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Sending a certified letter

So I had to send a certified letter today. Pretty sure the recipient is not going to like the contents. Any guesses on the likelihood it's refused by the recipient? How much effort do postal workers put into getting it delivered? It's going to the home of someone who is there almost all the time. Do they ring the bell once and then go away? Leave a note telling them they have a certified letter at the post office? Bring it by a couple days in a row? I had an online company send it for me (you upload the pdf, they print it, address it, put it in an envelope, and take it to the post office or whatever) so that it's not obvious that it's from me, and if it is refused, I'll at least know about it. Will probably try sending it first class mail as well just to see if that gets refused too, though I might wait on that until the first is acted on.
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they will enter the home and kill the recipient if they dont answer the door and then they will take a dump on the liveing room floor
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Don't need anything that fierce in attempts to deliver the letter, just want to make sure it gets there. Thanks though.

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The post office should notify you if the letter was refused. That is your record that you tried to contact the recipient. I don't know that they would try to deliver the same letter multiple times if it was initially refused.
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If sending certified, I always send one copy certified and one copy not certified.
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"Pretty sure the recipient is not going to like the contents" poop?
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The post office should notify you if the letter was refused. That is your record that you tried to contact the recipient. I don't know that they would try to deliver the same letter multiple times if it was initially refused.
Oh, if it's refused, I don't expect them to try again, but more if the recipient doesn't feel like coming down to answer the doorbell (which sometimes they don't as they're generally disagreeable and also because it involves traversing a flight of stairs that can be a challenge.
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"Pretty sure the recipient is not going to like the contents" poop?
No just unpleasant dealings with a former landlord regarding deposits (and associated interest) not returned. Things haven't gone legal yet, but receipt of the letter starts a 30 day clock at the end of which court filings may be made if necessary, so I just want to be confident the recipient will get it as soon as possible.
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If sending certified, I always send one copy certified and one copy not certified.
Yeah I was thinking about doing that, but didn't want the not certified to arrive first and then cause them to refuse the certified. Might stagger the sending by a day or two to avoid that. I would expect a nasty phone call as a result of receiving either letter and would use that as proof of receipt if possible, but want to make sure to do everything by the book in case things have to go further.
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Abscounding with the security deposit is the American way now.

A "smack" for you for paying the last months rent .
You did give the landlord proper notice of moving well in advance?

On these small civil squabbles the one with the bigger checkbook wins
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What a strange posting history of tennants vs landlords we have in Foo.
They either have wild sex with the landlord or hate the persons guts.

Is their any middle ground here?
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What a strange posting history of tennants vs landlords we have in Foo.
They either have wild sex with the landlord or hate the persons guts.


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Is their any middle ground here?
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Abscounding with the security deposit is the American way now.

A "smack" for you for paying the last months rent .
You did give the landlord proper notice of moving well in advance?

On these small civil squabbles the one with the bigger checkbook wins
Fortunately, I live in a state where a large portion of the economy comes from a pair of cities where much of the workforce is temporary. That led 30-40 years ago to the state changing the laws to be very tenant friendly with hefty fines for non-compliance on the part of the landlord (with apparently low level of proof needed to side with the tenant). And, given that I was required to pay first month's, last month's, and security deposit (equivalent to another full month's rent) when I signed the lease, that's the only way I'd live here. When you pay something like $3/square foot in rent each month, it adds up quickly, especially when you have to give 3 times that before moving in. And I'm anxious to get back what I'm owed, as I'm about to go house hunting (moving to a new state in 4 months and will need a place to live) so I'd like to add that money back into the pot that's going toward down payment; where we're moving, mortgage, property tax, and home owner's insurance combined on what I consider to be quite nice houses are less than I currently pay in rent, but the more I'm able to put down, the smaller the overall mortgage will be and the faster I can pay it off (or get to the 20% needed to not have to do mortgage insurance).

And yes, we gave notice well in advance of the 30 days required by our lease. 3 months out, we were negotiating to extend our lease by 6 months (and paying the landlord a premium for the privilege). At ~2 months out, the landlord suddenly decided that wasn't going to work so we'd have to leave.
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they will enter the home and kill the recipient if they dont answer the door and then they will take a dump on the liveing room floor
Are you my mail person? You sure sound like him.

I liked the prior one better. He told me he likes reading my magazines.
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Fortunately, I live in a state where a large portion of the economy comes from a pair of cities where much of the workforce is temporary. That led 30-40 years ago to the state changing the laws to be very tenant friendly with hefty fines for non-compliance on the part of the landlord (with apparently low level of proof needed to side with the tenant). And, given that I was required to pay first month's, last month's, and security deposit (equivalent to another full month's rent) when I signed the lease, that's the only way I'd live here. When you pay something like $3/square foot in rent each month, it adds up quickly, especially when you have to give 3 times that before moving in. And I'm anxious to get back what I'm owed, as I'm about to go house hunting (moving to a new state in 4 months and will need a place to live) so I'd like to add that money back into the pot that's going toward down payment; where we're moving, mortgage, property tax, and home owner's insurance combined on what I consider to be quite nice houses are less than I currently pay in rent, but the more I'm able to put down, the smaller the overall mortgage will be and the faster I can pay it off (or get to the 20% needed to not have to do mortgage insurance).

And yes, we gave notice well in advance of the 30 days required by our lease. 3 months out, we were negotiating to extend our lease by 6 months (and paying the landlord a premium for the privilege). At ~2 months out, the landlord suddenly decided that wasn't going to work so we'd have to leave.
Sounds like renting there is expensive/sucks but I do love "Chowdah".
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Are you my mail person? You sure sound like him.

