah and you don't ski? Dude. WTF? Just thinking about the incredible mountains you have there makes me want to go wax my skis. That's not a euphemism. Get thee to the alter of Alta and thy sacred Snowbird
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Because skiing is cheap.... I also noticed rock climbing isn't on your list, but since you didn't mention it, I'll assume you're more interested in the things you did bring up.
I don't know anything about hang gliding, but I suspect it will be the most expensive, and the thing you can do least frequently. With a bike or motorcycle you can just hop on for 15,30,60, or 600 minutes. I'm not sure how that works with a hang glider, but they do look like fun.
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