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Old 11-05-11, 11:03 AM
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I've found the difference in cost is actually more useful if you skip some routine maintenance. If you go through the books, both require a timing belt at X miles, an alternator at Y miles, etc per the maintenance schedule. Some things, like the Honda timing belt you really do want to do on time. On the other hand, my experience with domestics is that if the alternator says it is good for X miles, you'd better have it changed out by x+20% or you'll be stranded. With the Honda, the alternator is still doing fine at x+150%. I should add that most of my car repair experience comes from cars that at this point are 1-3 decades old, so the newer ones may be different.
The other thing is part quality. Taking a new car, the domestic is nicer inside for the price. Add 15 years to that though and the domestic is getting old with a cracked dash and the foreign build, while never as nice to begin with, is still in pretty good shape. If you get a new car every 10 or less years, this isn't an issue for you.
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Old 11-05-11, 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by v70cat View Post
I have to say that my Rav 4 has over 50,000 miles on it and it has needed very little maintenance. We now have a cluck in the steering column and my indy says that is a typical problem. The car has also become somewhat less smooth at idle and overall drive quality is not quite the same.
Try cleaning out the idle air controller and check the plugs.
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What the Sam Hill does any of this recent drivel have to do with beautiful cars? Go start a Click and Clack Car Talk page to talk about mpg and reliability and stuff. Just post pics of beautimous cars and stuff in here.
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Old 11-05-11, 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by jsharr View Post
What the Sam Hill does any of this recent drivel have to do with beautiful cars? Go start a Click and Clack Car Talk page to talk about mpg and reliability and stuff. Just post pics of beautimous cars and stuff in here.
Who is Sam Hill?
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Old 11-05-11, 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
What you guys don't seem to get is that there's a significant difference between most Euro and Japanese cars once you get over 100K miles. I'd agree that routine maintenance (timing belts, water pumps, tires) is a factor on any car. However, in my rather extensive car ownership experience Japanese cars like Hondas or Lexus vehicles simply break less than cars like Volvos, BMW's, VWs, etc. once they get up into that territory. Our old Volvo XC-70 wagon ate brake pads like friggin Pez. Our Acura TL? It went through brake pads half as frequently (or less). That Volvo wagon started breaking with 170K miles and required $5,000+ in minor repairs over the last two years of its life. Suspension, exhaust, even a A/C condenser. Japanese cars simply don't tend to do that.

All this J.D. Power surveys of most reliable car? That's white noise, because they're surveying newer cars that are under warranty anyway. Who cares at that point? You start caring when the car has 80K miles and the repair is yours to pay for. And JDP doesn't survey that. Consumer Reports does the most extensive surveys on point by point car reliability, that really tells you more.

I was a Euro car weenie until about 10 years ago, but the Jap cars are just so much better than they used to be, and they stack up to the Euro cars far more competitively than ever before while generally offering better value and better reliability.
The solution is to do a three year lease and say goodbye!!!!!!! Actually, there are copies of every brand that start to hiccup after 100,000 miles. There are too many variables to accurately judge one car against another in this range. My 99 grand
Cherokee started it's slide into diminishing return with 121k, my 04 is still running strong with 168k. I've had 9 Honda's. Only two were problem free. And only one was kept beyond 100k. I've had more BMWs than i can count. Couple real problem children in the count, but also one that went to 170k and i sold it because i got tired of it. It was running fine. Also, a half dozen BMW bikes. One died with 5k and was a buy back. All the others went some amazing distances of very hard miles. The Honda bikes also did well. My 07 Camry had a major transmission issue right off the showroom floor. My last Lexus was problem free, as has been my Merc. Speaking of mercs, the U.S. version, had several Grand Maquis wagons back in the day. All were great cars. I vowed to keep the last one until it died. Unfortunately a BMW killed it, t boning it in a crash. 97,000 miles on it, trouble free. Evereyone walked away with just a few cuts and bruises. Gotta love those big american cars!!!!!
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Originally Posted by jsharr View Post
What the Sam Hill does any of this recent drivel have to do with beautiful cars? Go start a Click and Clack Car Talk page to talk about mpg and reliability and stuff. Just post pics of beautimous cars and stuff in here.
Just use your mod powers to remove all the drivel into a new thread/black-hole/trollheim. Leave only the pictures of beautiful cars eg, the BMW 507, The Citroen DS, the Porsche 911 (air-cooled) almost any Bugatti.
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Old 11-05-11, 08:47 PM
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My Car Drones like this....

Split off from the Beautiful Cars thread.
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Old 11-06-11, 05:56 AM
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Originally Posted by jsharr View Post
What the Sam Hill does any of this recent drivel have to do with beautiful cars? Go start a Click and Clack Car Talk page to talk about mpg and reliability and stuff. Just post pics of beautimous cars and stuff in here.
How 'bout a beautiful WRX and Sam Hill? Crikey!

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Old 11-06-11, 09:42 AM
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Going around in circles. Why doesn't anyone just look at track records for failure and maintenance/cost/resale value issues?
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Old 11-06-11, 12:45 PM
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Japanese cars have the best cup holders.

There are eight cup and water holders in my truck. It's a little excessive.
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