I liked the prior one better. He told me he likes reading my magazines.
Were the pages stuck together on the last Playboy?
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What a strange posting history of tennants vs landlords we have in Foo.
They either have wild sex with the landlord or hate the persons guts.

Is their any middle ground here?
I'm sure there is, but if you are having a happy but completely normal and nonconfrontational relationship with your landlord, you're not likely to post about it. If on the other hand, your landlord screams out her window at kids in the park across the street for being too loud as they prepare for their Pop Warner games and calls the cops on them, or calls the cops on city music festivals for being too loud, or routinely screams at people in the road for parking not perfectly squarely against the road, or you for not mowing or raking the lawn when she said she'd pay for someone to do it when you signed the lease and hasn't said anything before now and doesn't have a working lawn mower to use, or demands that you switch bedrooms with your infant because she doesn't want to be awoken by baby noises and then refuses to fix a cracked window in the baby's room, or demands you pay for heating oil left in the tank by the last tenants when you move in and then refuses to reimburse you for what you leave when you move out, or calls your spouse at her place of work to scream at her about how the mess you left in moving out (mainly a few dust bunnies) means she can't show the apartment even though you still have 3 weeks left on the lease and will clean it and leave it looking nicer than it was when you arrived by the time the lease expires, and refuses to fix the holes where the window casement is rotting away from the surrounding walls leaving small openings to the outside (which was hidden pre-lease signing), or fails to provide the legally mandated carbon monoxide detector, or after telling you that lead abatement has been performed, fails to provide a form attesting to the fact as required by law and says well just don't have your child chew on the windowsills, or, or, or...

Well, that kind of landlord gets spoken about a lot because that kind of landlord is on one's mind a lot.
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Were the pages stuck together on the last Playboy?
On a totally unrelated note, when I was in college, my roommate one year had a subscription to Playboy. At the end of the first semester, he flunked out (don't remember the exact term, but they basically told him he needed to take some time off before coming back. I arranged to have the rest of his mail forwarded home, but didn't do anything to stop the Playboy that kept coming to him in the mail because I figured that him getting a Playboy sent to his house after he'd gotten kicked out was the last thing his mom needed to see. He never asked me about it, so I just figured at home right then, he didn't need that aggravation. Now, these many years later, do I still owe him a subscription to Playboy, or is this sort of like when you have a friend whose job upon your death is to go to your house and destroy all your porn so your family doesn't find it and should I consider us good?
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I'm sure there is, but if you are having a happy but completely normal and nonconfrontational relationship with your landlord, you're not likely to post about it. If on the other hand, your landlord screams out her window at kids in the park across the street for being too loud as they prepare for their Pop Warner games and calls the cops on them, or calls the cops on city music festivals for being too loud, or routinely screams at people in the road for parking not perfectly squarely against the road, or you for not mowing or raking the lawn when she said she'd pay for someone to do it when you signed the lease and hasn't said anything before now and doesn't have a working lawn mower to use, or demands that you switch bedrooms with your infant because she doesn't want to be awoken by baby noises and then refuses to fix a cracked window in the baby's room, or demands you pay for heating oil left in the tank by the last tenants when you move in and then refuses to reimburse you for what you leave when you move out, or calls your spouse at her place of work to scream at her about how the mess you left in moving out (mainly a few dust bunnies) means she can't show the apartment even though you still have 3 weeks left on the lease and will clean it and leave it looking nicer than it was when you arrived by the time the lease expires, and refuses to fix the holes where the window casement is rotting away from the surrounding walls leaving small openings to the outside (which was hidden pre-lease signing), or fails to provide the legally mandated carbon monoxide detector, or after telling you that lead abatement has been performed, fails to provide a form attesting to the fact as required by law and says well just don't have your child chew on the windowsills, or, or, or...

Well, that kind of landlord gets spoken about a lot because that kind of landlord is on one's mind a lot.
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On a totally unrelated note, when I was in college, my roommate one year had a subscription to Playboy. At the end of the first semester, he flunked out (don't remember the exact term, but they basically told him he needed to take some time off before coming back. I arranged to have the rest of his mail forwarded home, but didn't do anything to stop the Playboy that kept coming to him in the mail because I figured that him getting a Playboy sent to his house after he'd gotten kicked out was the last thing his mom needed to see. He never asked me about it, so I just figured at home right then, he didn't need that aggravation. Now, these many years later, do I still owe him a subscription to Playboy, or is this sort of like when you have a friend whose job upon your death is to go to your house and destroy all your porn so your family doesn't find it and should I consider us good?
As long as you did not abuse the centerfolds you should return the old copies to him
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As long as you did not abuse the centerfolds you should return the old copies to him
I don't still have them, that was many many years ago. And, while the magazines were probably still in very good condition when they consigned to the trash, I'm not going to comment on whether anyone was abused in their presence prior to that.
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If your mailmen are anything like the psycho that delivers mail to our condo, they may not do much of anything to deliver your certified letter.
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If on the other hand, your landlord screams out her window at kids in the park across the street for being too loud as they prepare for their Pop Warner games and calls the cops on them, or calls the cops on city music festivals for being too loud....
My girlfriend has to deal with those calls at work, some of those people are truly deranged.
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Post office delivers notice. Recipient is to go to post office and pick up. If not - another notice is delivered to recipient (there is a date on those notices btw as to when the certified letter will be sent back to sender).

I'm not sure if it's two or three times that the post office will notify recipients of the fact they have to go to the post office to pick it up. I've ignored a couple of them myself (dam you IRS!!) but it's 2-3 times the post office notifies.
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