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Old 11-15-11, 11:39 AM
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What can go wrong?

There's two men on the roof of our rental, shoving a long cable down a vent in our ceiling. The toilet hasn't been flushable for days, nor have I been able to use our shower. Yesterday I went in to work early to use the gym shower.

At this point, what can go wrong? Do you think I'll be able to drain water into the sewer again by the end of the day?
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Old 11-15-11, 12:00 PM
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What can go wrong?
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Old 11-15-11, 12:12 PM
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I think the workers should be checking out
the pipes going to the main sewers, usually
located leading towards the street. Unless
this house has a septic tank, then they
should be checking that not the vent pipe
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Old 11-15-11, 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by 1nterceptor View Post
I think the workers should be checking out
the pipes going to the main sewers, usually
located leading towards the street. Unless
this house has a septic tank, then they
should be checking that not the vent pipe
Sewer leads to alley and no clean outs in the main sewer line. They were going to pull the toilet and go that way, but they were worried about breaking the lead piping that the toilet drains into. So their option was to go through the roof.

Now the issue is they got stuck. Looks like the clay pipe in the back yard collapsed, and you can see where the concrete heaved and settled. I think they're about to start an excavation project.

I'm glad I don't own this place.
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Old 11-15-11, 01:11 PM
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Old 11-15-11, 02:44 PM
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Old 11-15-11, 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by mikeybikes View Post
Sewer leads to alley and no clean outs in the main sewer line. They were going to pull the toilet and go that way, but they were worried about breaking the lead piping that the toilet drains into. So their option was to go through the roof.

Now the issue is they got stuck. Looks like the clay pipe in the back yard collapsed, and you can see where the concrete heaved and settled. I think they're about to start an excavation project.

I'm glad I don't own this place.
Our house was built with the same crappy design, no cleanout going to the street. One of the best things I did was have one put in. It has paid for itself many times over. Turns out there is also a bot of a lip or somethgin where the pipes meet only 10-15 feet downstream from the cleanout. Things can be kicked out with a garden hose, instead of a hundred dollar plus call for a plumber to go in through the roof vent. House also had everythign (except perhaps one hose bib) after the same valve. So any outside break meant having to shut off water to the house too. Also got that changed. Seperate shutoff valves for inside and outside.
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Originally Posted by mikeybikes View Post
Do you think I'll be able to drain water into the sewer again by the end of the day?
Hahahahahah.
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Old 11-15-11, 04:32 PM
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I wish I can help you here but sorry to say, that is not my area of expertise.
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Old 11-15-11, 04:51 PM
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Hmmm...


I see a backhoe in your future. Maybe a jackhammer also.
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I wonder if Sonata flips his extra switch, if your drains will start flowing again?
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Old 11-15-11, 05:10 PM
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So there's been like a good 5 different plumbers that have come out to get estimates. Still no flushable toilet. Someone will have to come out tomorrow morning to fix it
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Old 11-15-11, 06:12 PM
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A shovel, piece of SDR 35 PVC, and a couple of clay to PVC ferncos, good to go. OK maybe a B'hoe if it's deep. Or reline it
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Old 11-15-11, 06:23 PM
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Cleaning the main line or branch lines is common from roof terminations (vent pipes). They ALL lead to the main line or branch lines and the plumber on your roof knows exactly which one of many vent terminations he needs to make the cable go where it is needed.

If a clean out is available and in a known location, this is the easiest way to clean a blockage beyond this point. But what if the blockage is between the toilet and this clean out? Where would YOU make entry? One way is to pull toilet and the other way is from the vent on roof if it is not re-vented into another stack somewhere.

Before you poke fun at a couple of dumbazz plumbers on your roof, chances are they know tons more than you ever will about this. Lugging all that equipment up to a roof from an extension ladder is not easy. Do you think they would WANT to go through all that crap when an easier solution can be made?

And something else. Plumbers are the second highest paid tradesmen around. Chances are they make more than you.
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Old 11-15-11, 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by wfin2004 View Post
Before you poke fun at a couple of dumbazz plumbers on your roof, chances are they know tons more than you ever will about this. Lugging all that equipment up to a roof from an extension ladder is not easy. Do you think they would WANT to go through all that crap when an easier solution can be made?

And something else. Plumbers are the second highest paid tradesmen around. Chances are they make more than you.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not poking fun at them. They were a couple of professionals who knew what they were doing. I'm glad it is them and not me.

I'm annoyed at the situation and glad it isn't my house.

My mom had to recently have the main line replaced in her house. Cost a pretty penny. Was the same as this one. An old ceramic line that had collapsed.
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We had very similar problems with our first house. The plumbing stopped up so we called the plumber. They couldn't find a cleanout, and they couldn't find the line in the front yard by probing, so they hauled the machine up on the roof and ran the snake down through a vent. Our pipes from the house to the city sewer were clay tile so once the snake passed through the house and into the pipe we cuold hear it under the ground. Once we knew where the pipe was they dug it up near the house and discovered that a previous plumber had dug at the same location. The strategy back then was to knock a hole in the top of the clay pipe with a hammer, run your snake into the hole, and then when finished they would curve a piece of metal flashing over the hole and put the dirt back. Unfortunately roots would find this opening and grow into the pipe.

Several years later I dug up the pipe from the house out to the middle of the yard and replaced it with plastic, along with a vertical cleanout. There was always a problem where the clay pipe went under the sidewalk so I eventually dug up that part and replaced it also. Up until that time I would have to rent the drain snake machine myself every year or two and run through the lines.

My current house was built 10 or 20 years later. It has exterior cleanouts but might have been built with plastic pipe also because we have not had any problems with our drains.
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